Then perhaps we should have 2 forums on this board.
One for the musicians, and another one for the fans.
Mr.Jingles
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The Real Wizard
"Jingles - you have no right to an opinion because you are not a musician. LOL"
Ahh, it's about time you turned up. Like usual, you're taking things out of context and failing miserably at being a comedian. Maybe there should be a special forum for those who think they're funny.
When it comes to critiquing the level of a band's musical performance, naturally musicians have a better idea. If someone isn't a musician, then how would they know when someone hit a wrong chord, and why would they care if Brian forgot to do his solos in One Vision and Hammer To Fall at Wembley? From their perspective, it's still the same song, and it sounds fine. Did I complain about their perspective? Never. Did Fenderek? Absolutely not.
Ahh, it's about time you turned up. Like usual, you're taking things out of context and failing miserably at being a comedian. Maybe there should be a special forum for those who think they're funny.
When it comes to critiquing the level of a band's musical performance, naturally musicians have a better idea. If someone isn't a musician, then how would they know when someone hit a wrong chord, and why would they care if Brian forgot to do his solos in One Vision and Hammer To Fall at Wembley? From their perspective, it's still the same song, and it sounds fine. Did I complain about their perspective? Never. Did Fenderek? Absolutely not.
Saint Jiub
"unless people have heard other complete concerts from the tour, then they really can't put in their two cents"
Daburcor?
I thought Freddie was AWESOME that night! :D
The Real Wizard
"unless people have heard other complete concerts from the tour, then they really can't put in their two cents"
That was said in reference to comparing one performance to another... if you've only heard one concert, I'd say that's rather logical.
How can one person cut another to shreds for comparing concerts if they've only heard 3 or 4 officially-released ones themselves?
Bah, I've had enough of this topic. Wembley is a great show, but far from their best overall. Great atmosphere, great crowd, mediocre performance compared to most others. For the last time, good quality does not mean good performance. Period.
That was said in reference to comparing one performance to another... if you've only heard one concert, I'd say that's rather logical.
How can one person cut another to shreds for comparing concerts if they've only heard 3 or 4 officially-released ones themselves?
Bah, I've had enough of this topic. Wembley is a great show, but far from their best overall. Great atmosphere, great crowd, mediocre performance compared to most others. For the last time, good quality does not mean good performance. Period.
Togg
Guitar hero your posts are most amusing do keep em coming
Freddie-B
You can't say a gig is over-rated, because it's judging people's opinions. On one hand, 72,000 fans (and countless since) who think it's good can't be wrong, but if you don't think it's any good then they are.
Why do you under-rate the gig so much?
Why do you under-rate the gig so much?
The Real Wizard
"Guitar hero your posts are most amusing do keep em coming"
I will, just for you. Since you justify your complaints about my posts so very well (and with such wonderful grammar), some day I may actually mistake you for someone who's intelligent.
"You can't say a gig is over-rated, because it's judging people's opinions. On one hand, 72,000 fans (and countless since) who think it's good can't be wrong, but if you don't think it's any good then they are.
Why do you under-rate the gig so much?"
I'll answer this too. The people who were at the show obviously enjoyed themselves, and of course I would have too. The lights, the stage, the setlist... it would have been amazing, and I'm sure I would have walked away feeling complete satisfaction. At the time, unless you had seen other shows on the tour, you couldn't compare them to others.
I can't believe people are so blind and are not understanding that in this topic, the concert is being rated in comparion to others from the tour. Nobody is saying it was a terrible concert! Why can't anyone just entertain the fact that maybe Queen didn't put on a perfect show every single time?
And most certainly, 72,000 people and countless others can be wrong. Just look at how many albums the Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears have sold. The crowd isn't always right. In fact, the crowd is usually the one that's wrong, because they mindlessly follow the others. We can bring politics and religion into the discussion if you'd like. :)
I will, just for you. Since you justify your complaints about my posts so very well (and with such wonderful grammar), some day I may actually mistake you for someone who's intelligent.
"You can't say a gig is over-rated, because it's judging people's opinions. On one hand, 72,000 fans (and countless since) who think it's good can't be wrong, but if you don't think it's any good then they are.
Why do you under-rate the gig so much?"
I'll answer this too. The people who were at the show obviously enjoyed themselves, and of course I would have too. The lights, the stage, the setlist... it would have been amazing, and I'm sure I would have walked away feeling complete satisfaction. At the time, unless you had seen other shows on the tour, you couldn't compare them to others.
I can't believe people are so blind and are not understanding that in this topic, the concert is being rated in comparion to others from the tour. Nobody is saying it was a terrible concert! Why can't anyone just entertain the fact that maybe Queen didn't put on a perfect show every single time?
And most certainly, 72,000 people and countless others can be wrong. Just look at how many albums the Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears have sold. The crowd isn't always right. In fact, the crowd is usually the one that's wrong, because they mindlessly follow the others. We can bring politics and religion into the discussion if you'd like. :)
Mr.Jingles
<< The crowd isn't always right. In fact, the crowd is usually the one that's wrong, because they mindlessly follow the others. >>
Yes, and since you happen to be a musician are you supossed to tell us what is right?
Most people here have admitted that when it comes to the performance, Wembley wasn't exactly the best of the whole tour, but yet still there's no reason why to diminish the performance just because Freddie's voice wasn't at it's best possibly shape, or because Brian broke a string.
Accidents happen, and that has nothing to be with the ability of Queen to deliver a great performance.
Perhaps if one day you have the chance to perform in a venue like Wembley stadium, then perhaps we'll listen to you... until then, NO.
FairyQueen
Queen.. concert overrated?....wow...never heard those words in the same sentence before....better than being underrated
Fenderek
<< but yet still there's no reason why to diminish the performance just because Freddie's voice wasn't at it's best possibly shape, or because Brian broke a chord.>>
AND WHO'S DOING THAT, JINGLES...?
Can you read...?
That's exactly what my point was- COMPARE the PERFORMANCE on Wembley to others...
Somehow (because of publicity, I suppose) this gig is becoming/ became almost a trademark Queen show- ultimate Queen gig.... And so often I hear that Queen was a live band- WHY THEN its trademark is an avarage gig...? Ii'm not talking about lights or stage- just musically; I know those are also the part of the show, but not the most important ones- so many bands have attractive stage show and musically- crap... If Queen is considered as a live band even by Brian and Roger themselves, why is so little of EXCELLENT stuff avaliable to public...? (DVD, CD- whatever). It's not about- this gig was bad... it's about- this is not the Queen's best show... This is not even one of the Queen's best shows- TECHNICALLY, MUSICALLY speaking...- of course IMO, but- can't have one, can I...?
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Virtuoso
"And most certainly, 72,000 people and countless others can be wrong. Just look at how many albums the Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears have sold. The crowd isn't always right. In fact, the crowd is usually the one that's wrong, because they mindlessly follow the others. We can bring politics and religion into the discussion if you'd like. :)"I agree with almost everything,except the fact that 72,000 attentances was alot at the time...well that's all,it's actualy very hard to differ agains you Bob.
SlightlyQueenMad
Earls Court ´77 happens to be my favorite. But Wembley is absolutly somewhere at the top, even though i'm more into 70's. It's a great concert!
Mr.Jingles
You are the one who has missed the whole point of this, Fenderek, because nobody but you has called Wembley "Overated".
There are other things you could have called the Wembley show, such as "over-commercialized" or "over-promoted", but "overated" just doesn't fit quite well.
The fact is that because of the circumstances surrounding the Wembley show, such as Queen being the pinnacle of their career, then there's this whole huge hype created surrounding their following massive tour.
Due to all the investment on the aspects of production of a concert (such as Wembley) that will later be released on video, it'd be a loss to do such a thing on every single concert of the tour because they can't just release every single concert from the tour on video.
A decision had to be made about what concert should be filmed, without knowing for sure how good will Freddie's voice sound during the gig. London of course was chosen because of many reasons... it's the place where Queen was formed, and Wembley Stadium used to be a legendary venue where most rock bands dream of selling out. So then it was decided by PMI and Queen Productions that the Wembley show should have been captured of film, not only to be aired on TV but also for a later video release. So that's why it has been the most promoted concert to be released on video, even though it wasn't necessarily the very best in terms of performance. Yet still it was good enough to be released on video. If the performance wasn't good enough, people wouldn't buy it as much as they do.
Budapest was in terms of performance probably better than Wembley, yet still it hasn't been as commercialized because the audio and video quality wasn't as good as the Wembley show. I'm sure Budapest has been considered to be released and perhaps it will, but they can't release just one video after the other because production companies don't want their releases to compete against each other.
There are other things you could have called the Wembley show, such as "over-commercialized" or "over-promoted", but "overated" just doesn't fit quite well.
The fact is that because of the circumstances surrounding the Wembley show, such as Queen being the pinnacle of their career, then there's this whole huge hype created surrounding their following massive tour.
Due to all the investment on the aspects of production of a concert (such as Wembley) that will later be released on video, it'd be a loss to do such a thing on every single concert of the tour because they can't just release every single concert from the tour on video.
A decision had to be made about what concert should be filmed, without knowing for sure how good will Freddie's voice sound during the gig. London of course was chosen because of many reasons... it's the place where Queen was formed, and Wembley Stadium used to be a legendary venue where most rock bands dream of selling out. So then it was decided by PMI and Queen Productions that the Wembley show should have been captured of film, not only to be aired on TV but also for a later video release. So that's why it has been the most promoted concert to be released on video, even though it wasn't necessarily the very best in terms of performance. Yet still it was good enough to be released on video. If the performance wasn't good enough, people wouldn't buy it as much as they do.
Budapest was in terms of performance probably better than Wembley, yet still it hasn't been as commercialized because the audio and video quality wasn't as good as the Wembley show. I'm sure Budapest has been considered to be released and perhaps it will, but they can't release just one video after the other because production companies don't want their releases to compete against each other.
The Real Wizard
"it's actualy very hard to differ agains you Bob."
I'm sorry you feel that way. I like a good discussion. What I don't like is when in a discussion, people throw in uneducated opinions, and argue using those, again and again. I really don't need to mention any names.
I'm sorry you feel that way. I like a good discussion. What I don't like is when in a discussion, people throw in uneducated opinions, and argue using those, again and again. I really don't need to mention any names.