When did Freddie get the HIV virus

I read from Freddie in an article, that he had the WORST flu of his life in September 1982, and was sick when Queen did “Under Pressure “ on Saturday Night Live” in September 82.
So from what a lot of MD’s said, one gets flu like symptoms approximately 6 weeks post infection.
I say initial infection may have been July-August 1982. His NYC friends whom he calls “his NY daughters “ insisted vehemently that Freddie never slept with flight attendant John Murphy. They knew John and stated this event never happened. They do indicate that Murphy did sleep with flight attendant “patient zero “Gaeten Dugas”
Either way, I feel July or August of 1982 just because of his complaints of “ the worst flu of his life”
And yes, he and Kenny Everett shared the same Russian lover living with Everett and a Spaniard in Everett’s home after he divorced his wife. I think the Russian Nicolai died after John Murphy.....but before Bastin.

Lsgp03, never heard about Freddie's interview of the "worst flu of his life". But it can be interesting in case of his desease progression, if true!

But we cannot be sure about SNL Sept'82 case, as somebody (Freestone i think, if my memory didn't fucks me) told that it was a throat nodules thing, that can be pretty unrelated to HIV/AIDS.
As Fred got the problems with vocal cords and bronchii from the beginning of his career. Also i'd read in some topic there, that during one show (in South Africa, as i remember) in 1983-84 he got his throat bleed.
But it was attributed (by him or the press) on the dry climate in country.
Btw, russian lover you write about is Nikolay Grishanowich? This particular horse is dark, as there is no detailed info about him in Internet...only pieces of crap biography which may be a fake. A bit weird.

I'm still around yes! Yeah I was aware of the different names for HIV prior to 1986.

All this stuff about Freddie having the worst flu ever is really just a guessing game. I am HIV-negative and I get terrible flu from time to time, including ones that develop into bronchitis and pneumonia. Once you've had it once you can be more susceptible the next time. I know that when people seroconvert they tend to fall quite ill with various complaints and that it goes away after. Let's not forget that Freddie was constantly on tour at this time, his voice was constantly giving out from over-use (I'm talking the period 1978-1986 with that break in 1983), and that a singer falling ill with flu is not really an unusual thing. Bleeding vocal chords and blood in the cough is also not unusual when the vocal folds are compromised. Perhaps we could observe that Freddie seemed to be unwell more often in the run up to his AIDS-test of 1987, but again that would be at best a bad guess at what was actually going on.

Given that he had developed AIDS by 1987, and was therefore already very sick through the recording of Barcelona, The Miracle, Innuendo, Made In Heaven and from what we can glean from Mary Austin's statement the last leg of the Magic Tour, it's a wonder we actually got the music that we got from him during this time. Obviously Freddie was exposed to the virus before 1986, in the Magic Tour videos he looks tired in comparison to his previous tours, and it would seem that some here have observed evidence of seroconversion in him as early as 1984 - someone mentioned a Kaposi's Sarcoma lesion. I'm not sure about that, to have full-blown AIDS for all that time was quite rare at that time. It would seem that the average life expectancy with AIDS (as opposed to just HIV) was 3 years. Freddie lived for 4 and a half years after diagnosis. That's amazing in itself.

It's really shit that he's gone, or even that he wasn't healthy enough to see the release of Made In Heaven (which wouldn't have been called Made In Heaven under those circumstances), or even a tour.

Mind you, it sucks that we all have to get older and face our missed opportunities. Freddie's life was a great example of taking every opportunity available to him at a time when the ground was still fertile enough for those opportunities to mean something. Sigh.

I come to think that it was lung ilnesses which drive him down to the end. And AIDS just deepened this, made it worse.
In the interview with Queen in '89 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM9LK7TWtZg (considered his last)
he loses his breath at moments but still smokes (one could hear he's clicking his lighter two or three times during conversation). Also at the end it seems Fred's slurring some phrases...how its sad to hear that the desease now had been inevitably takin his body over.

[QUOTE] [b]Seed_Of_Rhy wrote:[/b]

I come to think that it was lung ilnesses which drive him down to the end. And AIDS just deepened this, made it worse.
In the interview with Queen in '89 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM9LK7TWtZg (considered his last)
he loses his breath at moments but still smokes (one could hear he's clicking his lighter two or three times during conversation). Also at the end it seems Fred's slurring some phrases...how its sad to hear that the desease now had been inevitably takin his body over.[/QUOTE]

He neither is out of breath nor is he slurring phrases. I am getting sick of those threads about when or from whom he got infected. What effect would it have on you if you knew???

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He neither is out of breath nor is he slurring phrases. I am getting sick of those threads about when or from whom he got infected. What effect would it have on you if you knew???[/QUOTE]

Hey, calm down, i just wrote he's really hard to breath (or talk) in that interview and one can hear that especially in the end.

I've got no intention to know all his warts and sores and medical diagnosis journals, but there's some interest to track his life.
It's like tracking the path of the star falling...makes you feel fascinating and curious. That's all.

I ment that mary said he knew 7years before 1991.i thought i saw a video not a radio bbc record,that mary said freddie knew 7years before..deffinetly i saw brian may saying freddie knew 5years ago but if you listen carefully what mary says at radio that freddie knew at magic tour and continues"he looked at me,i look at him"meaning that also mary knew it.and again she says that freddie knew from his gp but he said to her that it was mistake and he revieled after 18months.so if you calculate 18months before magic tour,we go to january 1985. somewhere there freddie he first learned he was hiv possitive.so he kept it secret from mary(i imagine that it was when freddie didnt answer gps calls and "just by chance she was told the truth"as mary says at the interview)18months before tell her the truth.well,the order is this.about december 1984-january 1985 mary found out from gp .i woundt want to be at this gps possition,what freddie told him about revieling it to mary.freddie also knew and convince her that he was well.and revieles her at summer 1986 so at magic tour both knew his situation.we come to a conclusion that freddie also knew at live aid,where mary didnt just back then.according to mary freddie knew 7years before he died.sorry for my bad english.

[QUOTE] [b]nikilabiri wrote:[/b]

I ment that mary said he knew 7years before 1991.i thought i saw a video not a radio bbc record,that mary said freddie knew 7years before..deffinetly i saw brian may saying freddie knew 5years ago but if you listen carefully what mary says at radio that freddie knew at magic tour and continues"he looked at me,i look at him"meaning that also mary knew it.and again she says that freddie knew from his gp but he said to her that it was mistake and he revieled after 18months.so if you calculate 18months before magic tour,we go to january 1985. somewhere there freddie he first learned he was hiv possitive.so he kept it secret from mary(i imagine that it was when freddie didnt answer gps calls and "just by chance she was told the truth"as mary says at the interview)18months before tell her the truth.well,the order is this.about december 1984-january 1985 mary found out from gp .i woundt want to be at this gps possition,what freddie told him about revieling it to mary.freddie also knew and convince her that he was well.and revieles her at summer 1986 so at magic tour both knew his situation.we come to a conclusion that freddie also knew at live aid,where mary didnt just back then.according to mary freddie knew 7years before he died.sorry for my bad english.[/QUOTE]
You watched a certain shit movie a bit too often.....

i don't thing so,i just combine words that have been said,btw i watch all kind of movies...:P

I go along with Phoebe Freestone’s account. He would have mulled over the very real possibility of HIV (but not actually tested for it) until spring ‘87 with the emerging signs of (possible) KS.

Tired during the Magic Tour? I don’t read much into that at all: Freddie didn’t have a gym routine whilst owning two of them (again, as per Freestone) and also there is the undeniable fact he wasn’t getting any younger to be running all around the (bigger) stage every other night for two hours at a time at almost 40 years of age whilst still smoking. So yeah, all things considered, to be a bit ‘tired’ would be par for the course there I think.

Agree he was probably infected late 70s/Early 80s but no he didn’t find out formally until 1987. Which is probably why he only then suddenly embarked on his bucket list project of working with Monserrat Caballe to get it in the bag firstly before doing yet another Queen album. If he had been diagnosed before ‘87, I don’t see him doing the Magic Tour & I think he would have hooked up with Caballe sooner than he did.

the Magic tour shows were full of references to his obvios concern of the disease - from wembley "we're going to stay together until we fucking well die," to snapping at the tv reporter a few days later. "if i am still alive, i will come back".. it is obvious.

[QUOTE] [b]Mkls wrote:[/b]the Magic tour shows were full of references to his obvios concern of the disease - from wembley "we're going to stay together until we fucking well die," to snapping at the tv reporter a few days later. "if i am still alive, i will come back".. it is obvious. [/QUOTE]
hindsight is always 20.20.
back (1986) then no-one outside of Freddie's circle had the remotest of clues.

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the Magic tour shows were full of references to his obvios concern of the disease - from wembley "we're going to stay together until we fucking well die," to snapping at the tv reporter a few days later. "if i am still alive, i will come back".. it is obvious.
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Sure, he would have been clued up as to his chances of already having HIV during that tour but I’m saying he wouldn’t have been tested to confirm at that point. Ignorance was bliss if you like. Until he was showing signs of KS the following year.

Freddie die of COVID-91....

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Mary Austin said Freddie knew during the Magic tour. Phoebe, Brian and Roger have all gone on record saying, that in hindsight, they believe Freddie knew based on some behaviors that they didn’t understand until later.

It was 1986, an AIDS test wasn’t even really available until 1985, so insurance had not get gotten to the point of requiring AIDS tests for coverage.