"Bierhoff was great in 96, one of the best players europe."
Ah, Sonja, that hurts, don't ever remind that again :-)
If it wasn't for Bierhoff, our team would have been European champions in 1996...
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After watching the game between England Vs. France all I have to say is that France didn't win... Zidane did.
France is becoming sometimes extremely dependant on Zidane as much Argentina was with Maradona back in 80s and early 90s.
France is becoming sometimes extremely dependant on Zidane as much Argentina was with Maradona back in 80s and early 90s.
"After watching the game between England Vs. France all I have to say is that France didn't win... Zidane did.
France is becoming sometimes extremely dependant on Zidane as much Argentina was with Maradona back in 80s and early 90s."
I disagree... The next game may be Henry's one or Pires's... Or Vieira's... They have plenty of stars in their team... They didn't deliver during a game with England but they may later on... In the first half Trezeguet was so close!!! If it went 1:0 then, the game would look tatally different... True, it didn't, but it may next time...
And how not to depend on a player like Zidane, anyway! It would be sin to have a genius like that and not to use his dedication, his skills and his... pure genius! You gave Argentina's example... What's wrong with tHAT...? Depending on Maradona they won World Cup in 1986 and were second 4 years later! And I'm not sure if it's fair to say that it was all Maradona's influence! What about Caniggia nad goalkeeper Goicochea during Italy'90...? What about Burruchaga and others during Mexico'86...? Without them they wouldn't achieve half of that, even with such a great player (back then) as Maradona...
And you can see this pattern throughout the whole history of football! The greatest teams had their strong and influential leader on whom the whole team depended! Cruyff for Holand in seventies, Beckenbauer for Germany, Kempes for Argentina, Platini for France in eighties, Boniek for Poland... The greatest teams always had one absolutely influential player... Those teams are now remembered as the best of all times! No-one remeber teams without their leaders, without their stars who could win the games, when everyone else gave up... I don't think that's France's weakness... That's actually their strength!!! You may well mark Zidane, sacrificing one player to do that and... Henry will score hat-trick having more space... Simple as that...
France is becoming sometimes extremely dependant on Zidane as much Argentina was with Maradona back in 80s and early 90s."
I disagree... The next game may be Henry's one or Pires's... Or Vieira's... They have plenty of stars in their team... They didn't deliver during a game with England but they may later on... In the first half Trezeguet was so close!!! If it went 1:0 then, the game would look tatally different... True, it didn't, but it may next time...
And how not to depend on a player like Zidane, anyway! It would be sin to have a genius like that and not to use his dedication, his skills and his... pure genius! You gave Argentina's example... What's wrong with tHAT...? Depending on Maradona they won World Cup in 1986 and were second 4 years later! And I'm not sure if it's fair to say that it was all Maradona's influence! What about Caniggia nad goalkeeper Goicochea during Italy'90...? What about Burruchaga and others during Mexico'86...? Without them they wouldn't achieve half of that, even with such a great player (back then) as Maradona...
And you can see this pattern throughout the whole history of football! The greatest teams had their strong and influential leader on whom the whole team depended! Cruyff for Holand in seventies, Beckenbauer for Germany, Kempes for Argentina, Platini for France in eighties, Boniek for Poland... The greatest teams always had one absolutely influential player... Those teams are now remembered as the best of all times! No-one remeber teams without their leaders, without their stars who could win the games, when everyone else gave up... I don't think that's France's weakness... That's actually their strength!!! You may well mark Zidane, sacrificing one player to do that and... Henry will score hat-trick having more space... Simple as that...
I wouldn't agree that Beckham is the most overrated player.. he's not for sure an ace just like Zidane, but he's a very talented one; and I can' think of anyone better than him, using the right foot...can you remember his free kick in england - france, when Lampard scored?
He has to learn to be a true leader rather than have a tatoo on his body everyday.
About Zidane...well',he's for sure one of the best player in the world, he's maybe the number 1 now. but on yesterday match he didn't do that much, besides some numbers when he showed his skill, in controlling the ball.
He did anything to let France to draw the match; of course, the real champion always has something unexpected, and Zizou used his magic on a free kick at 91° minute (thanks to the poor James). Take a look at Totti in some hours, I think they both are the best players in this tournament.
cheeeeers!! (1,30 hours left!!)
He has to learn to be a true leader rather than have a tatoo on his body everyday.
About Zidane...well',he's for sure one of the best player in the world, he's maybe the number 1 now. but on yesterday match he didn't do that much, besides some numbers when he showed his skill, in controlling the ball.
He did anything to let France to draw the match; of course, the real champion always has something unexpected, and Zizou used his magic on a free kick at 91° minute (thanks to the poor James). Take a look at Totti in some hours, I think they both are the best players in this tournament.
cheeeeers!! (1,30 hours left!!)
If it wasn't for Bierhoff, our team would have been European champions in 1996...
*remembers, and smiles*
:)
It was disappointing but some positives can be taken Rooney's performance, the solid defence and er thats it. We'll still go through.
Everybody talks about a poor Jamer. But it was just an incredible free kick. Over the wall, James had no sight at all. His last action (tackle on Henry) was indeed a very bad one.
By the way, Denmark plays very well at the moment.
By the way, Denmark plays very well at the moment.
I'm not very sure about it.. James had the goal on his side of the net!! Zidane had a great free kick but he stood right under his men, while he had to stay on the "free" side (sorry, i'm not so used to talk about football in a technical way in english).
Denmark put a man on Totti, who really did few things (he had to get the ball as a defender). Italy showed a great defense as tradiction, especially Buffon and Zambrotta. Average midfield, Del Piero is simply ridicolous and I hope he played his last game today. I expected something more from Cassano and Viery, but it's been a hard match...lot of hot and then it was the 1st match of the tournament, after all i'm happy about the draw (portugal lost and france risked a lot).
I'm sure we'll see another Italy, on the next turn.
cheeeers!
go azzurri go!
Denmark put a man on Totti, who really did few things (he had to get the ball as a defender). Italy showed a great defense as tradiction, especially Buffon and Zambrotta. Average midfield, Del Piero is simply ridicolous and I hope he played his last game today. I expected something more from Cassano and Viery, but it's been a hard match...lot of hot and then it was the 1st match of the tournament, after all i'm happy about the draw (portugal lost and france risked a lot).
I'm sure we'll see another Italy, on the next turn.
cheeeers!
go azzurri go!
You surprisec me with your football-knowledge Sonja. Surely an interesting game Holland - Germany. Don't you mind if I do support my own country then?? (-:
You know what? I support your country as well!!
:-)
Go ORANJE!! hehe
My football knowledge isn't as good as it seems. I just always follow World Cup and Euro, that's all really.
Oh, Martin, sorry for having brought this sensitive topic back up again.
Did I mention the name Bierhoff??? ;-)
Although Argentina had an excellent team 1986, I doubt they would have won that World Cup without Maradona.
In 1990 Maradona wasn't at his best shape but his presence somehow gave a boost to his team. Let's not forget that Argentina only qualified to that final thanks to Goicochea and a lot of sheer dumb luck. Caniggia and the others were OK players, but they sure didn't have the level of a World Cup finalist.
Zidane and the boys are another story. I don't want to diminish the French because they have one hell of a great team (Makalele, Desaily, Henry... just to name a few great players). But even with their great talent they still seem too dependent on Zidane. Last World Cup Zidane missed 2 games and the French gave an awful performance that was the complete opossite of what happened in 1998.
My point is that a team could have Pele, Cruyff, Maradona, or Zidane on their squad, but it's a bad thing for a team to be dependable on only one player regardless of how good it is.
And about England...Let's not forget that this is not the first time that a British team loses such an important game by easily allowing 2 goals after having a lead through the whole game (Remember Manchester Vs. Bayern in 1999?) Someone perhaps should remind them that matches don't end after 90' minutes but after the whistle blows.
In 1990 Maradona wasn't at his best shape but his presence somehow gave a boost to his team. Let's not forget that Argentina only qualified to that final thanks to Goicochea and a lot of sheer dumb luck. Caniggia and the others were OK players, but they sure didn't have the level of a World Cup finalist.
Zidane and the boys are another story. I don't want to diminish the French because they have one hell of a great team (Makalele, Desaily, Henry... just to name a few great players). But even with their great talent they still seem too dependent on Zidane. Last World Cup Zidane missed 2 games and the French gave an awful performance that was the complete opossite of what happened in 1998.
My point is that a team could have Pele, Cruyff, Maradona, or Zidane on their squad, but it's a bad thing for a team to be dependable on only one player regardless of how good it is.
And about England...Let's not forget that this is not the first time that a British team loses such an important game by easily allowing 2 goals after having a lead through the whole game (Remember Manchester Vs. Bayern in 1999?) Someone perhaps should remind them that matches don't end after 90' minutes but after the whistle blows.
Ah Sweden - Bulgaria | 5-0 Good to hear this :) As I predicted that Sweden will be the suprise of the tournament. :)
As far as I can remember Sweden are pretty strong anyway. It actually wouldn't surprise me at all.
4-3-3 with Rafael v.d. Vaart as left winger is the same as 4-4-2, believe me. He's a real "10 player" and that will be the position where he plays most of the time tomorrow.
But I must say, you're well informed Lawyeris. Dutch roots?
No, I'm pure Lithuanian, we have special internet webpage about news of Euro 2004 and I've read it there:)
It's pretty sad that duo of Ruud van Nistelroy and Patrick Kluivert didnt do well and they cant play together, they could be the most dangerous forwards duo of Euro2004.
Sweden are not so bad but maybe they're not better than Denmark. I know that sounds fool, but football is not only "the more you score the stronger you are". Is Bulgaria a football team anyway? I really appreciate Sweden's attackers, Larsson is one of the most underrated striker in the recent history (he also had a terrible injury).
We'll see what happens on friday,my guess is that Italy's gonna play far better (can't do any worse??) and Sweden won't score 5 goals.
cheeeeeeers!!
We'll see what happens on friday,my guess is that Italy's gonna play far better (can't do any worse??) and Sweden won't score 5 goals.
cheeeeeeers!!
"Let's not forget that this is not the first time that a British team loses such an important game by easily allowing 2 goals after having a lead through the whole game (Remember Manchester Vs. Bayern in 1999?)"
Ehmmm...Wasn't it Man U who won this game in the last minute...?
Ehmmm...Wasn't it Man U who won this game in the last minute...?