WHY IS WEMBLEY GIG SO OVERRATED...?

I adore Live At Wembley. And now that I know that the old stadium is gone and a new, bigger one is being built in its place, it makes one glad that Queen were able to play there and draw so many people to see them! I hope Brian and Roger will play at the new one...it wouldn't exactly be history repeating itself, but close enough!

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At the risk of repeating myself Guitar Hero, as you still seem to miss the point!

All I have said is that is your opinion, NOT FACT, just your opinion which you are intitled to, just don't keep telling everyone your opinion is fact period, to quote your beloved phrase.

And why qualify every thing you post with 'speaking as a musicain' so am I and have been for over twenty years, but that doesn't make my opinion any more important than anyone elses, these are opinions.

Oh and before you shout again 'why can't we be critical' well you can, that NOT THE POINT, one more time so you really understand, it's your opinion

Get it this time!

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Two things to consider here, 1) The Milton Keynes show did have a major problem when Brian's guitar lead came unstuck, not that that is too difficult to over-come but maybe Brian is not that happy with the show, and 2) the Wembley show contains more hits and arguably is Queen at their height of popularity so therefore it has to be the one to release.

Also with the edit already done pretty much and it being a British group at the foremost UK location (cough) then is becomes a no-brainer from a business point of view.

"And why qualify every thing you post with 'speaking as a musicain' so am I and have been for over twenty years, but that doesn't make my opinion any more important than anyone elses"

When it comes to speaking about the technical aspect of music, it most certainly should! If the conversation was about law, and you were a qualified lawyer, I'd trust your opinion over a plumber's!

"All I have said is that is your opinion, NOT FACT, just your opinion which you are intitled to, just don't keep telling everyone your opinion is fact period, to quote your beloved phrase."

The fact that Brian missed many guitar parts is not an opinion. It is a fact. Watch the DVD, and watch Brian forget to do the solo in Hammer To Fall. It's also a fact that Freddie's voice wasn't in the best shape compared to other shows, not my opinion. Freddie could barely sustain an Ab at Wembley, but had no problems with a Bb in Budapest or almost any other Magic tour show. Those things are NOT opinions. I'm not talking about Freddie's showmanship here. In fact, he was probably better in that aspect than at a regular show, because he knew he was being filmed.

Now, it *is* my opinion that the overall atmosphere of the show was amazing, making this a very triumphant concert for Queen. I'm sure most people here will agree with me there.

But AGAIN, and for the LAST TIME, this topic was about the musical issues of the concert, which are not opinion-related. If you're not affected by musical mistakes in concerts, that's fine; this topic does not concern you then. This topic was aimed at people who do care about such differences from night to night. God, why the hell am I justifying myself? It's either you understand that musical technicality is NOT based on opinion, or you do not understand it.

Speaking purely as a fan! The problem with Queen live recordings is that they don't seem to capture the atmospere very well. Maybe its just me but they don't come anywhere near to being there!

I'm actually wondering now... How will the new release (Milton Keynes) change ppl views on this subject... Especially those, who didn't hear much more than Wembley/Rio/Montreal stuff... And even those who heard plenty of boots- the sound on "On fire" is going to be as good as on Wembley, I'm sure... With a better performance... Well- just curious if it's going to open some eyes on the fact that Queen played many, many amazing gigs, much better than those mentioned above... Just wandering- how many ppl after seeing MK will still reamin on the position that "Wembley was the best"...

The thing is that Wembley is very much a show for ... how to say... &quot;average fans&quot; (no offence). I mean, if you want the hits, you have them there (Pressure, Magic, Another One Bites, Bo Rhap, Break Fre...). If you want some no-hits, you have them (Is This The World, Tear It Up)

If you want oldies you have some (Seven Seas, Lap Revisited, Now I`m Here), if you want covers you have some, if you want Fred at the piano you have Bo Rhap, if you want him at the guitar you have Crazy, if you want Brian playing the Red you have lots, if you want him on a Tele you have Crazy, if you want him on acoustic you have Love Of My Life, Is This The World, etc. If you want him on keyboard you have WWTLF.

So it does have a lot. Plus guitar solo, blues impromptu, that day-oh thing with the audience...

I personally prefer 70s concerts, like Hammersmith. They`re great shows (with tambourine throwing, pyrotecnic fires, John playing triangle, Brian playing ukelele, great use of lights), and they`re much more musical.

I think the wembley video is great, I dont see what's wrong with it.

It lasted way too long before it finally complete (is it??) is released and that is the thing I blame Queenproductions for

The qualitiy is good, I have seen Queen sometimes alive, and I realy love what I see in this dvd

I do care about good quality, but I do not hear the difference between excellent and very good, I think

For me there are more important things that the quality of the sound, like the performance, climate of the show and the interaction between public and performers

It is an awesome show

I never compared live shows with the albums, because the albums tend to perfectionism and on stage the band was simply a damn good rock band with a fantastic show, that developed through the years

It is normal as well that through successfull years the shows change to &quot;greatest hits&quot; shows and the more unknown works are slightly disappearing from stage
You cant expect that million sellers are not sang in favor of the favorite non hits of &quot;experts&quot; like queen fans are (no matter if they are musicians or, like me, just loving music)

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH wrote: [/QUOTENAME] Also, Brian was missing guitar cues all over the place. [/QUOTE]

Really? Wow...I must have a bad music ear...I didn't notice any abnormalities. Then again, I expect a live version to sound different.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The thing is that Wembley is very much a show for ... how to say... &quot;average fans&quot; (no offence). I mean, if you want the hits, you have them there (Pressure, Magic, Another One Bites, Bo Rhap, Break Fre...). If you want some no-hits, you have them (Is This The World, Tear It Up)

If you want oldies you have some (Seven Seas, Lap Revisited, Now I`m Here), if you want covers you have some, if you want Fred at the piano you have Bo Rhap, if you want him at the guitar you have Crazy, if you want Brian playing the Red you have lots, if you want him on a Tele you have Crazy, if you want him on acoustic you have Love Of My Life, Is This The World, etc. If you want him on keyboard you have WWTLF.

So it does have a lot. Plus guitar solo, blues impromptu, that day-oh thing with the audience...

I personally prefer 70s concerts, like Hammersmith. They`re great shows (with tambourine throwing, pyrotecnic fires, John playing triangle, Brian playing ukelele, great use of lights), and they`re much more musical.[/QUOTE]

Very good point. I too prefer the earlier concerts (Hammersmith and Earl's Court especially) because there was less show and more of just their music and Freddie cavorting around stage.

&quot;The thing is that Wembley is very much a show for ... how to say... &quot;average fans&quot; &quot;

It is a great show, and I love my DVD, but it is the Greatest Hits concert, as Sebastian alludes to.

I'm looking forward to MK because of the deviation in the normal setlist. I'm not sure how this will sell to the masses, however, and I hope this doesn't deter any future Queen DVDs that might come from a non-Magic Tour show.

" I'm not sure how this will sell to the masses, however, and I hope this doesn't deter any future Queen DVDs that might come from a non-Magic Tour show."

I have to say that's something I'm worried about... On one hand- it's an awesome gig, one of the best captured on the film... On the other- will it sell, not having all those "Ga-Ga's" and "Break Frees"...? And what if it won't sell...? Brian and Roger were saying sth about Hammersmith show (was it 75 or 79 they were mentioning?)... Seems like they want to release this stuff, but... What if Milton Keynes flops...? Will Wembley remain as the trademark Queen show for non-die hards...?

Milton Keynes still has enough hits for a million seller - AOBTD, CLTCL, UP, both sport anthems, Play The Game. Moreover it has that legendary (amongst fans) version of Somebody To Love, which hopefully will overtake the legendary (to the world) George Michael one. It`s still a risk (with the Hot Space tracks) but I expect it to pay off well.

Hammersmith `75 (which is the one they were talking about, I guess, since I seem to remember Brian saying something about not having enough Kampuchea stuff or something like that) would be a great choice and a good seller for prog fans (or fans of the slightly prog Queen). They should try it, if they see that they can also sell with more musical and less pop DVDs, maybe they`d consider more 70s concerts for the future, like a complete Rainbow or a good quality Jazz tour gig (if there`s any, I don`t know about that anyway)

And, since I haven`t said anything about Wembley (in the case that even one of the posters is even slightly interested in my opinion, otherwise still I don`t lose anything writing it):

Some time ago my brother and I put all the songs of Wembley and Budapest in a vs, just musical aspects. I don`t remember which night won:) but, I, personally, prefer Wembley. Musically I think Budapest was slightly better (except for the voice in `Who Wants To Live Forever`), but show-wise Wembley was better

And you all know I`m more into musical aspects than entertaining aspects, but in the case of Magic Tour shows, they were made more for big shows, with a frontman, with audience participation, with John`s funny looks, Brian`s hero pose during solos, Fred`s &quot;I`m the best&quot; face playing the left hand fast piano scale in Bo Rhap, etc. Those shows are more focused on that, than in &quot;the chord is Adim and not Adim7&quot; problems. And, based on that, I think Wembley developed better that idea.