"Too bad you bunch of bush pigs can't even address the issue of so many innocent people being murdered. Why?"
What issue? You come in here blurting out a statement. Then you start spewing ad-hominem attacks and vulgarities.
If you want to debate and discuss issues, then pick up some communication skills.
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Will there ever be a day when republicans start loving America more than they love money and power?
Of course, they conservatives have always disguised their greed with patriotism by blindfolding the American public with an American flag. I don't like democrats and politicians in general that much, but republicans just plain disgust me.
Of course, they conservatives have always disguised their greed with patriotism by blindfolding the American public with an American flag. I don't like democrats and politicians in general that much, but republicans just plain disgust me.
Hi Jasen,
I live in America and I am very upset at every life that is lost, in every country, and in every situation. That being war, car accident, terminal illness, etc.
I didn't take that headline like you did though. When I saw the headline I knew that there were many more lives taken that weren't American. I just took it as a news report that was highlighting the lives that were taken that were American bc it was on American TV. I assume now though that the headline was shown in other countries too? I can't speak for other Americans but I am not able to see the headline news of other countries. I only get American TV channels that I am aware of. I hope this doesn't make you think that I am being "American" and only thinking of our headlines and only caring about my country, bc that is not how I feel at all. But that is what I see, what our news people put on our TV. I haven't been watching much news lately though. I almost am to the point where I can't even stomach anymore.
I can tell you that I am aware that many, many lives have been lost in this war. I am also aware that the majority of lives that have been taken have not been American, but to me I'm not concerned over who has lost the most lives. I am most concerned with any lives being taken. I am sorry for the losses but I choose not to get angry over it. Anger doesn't do any good and I think this war proves that even more, anger makes it worse. I just try and do what I can to treat the people I come in contact with everyday as I want to be treated.
I was a little disappointed at your Kentucky remark though. I happen to live in Kentucky and yes our State is not the most perfect place to live in the world, but I make the most of it. Also the trailor comment...Although I do not live in one, I have a lot of friends that live in trailors. They are pretty ok people. I don't think its where you live that matters, I think its what is in your heart. I have never chosen my friends on what type of housing they live in or what type of clothes they wear.
So if you live in America, Russia, Iraq, Canada, or where ever, it doesn't mean that you are a useless piece of shit just bc of your geographical location or your address. What makes you a useless piece of shit is if you treat others like shit. Atleast that's what my definition of an asshole is. I could be wrong though.
I still think you are a hottie though.
:)
I live in America and I am very upset at every life that is lost, in every country, and in every situation. That being war, car accident, terminal illness, etc.
I didn't take that headline like you did though. When I saw the headline I knew that there were many more lives taken that weren't American. I just took it as a news report that was highlighting the lives that were taken that were American bc it was on American TV. I assume now though that the headline was shown in other countries too? I can't speak for other Americans but I am not able to see the headline news of other countries. I only get American TV channels that I am aware of. I hope this doesn't make you think that I am being "American" and only thinking of our headlines and only caring about my country, bc that is not how I feel at all. But that is what I see, what our news people put on our TV. I haven't been watching much news lately though. I almost am to the point where I can't even stomach anymore.
I can tell you that I am aware that many, many lives have been lost in this war. I am also aware that the majority of lives that have been taken have not been American, but to me I'm not concerned over who has lost the most lives. I am most concerned with any lives being taken. I am sorry for the losses but I choose not to get angry over it. Anger doesn't do any good and I think this war proves that even more, anger makes it worse. I just try and do what I can to treat the people I come in contact with everyday as I want to be treated.
I was a little disappointed at your Kentucky remark though. I happen to live in Kentucky and yes our State is not the most perfect place to live in the world, but I make the most of it. Also the trailor comment...Although I do not live in one, I have a lot of friends that live in trailors. They are pretty ok people. I don't think its where you live that matters, I think its what is in your heart. I have never chosen my friends on what type of housing they live in or what type of clothes they wear.
So if you live in America, Russia, Iraq, Canada, or where ever, it doesn't mean that you are a useless piece of shit just bc of your geographical location or your address. What makes you a useless piece of shit is if you treat others like shit. Atleast that's what my definition of an asshole is. I could be wrong though.
I still think you are a hottie though.
:)
I have a couple of questions....what about the hundreds of people that died in the twin towers incident? What about the children in Russia that died? CHILDREN!!! Children that were in school where they should be....why are those lives not counted when we are counting Iraqi's?? And what about the number of Iraqi's that were killed by Sadam's own hand?!?!? Do they not count? Men and women killed while their family members are made (forced) to watch. Living human beings put through human shredders to make an example of Sadam's oppression. It's not a matter of standing behind Bush or Kerry or who ever. It's about standing up for what's right. Yes, I live in the United States of America and, yes, we are the ones making a stand in this and taking the flak. But I'll guarentee you one thing, if Toronto or Montreal had been the one to sustain the casualties that New York did, the USA would be the first there to help out!! This is about terrorism! Not Bush! Not the US of A! And it will never be solved until people relise that! So if you are going to make a statement, get all the facts before you go blabbering and slobbering all over yourself.
Ya know, my father has a saying that I absolutely love....."Better to let people think your an idiot then opening your mouth and proving them right." And buddy, you opened your mouth......
Ya know, my father has a saying that I absolutely love....."Better to let people think your an idiot then opening your mouth and proving them right." And buddy, you opened your mouth......
I agree with Lisser and MayFan...Does nobody care that the Iraqi people were more than just oppressed before this war was begun? People were shoved through shredders feet first - so they would be alive for part of it, and able to feel all the more pain! Athletes who didn't win competitions were put through excruciating tortures, including having the bottoms of their feet beaten until it broke several bones in their feet. So many people were killed for no reason at all! But all anyone ever talks about is how greedy the conservatives were in forcing the United States to start this war. It seems to me that maybe those who say America should've stayed out of Iraq to begin with are the heartless ones; didn't they care about what people had to endure there?
Regardless of whether we agree with what happened before, it's over and done with - there's no way we can change it. But going and mindlessly insulting everyone who disagrees with you is going to do absolutely nothing to improve or change what is happening now. And using the deaths of 11,000 innocents to spew vulgarities as those who committed no crime, seems to me, to be a very cold and heartless response to their plight.
Finally, please don't make any more comments about trailers, etc. Though I'm from Florida, and not Kentucky, the great majority of my friends, actually, live in trailers and such. And it's because of comments like the one you made that they're embarrassed to have people over. So again, it looks to me as though you are the one who is unconcerned for others, and doesn't care about the consequences of your words and actions.
Please take the time to think about what you're saying!
Gomen - again - for getting on my soapbox...I didn't mean to sound preachy or whatever...
Ja ne!
Regardless of whether we agree with what happened before, it's over and done with - there's no way we can change it. But going and mindlessly insulting everyone who disagrees with you is going to do absolutely nothing to improve or change what is happening now. And using the deaths of 11,000 innocents to spew vulgarities as those who committed no crime, seems to me, to be a very cold and heartless response to their plight.
Finally, please don't make any more comments about trailers, etc. Though I'm from Florida, and not Kentucky, the great majority of my friends, actually, live in trailers and such. And it's because of comments like the one you made that they're embarrassed to have people over. So again, it looks to me as though you are the one who is unconcerned for others, and doesn't care about the consequences of your words and actions.
Please take the time to think about what you're saying!
Gomen - again - for getting on my soapbox...I didn't mean to sound preachy or whatever...
Ja ne!
"why are those lives not counted when we are counting Iraqi's??"
Why would you count foreign, unrelated terrorist victims in a Iraqi War casualty numbers?
"And what about the number of Iraqi's that were killed by Sadam's own hand?!?!? Do they not count?"
Sure they count. But we're talking about the war, not Saddams rule. Don't justify one death with another.
" It's about standing up for what's right. "
Absolutely. The debate is whether or not we, as in the 'US' were 'right' in how we handled this entire Iraq situation.
" This is about terrorism! Not Bush!"
Going to war with a country does nothing to stop terrorism. You can't fight terrorism with wars. In many ways, you feed terrorism with wars.
*THAT* is the crux of the issue. The bush administration has half the population here believing that the Iraq war is somehow a war on Terrorism. It is not. It can't be. That's not how terrorism works. It defies basic 'art of war' fundamentals (know thy enemy).
The rest of the world seems to be taking a much more pragmatic and reasoned view of the entire situation. They're seeing it full grey scale (if not full color). While many US citizens are still seeing this as a purely black and white issue. This is GREAT for the Bush administration, as it's so much easier to market 'product' to an audience who simplifies issues down to pure black or pure white.
Why would you count foreign, unrelated terrorist victims in a Iraqi War casualty numbers?
"And what about the number of Iraqi's that were killed by Sadam's own hand?!?!? Do they not count?"
Sure they count. But we're talking about the war, not Saddams rule. Don't justify one death with another.
" It's about standing up for what's right. "
Absolutely. The debate is whether or not we, as in the 'US' were 'right' in how we handled this entire Iraq situation.
" This is about terrorism! Not Bush!"
Going to war with a country does nothing to stop terrorism. You can't fight terrorism with wars. In many ways, you feed terrorism with wars.
*THAT* is the crux of the issue. The bush administration has half the population here believing that the Iraq war is somehow a war on Terrorism. It is not. It can't be. That's not how terrorism works. It defies basic 'art of war' fundamentals (know thy enemy).
The rest of the world seems to be taking a much more pragmatic and reasoned view of the entire situation. They're seeing it full grey scale (if not full color). While many US citizens are still seeing this as a purely black and white issue. This is GREAT for the Bush administration, as it's so much easier to market 'product' to an audience who simplifies issues down to pure black or pure white.
I am not suggesting that war is a cure all or that I believe in "war". What I am stating is that if we sit on our arses and do nothing about it, nothing will change. I would love to hear an alternative solution. I have a personal friend fighting in Iraq as we speak. There is nothing I would like more than to have him home. But what would you suggest?? Let's just let Sadam and anyone else for that matter who can continue to oppress and kill do so. We'll just sit here and shake our finger at him..."Now, now...play nice." "That's not the way things should be done." I don't always agree with our country and how it is run. I still can't understand why the government can't find Osama, but can find a couple of pot plants hidden way out in the middle of nowhere on my neighbors land! But the bottom line on this thread was that the US was being slandered for what we have done yet nothing is mentioned of the bigger picture here. We didn't just look around and say, "Hhmm...let's go kick their ass." This is a reaction to things that should not go on. If that sounds black and white, I'm sorry. I realize that there is alot of grey area in anything of this type of matter. But, again, what else is being suggested to deal with these tyrants?
joeyjojo I couldn't agree more. The Bush campain SWORE on or after 9-11 that they would not use this for political gain. I guess they forgot about that.
MayFan had a couple of really great posts in this thread that I believe are very worth reading if you haven't.
Someone once said, the left wants everyone to be happy and the right wants the right to be happy. That is untrue, the left wants the left to be happy and the right wants the right to be happy. It's pretty simple...two adverse sides fighting a battle won by a narrow margin, but to the victor go all the spoils until the next election.
Here's the thing. I really do care that all those people died. I feel it. But I can't stand it when all people can do is complain about something. You should only complain about things that (a) affect you or (b) you can affect. Let's see, you would belong under the category "(c) I'm a little bitch who has nothing to do but bitch all day about America. Why, I'll just throw in a little ignorance and racism as an added bonus." Debates, however, I welcome with open arms. What you aren't doing is debating, jasen101. You are just bitching about something you are not willing to do anything about, backing it up with about zero points, an unmeasurably low amount of logic, and a complete lack of intellectual reasoning.
"The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who think."
Someone once said, the left wants everyone to be happy and the right wants the right to be happy. That is untrue, the left wants the left to be happy and the right wants the right to be happy. It's pretty simple...two adverse sides fighting a battle won by a narrow margin, but to the victor go all the spoils until the next election.
Here's the thing. I really do care that all those people died. I feel it. But I can't stand it when all people can do is complain about something. You should only complain about things that (a) affect you or (b) you can affect. Let's see, you would belong under the category "(c) I'm a little bitch who has nothing to do but bitch all day about America. Why, I'll just throw in a little ignorance and racism as an added bonus." Debates, however, I welcome with open arms. What you aren't doing is debating, jasen101. You are just bitching about something you are not willing to do anything about, backing it up with about zero points, an unmeasurably low amount of logic, and a complete lack of intellectual reasoning.
"The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who think."
Jasen, yes people are upset that 11000 people have died. Any loss of life has to be a horrifying thing in a day and age when we could be stopping it all. But at the end of the day, hussein had to go down. He was an incredibly evil man- it was wayyyy time to get him. If we had left hitler to it, look what he would have done. Sometimes your point is good, its just the way you insult people for not agreeing with you totally.
I agree with lisser- shame cos you are fit!
I agree with lisser- shame cos you are fit!
I am fit? Like physically fit?
I don't think that means the same thing for me as it does you.
I dunno what you mean by that oppo.
lol
I don't think that means the same thing for me as it does you.
I dunno what you mean by that oppo.
lol
lol lisser...I was wondering the same thing!
Is that pic in your profile you in the hospital???
....thanks Music Man (giving points to Music Man in my book) =)
I have another question...anyone ever hear of a band called "Queen"? Sort of an obscure band from the 70's I think from England..... =)
Is that pic in your profile you in the hospital???
....thanks Music Man (giving points to Music Man in my book) =)
I have another question...anyone ever hear of a band called "Queen"? Sort of an obscure band from the 70's I think from England..... =)
Who are the Queens?
yes I am in the hospital in that pic. I was having a baby!!
yeaa aren't you glad you asked!!
;)
yeaa aren't you glad you asked!!
;)
Hey that's cool =)
That's what hospitals are for.
That's what hospitals are for.