I think Villiers is saying that the main source used to claim Freddie was showing signs of illness in 1984/5 is not a good one, not that it is impossible for him to have been ill at all.
We do know he had a some kind of flu/viral infection in late March 85, and then throat infection in July 85. They could have been just normal illnesses; we'll never know. They didn't seem a big deal in any case and he appears to have completely recovered from them. He was certainly fit enough to tour from August-October 84, then from April-May 85 with no problems.
The only other source for illness is from compulsive liar Barbara Valentin who came up with all this bizarre stuff about throat tumours, him practically dying and coughing his lungs up during a threesome with another man and her calling her gynaecologist because he had a fever! No one else has mentioned such ailments, (Peter Freestone mentioned he'd had a couple of fits that a doctor said was due to too much cocaine) at least not until he was officially diagnosed and symptomatic.
So it's just one more thing in a long line of Valentin statements that cannot be verified by other close people, like Jim and Peter, who were open about the REAL symptoms he was suffering when he became "full blown".
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Actually there was an HTLV-III test in 1984.... but anyway whatever kind of test Freddie had doesn't mean that my story is crap. My source on the other hand, could have been bullshitting. I was definitely told this story by a woman who was definitely a microbiologist who tested samples from the Harley Street Clinics in the mid-1980s. She told me that the testing of Freddie's specimen was "about 1984 or 1985" and given the tendency for people's memory to become cloudy over time, that might even mean 1987. When she said that she knew before it was public knowledge, well there was that one story in 1986 about Freddie testing positive and being accosted by a journalist at the airport, but let's face it, at the time the story was refuted and Freddie went on to complete the Barcelona project, appear in public, and it was only really when Queen didn't tour The Miracle LP that things started to really heat up in the press. Yes there were some flurries of activity before then, but Freddie wasn't subjected to the constant hounding until much later on. I'm rambling... back to my original point....
My original point is yes I was told that story, I suspect that the lady who told me this was telling the truth, but it's highly possible that she got the year mixed up in her mind. There are many times I've said things like "in 2004 I did....." only to find out later it was 2006, or 2001, or 1998. It happens. Hell, I even say "a couple of months ago" when actually it happened a couple of years ago. Everyone does that. Remember, most people in the world are not doing internet searches trying to piece together Freddie Mercury's AIDS timeline. Most people are too busy doing other things.....
My original point is yes I was told that story, I suspect that the lady who told me this was telling the truth, but it's highly possible that she got the year mixed up in her mind. There are many times I've said things like "in 2004 I did....." only to find out later it was 2006, or 2001, or 1998. It happens. Hell, I even say "a couple of months ago" when actually it happened a couple of years ago. Everyone does that. Remember, most people in the world are not doing internet searches trying to piece together Freddie Mercury's AIDS timeline. Most people are too busy doing other things.....
Another unsupported snippet from the "Sonebody To Love" book was that " Freddie Mercury did not visit the Mineshaft until 1980". If you watch the video for Don't Stop Me Now, recorded in Jan 1979, Freddie can be seen wearing a TShirt advertising this very club under his leather Jacket. Now he was unlikely to have got that shirt from the local Walmart, souvenir shop, or a local drug store. The person who accompanied Fred on his early visits to NY gay clubs 77-78, before he hired Pheobe , and could've probably given more details was Paul Prenter. Details on NY clubs visited, or whether Freddie was a regular at the Mineshaft before 1980, or just doing a couple of visits for a reconnaissance exercise before returning a couple of years down the line
It remains as secret as Freddie wIshed it to be at the time, a time when Queen were in the ascendancy to conquering the US
"most people in the world are not doing internet searches trying to piece together Freddie Mercury's AIDS timeline"
... yeah, and I'm just sick because of it. We've gotta pin the tail on this donkey, fast!
... yeah, and I'm just sick because of it. We've gotta pin the tail on this donkey, fast!
Another song written by Freddie in the summer of 78, and included on the Jazz Album was "Let Me Entertain You". In the last verse Freddie wrote: " The S & M pleasure chest, and if you dig the New York scene we'll have a son of a bitch of a time"
Freddie was already infected with HIV at LIVE Aid. Given that every lover he had from 1981 On has died from it I’m going to say around then. I agree with the San Francisco theory. If he got it in NYC how come two of his “NY daughters are negative”. Also since Winnie outlived him he could’ve gotten it in Munich but he was infected by latest 1983 there were no reliable tests until 1986. So insurance for the Magic Tour wouldn’t have been an issue.
'Another song written by Freddie in the summer of 78, and included on the Jazz Album was "Let Me Entertain You". In the last verse Freddie wrote: " The S & M pleasure chest, and if you dig the New York scene we'll have a son of a bitch of a time"
The line is 'the S&M attraction, we got the best chance'
As in the star and main attraction, tour headliners.
I dont beleive there was any other meaning or context for that line.
The line is 'the S&M attraction, we got the best chance'
As in the star and main attraction, tour headliners.
I dont beleive there was any other meaning or context for that line.
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perk Freddie didn't sleep with Lee Nolan of the NYC Daughters and it was one night at the most two with Thor. After that they remained just friends. If you read Thor's thread he confirms he was aware of the danger and started to use protection.
Freddie has a lot of lovers so we aren't aware if they all died of aids. He didn't sleep with John Murphy and he died of aids . Tony Bastin died quite a few years before Freddie so its possible Freddie caught it from him in the late 70's .
anyway I hate this ongoing saga, he has been dead 27n years now and nothing is going to change that. Why can't people leave it.
Freddie has a lot of lovers so we aren't aware if they all died of aids. He didn't sleep with John Murphy and he died of aids . Tony Bastin died quite a few years before Freddie so its possible Freddie caught it from him in the late 70's .
anyway I hate this ongoing saga, he has been dead 27n years now and nothing is going to change that. Why can't people leave it.
miraclesteinway, I don’t know if you’re still around but HTLV-III is just an older name for HIV. It’s the exact same virus. There were at least 3 early names for HIV, because when you grow a new virus in your lab you have the right to name it. Once they were all discovered to be the same, the name HIV was decided upon—by some committee I think. That was in 1986.
doughnut—yes it’s really silly. If he had died of the flu would people be asking this? There always seems to be some unstated subtext to these threads.
doughnut—yes it’s really silly. If he had died of the flu would people be asking this? There always seems to be some unstated subtext to these threads.
Happy birthday to loving Freddie.anyone who has the source.that Mary says that freddie knew 7years before he had hiv?i saw that video and cant find it now
Knew what 7 years before what?
Freddie was diagnosed full blown in spring 1987. 7 years before that would be 1980.
There are a couple of quotes from Mary saying Freddie “knew” some unspecified something before he was diagnosed. Her comments don’t make a lot of sense for the era. In 1987 you didn’t know you had AIDS until you were diagnosed with it, and the meaning of a positive HIV test or being diagnosed with lesser forms of HIV disease meant an uncertain future, not that AIDS would necessarily follow. So it’s never been clear to me what Mary is talking about.
It’s pretty clear from things said by a number of people that he wasn’t feeling well during at least parts of the Magic Tour. Whether his not feeling well at that time was clearly HIV disease or not isn’t known. I think it’s only in retrospect that people say that’s when it started.
Freddie was diagnosed full blown in spring 1987. 7 years before that would be 1980.
There are a couple of quotes from Mary saying Freddie “knew” some unspecified something before he was diagnosed. Her comments don’t make a lot of sense for the era. In 1987 you didn’t know you had AIDS until you were diagnosed with it, and the meaning of a positive HIV test or being diagnosed with lesser forms of HIV disease meant an uncertain future, not that AIDS would necessarily follow. So it’s never been clear to me what Mary is talking about.
It’s pretty clear from things said by a number of people that he wasn’t feeling well during at least parts of the Magic Tour. Whether his not feeling well at that time was clearly HIV disease or not isn’t known. I think it’s only in retrospect that people say that’s when it started.
nikilabiri wrote:
Happy birthday to loving Freddie.anyone who has the source.that Mary says that freddie knew 7years before he had hiv?i saw that video and cant find it now
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0171x1k
He definitely knew he was HIV positive prior to the start of the Magic Tour in June 1986.
Per Mary Austin at the 23 minute mark of the 2011 BBC interview (see above link).
"The last tour he knew and it was really hard work for him. Working through the emotional pain; Knowing it was going to be his last tour" ...
Saint Jiub wrote:
nikilabiri wrote:
Happy birthday to loving Freddie.anyone who has the source.that Mary says that freddie knew 7years before he had hiv?i saw that video and cant find it now
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0171x1k
He definitely knew he was HIV positive prior to the start of the Magic Tour in June 1986.
Per Mary Austin at the 23 minute mark of the 2011 BBC interview (see above link).
"The last tour he knew and it was really hard work for him. Working through the emotional pain; Knowing it was going to be his last tour" ...
Utter Bollocks