"most people in the world are not doing internet searches trying to piece together Freddie Mercury's AIDS timeline"
... yeah, and I'm just sick because of it. We've gotta pin the tail on this donkey, fast!
john bodega
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Moët Et Chandin
Another song written by Freddie in the summer of 78, and included on the Jazz Album was "Let Me Entertain You". In the last verse Freddie wrote: " The S & M pleasure chest, and if you dig the New York scene we'll have a son of a bitch of a time"
Perk
Freddie was already infected with HIV at LIVE Aid. Given that every lover he had from 1981 On has died from it I’m going to say around then. I agree with the San Francisco theory. If he got it in NYC how come two of his “NY daughters are negative”. Also since Winnie outlived him he could’ve gotten it in Munich but he was infected by latest 1983 there were no reliable tests until 1986. So insurance for the Magic Tour wouldn’t have been an issue.
Woody43
'Another song written by Freddie in the summer of 78, and included on the Jazz Album was "Let Me Entertain You". In the last verse Freddie wrote: " The S & M pleasure chest, and if you dig the New York scene we'll have a son of a bitch of a time"
The line is 'the S&M attraction, we got the best chance'
As in the star and main attraction, tour headliners.
I dont beleive there was any other meaning or context for that line.
The line is 'the S&M attraction, we got the best chance'
As in the star and main attraction, tour headliners.
I dont beleive there was any other meaning or context for that line.
mooghead
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doughnut
perk Freddie didn't sleep with Lee Nolan of the NYC Daughters and it was one night at the most two with Thor. After that they remained just friends. If you read Thor's thread he confirms he was aware of the danger and started to use protection.
Freddie has a lot of lovers so we aren't aware if they all died of aids. He didn't sleep with John Murphy and he died of aids . Tony Bastin died quite a few years before Freddie so its possible Freddie caught it from him in the late 70's .
anyway I hate this ongoing saga, he has been dead 27n years now and nothing is going to change that. Why can't people leave it.
Freddie has a lot of lovers so we aren't aware if they all died of aids. He didn't sleep with John Murphy and he died of aids . Tony Bastin died quite a few years before Freddie so its possible Freddie caught it from him in the late 70's .
anyway I hate this ongoing saga, he has been dead 27n years now and nothing is going to change that. Why can't people leave it.
Galileo1564
miraclesteinway, I don’t know if you’re still around but HTLV-III is just an older name for HIV. It’s the exact same virus. There were at least 3 early names for HIV, because when you grow a new virus in your lab you have the right to name it. Once they were all discovered to be the same, the name HIV was decided upon—by some committee I think. That was in 1986.
doughnut—yes it’s really silly. If he had died of the flu would people be asking this? There always seems to be some unstated subtext to these threads.
doughnut—yes it’s really silly. If he had died of the flu would people be asking this? There always seems to be some unstated subtext to these threads.
nikilabiri
Happy birthday to loving Freddie.anyone who has the source.that Mary says that freddie knew 7years before he had hiv?i saw that video and cant find it now
Galileo1564
Knew what 7 years before what?
Freddie was diagnosed full blown in spring 1987. 7 years before that would be 1980.
There are a couple of quotes from Mary saying Freddie “knew” some unspecified something before he was diagnosed. Her comments don’t make a lot of sense for the era. In 1987 you didn’t know you had AIDS until you were diagnosed with it, and the meaning of a positive HIV test or being diagnosed with lesser forms of HIV disease meant an uncertain future, not that AIDS would necessarily follow. So it’s never been clear to me what Mary is talking about.
It’s pretty clear from things said by a number of people that he wasn’t feeling well during at least parts of the Magic Tour. Whether his not feeling well at that time was clearly HIV disease or not isn’t known. I think it’s only in retrospect that people say that’s when it started.
Freddie was diagnosed full blown in spring 1987. 7 years before that would be 1980.
There are a couple of quotes from Mary saying Freddie “knew” some unspecified something before he was diagnosed. Her comments don’t make a lot of sense for the era. In 1987 you didn’t know you had AIDS until you were diagnosed with it, and the meaning of a positive HIV test or being diagnosed with lesser forms of HIV disease meant an uncertain future, not that AIDS would necessarily follow. So it’s never been clear to me what Mary is talking about.
It’s pretty clear from things said by a number of people that he wasn’t feeling well during at least parts of the Magic Tour. Whether his not feeling well at that time was clearly HIV disease or not isn’t known. I think it’s only in retrospect that people say that’s when it started.
Saint Jiub
[QUOTE] [b]nikilabiri wrote:[/b]
Happy birthday to loving Freddie.anyone who has the source.that Mary says that freddie knew 7years before he had hiv?i saw that video and cant find it now[/QUOTE]
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0171x1k
He definitely knew he was HIV positive prior to the start of the Magic Tour in June 1986.
Per Mary Austin at the 23 minute mark of the 2011 BBC interview (see above link).
"The last tour he knew and it was really hard work for him. Working through the emotional pain; Knowing it was going to be his last tour" ...
Happy birthday to loving Freddie.anyone who has the source.that Mary says that freddie knew 7years before he had hiv?i saw that video and cant find it now[/QUOTE]
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0171x1k
He definitely knew he was HIV positive prior to the start of the Magic Tour in June 1986.
Per Mary Austin at the 23 minute mark of the 2011 BBC interview (see above link).
"The last tour he knew and it was really hard work for him. Working through the emotional pain; Knowing it was going to be his last tour" ...
runner_70
[QUOTE] [b]Saint Jiub wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]nikilabiri wrote:[/b]
Happy birthday to loving Freddie.anyone who has the source.that Mary says that freddie knew 7years before he had hiv?i saw that video and cant find it now[/QUOTE]
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0171x1k
He definitely knew he was HIV positive prior to the start of the Magic Tour in June 1986.
Per Mary Austin at the 23 minute mark of the 2011 BBC interview (see above link).
"The last tour he knew and it was really hard work for him. Working through the emotional pain; Knowing it was going to be his last tour" ...[/QUOTE]
Utter Bollocks
[QUOTE] [b]nikilabiri wrote:[/b]
Happy birthday to loving Freddie.anyone who has the source.that Mary says that freddie knew 7years before he had hiv?i saw that video and cant find it now[/QUOTE]
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0171x1k
He definitely knew he was HIV positive prior to the start of the Magic Tour in June 1986.
Per Mary Austin at the 23 minute mark of the 2011 BBC interview (see above link).
"The last tour he knew and it was really hard work for him. Working through the emotional pain; Knowing it was going to be his last tour" ...[/QUOTE]
Utter Bollocks
nikilabiri
nikilabiri
thnxx runner_70 you were very helpfull...although i remember that 2 months ago i saw a video that mary said freddie knew about 7 years before.i thought it was in the"untold story"but wasnt there
Lsgp03
[QUOTE] [b]jhfishslightlymad wrote:[/b]
This is the post no one wants to read, and Im saying that as a huge fan of Queen and FM.I like ivqs post; a lot of it makes sense. Anyone who thinks Freddie was infected in the mid 80s is crazy, but I think there's a catch. I think that, while Freddie was definitely in increasing danger from 1978 onwards, I dont think he was actually infected until the fall of 1980, if not 1981. Freddie and Tony, from what I've read, met at the very end of 1979 when Queen were on the crazy tour, and were together from 1980 until 1982 (they did not split in 1980, and I have seen a picture of Bastin an Freddie with Everett and that Russian that looks like its from the Hot space period). As for Fanelli; I'm not sure that he would even have been infected when him and Freddie were together. That would mean Fanelli lived with HIV for almost 15 years and, without treatment, thats an extremely long time. Bastin, again from what I read, stuck to the UK while Freddie went abroad to the very worst possible place and did "everything with everybody" in New York City. Even though Tony died first, I don't believe Tony infected Freddie; I think Freddie went to NY in '80/'81, got infected there by some faceless stranger, came back and infected Tony (thats why i say this is the post no one wants to read). HIV doesnt come with a manual; in some people it takes 20 years to progress to AIDS without treatment; in others it takes ten weeks! There are a lot of people who, in absence of treatment, progress to AIDS in 4 or 5 years, and Tony was likely unfortunate enough to be one of them. I also think Freddie infected his German lover and Hutton and many many more. Then again, that stranger may not have been so faceless; there was an airline steward that Freddie met in NY in 1980/81 that he slept with and that man later died of AIDS as well. I think his name was Murphy....HIV was far more prevalent in 1980/81 than it was in 1978/79, and from what I read, Freddie was a lot more aggressive as far as New York went than he was even 2 years before. That being said, he is no more guilty being infected in 1981 vs 1979. Even as late as 1983 nothing really conclusive was known about AIDS at all. I also dont think the initial exposure/infection was what sealed his fate; i think he was reinfected many times and for him to live 5 years with full blown AIDS is extraordinary. And yes; if today's drugs had been around in 1991, we'd probably still have him. Maybe if he wasnt reinfected so many times, he actually wouldve lived long enough to get them in the mid 90s! Regardless of when he was infected and who he infected, we all post on this site because we love the man and his music. Nothing could ever change that.[/QUOTE]
I read from Freddie in an article, that he had the WORST flu of his life of September 1982, and was sick when Queen did “Under Pressure “ on Saturday Night Live” in September.
So from what a lot of MD’s said, one gets flu like symptoms approximately 6 weeks post infection.
I say it was July-August 1982.
This is the post no one wants to read, and Im saying that as a huge fan of Queen and FM.I like ivqs post; a lot of it makes sense. Anyone who thinks Freddie was infected in the mid 80s is crazy, but I think there's a catch. I think that, while Freddie was definitely in increasing danger from 1978 onwards, I dont think he was actually infected until the fall of 1980, if not 1981. Freddie and Tony, from what I've read, met at the very end of 1979 when Queen were on the crazy tour, and were together from 1980 until 1982 (they did not split in 1980, and I have seen a picture of Bastin an Freddie with Everett and that Russian that looks like its from the Hot space period). As for Fanelli; I'm not sure that he would even have been infected when him and Freddie were together. That would mean Fanelli lived with HIV for almost 15 years and, without treatment, thats an extremely long time. Bastin, again from what I read, stuck to the UK while Freddie went abroad to the very worst possible place and did "everything with everybody" in New York City. Even though Tony died first, I don't believe Tony infected Freddie; I think Freddie went to NY in '80/'81, got infected there by some faceless stranger, came back and infected Tony (thats why i say this is the post no one wants to read). HIV doesnt come with a manual; in some people it takes 20 years to progress to AIDS without treatment; in others it takes ten weeks! There are a lot of people who, in absence of treatment, progress to AIDS in 4 or 5 years, and Tony was likely unfortunate enough to be one of them. I also think Freddie infected his German lover and Hutton and many many more. Then again, that stranger may not have been so faceless; there was an airline steward that Freddie met in NY in 1980/81 that he slept with and that man later died of AIDS as well. I think his name was Murphy....HIV was far more prevalent in 1980/81 than it was in 1978/79, and from what I read, Freddie was a lot more aggressive as far as New York went than he was even 2 years before. That being said, he is no more guilty being infected in 1981 vs 1979. Even as late as 1983 nothing really conclusive was known about AIDS at all. I also dont think the initial exposure/infection was what sealed his fate; i think he was reinfected many times and for him to live 5 years with full blown AIDS is extraordinary. And yes; if today's drugs had been around in 1991, we'd probably still have him. Maybe if he wasnt reinfected so many times, he actually wouldve lived long enough to get them in the mid 90s! Regardless of when he was infected and who he infected, we all post on this site because we love the man and his music. Nothing could ever change that.[/QUOTE]
I read from Freddie in an article, that he had the WORST flu of his life of September 1982, and was sick when Queen did “Under Pressure “ on Saturday Night Live” in September.
So from what a lot of MD’s said, one gets flu like symptoms approximately 6 weeks post infection.
I say it was July-August 1982.
Lsgp03
[QUOTE] [b]jhfishslightlymad wrote:[/b]
This is the post no one wants to read, and Im saying that as a huge fan of Queen and FM.I like ivqs post; a lot of it makes sense. Anyone who thinks Freddie was infected in the mid 80s is crazy, but I think there's a catch. I think that, while Freddie was definitely in increasing danger from 1978 onwards, I dont think he was actually infected until the fall of 1980, if not 1981. Freddie and Tony, from what I've read, met at the very end of 1979 when Queen were on the crazy tour, and were together from 1980 until 1982 (they did not split in 1980, and I have seen a picture of Bastin an Freddie with Everett and that Russian that looks like its from the Hot space period). As for Fanelli; I'm not sure that he would even have been infected when him and Freddie were together. That would mean Fanelli lived with HIV for almost 15 years and, without treatment, thats an extremely long time. Bastin, again from what I read, stuck to the UK while Freddie went abroad to the very worst possible place and did "everything with everybody" in New York City. Even though Tony died first, I don't believe Tony infected Freddie; I think Freddie went to NY in '80/'81, got infected there by some faceless stranger, came back and infected Tony (thats why i say this is
I read from Freddie in an article, that he had the WORST flu of his life in September 1982, and was sick when Queen did “Under Pressure “ on Saturday Night Live” in September 82.
So from what a lot of MD’s said, one gets flu like symptoms approximately 6 weeks post infection.
I say initial infection may have been July-August 1982. His NYC friends whom he calls “his NY daughters “ insisted vehemently that Freddie never slept with flight attendant John Murphy. They knew John and stated this event never happened. They do indicate that Murphy did sleep with flight attendant “patient zero “Gaeten Dugas”
Either way, I feel July or August of 1982 just because of his complaints of “ the worst flu of his life”
This is the post no one wants to read, and Im saying that as a huge fan of Queen and FM.I like ivqs post; a lot of it makes sense. Anyone who thinks Freddie was infected in the mid 80s is crazy, but I think there's a catch. I think that, while Freddie was definitely in increasing danger from 1978 onwards, I dont think he was actually infected until the fall of 1980, if not 1981. Freddie and Tony, from what I've read, met at the very end of 1979 when Queen were on the crazy tour, and were together from 1980 until 1982 (they did not split in 1980, and I have seen a picture of Bastin an Freddie with Everett and that Russian that looks like its from the Hot space period). As for Fanelli; I'm not sure that he would even have been infected when him and Freddie were together. That would mean Fanelli lived with HIV for almost 15 years and, without treatment, thats an extremely long time. Bastin, again from what I read, stuck to the UK while Freddie went abroad to the very worst possible place and did "everything with everybody" in New York City. Even though Tony died first, I don't believe Tony infected Freddie; I think Freddie went to NY in '80/'81, got infected there by some faceless stranger, came back and infected Tony (thats why i say this is
I read from Freddie in an article, that he had the WORST flu of his life in September 1982, and was sick when Queen did “Under Pressure “ on Saturday Night Live” in September 82.
So from what a lot of MD’s said, one gets flu like symptoms approximately 6 weeks post infection.
I say initial infection may have been July-August 1982. His NYC friends whom he calls “his NY daughters “ insisted vehemently that Freddie never slept with flight attendant John Murphy. They knew John and stated this event never happened. They do indicate that Murphy did sleep with flight attendant “patient zero “Gaeten Dugas”
Either way, I feel July or August of 1982 just because of his complaints of “ the worst flu of his life”