Terri Died.

Rip Van Winkle wrote:

The US legal system is certainly not a model for the rest of the world. The US legal system is by the lawyers for the lawyers, and is not really about justice. It is more about who can stuff the better lawyers pockets.

Don't forget Johnnie Cochran (R.I.P)

Although I didn't like him much for getting a clear murderer out of jail, I have to admit that the guy was damn smart (sometimes in malicious ways, like many lawyers) to make people who seem completely guilty get away with murder.

1. Does the US media know there is a "rest of the world" to report about?

2. Any country whose President bangs on about the right to life, and the "strong protecting the weak" while simultaneously allowing the mentally infirm to be executed deserves some serious questioning of its laws...

3. Withdrawing treatment is allowed in many countries. Killing people isn't (except some rather countries that think it's ok to execute criminals). If you don't like such laws, ask your politicians to change them

sad and happy news at the same time.
i might say i'm glad that she passed away in silence and now her husband and her parents won't have to fight in court (only inside the family...)

Penetration_Guru wrote:

3. Withdrawing treatment is allowed in many countries. Killing people isn't (except some rather countries that think it's ok to execute criminals). If you don't like such laws, ask your politicians to change them

The problem my friend is that 99.99999% of politicians don't listen to people unless they're willing to take money out of their pockets and finance their campaigns.

I have found this entire issue completely outraging and I wonder just how barbaric this world has become.

This is all I am going to say about any of it, because I choose not to get into debates with posters on this topic, nor do I feel like hearing anymore about it because it is extremely saddening.

Mr.Jingles79 wrote:

Would anyone here putting themselves in Terri's position be willing to live like a vegetable for the rest of their life?

If there were chances of bringing Terri back from her coma and live a normal life, then I could understand the point of those who are protesting to keep her alive. However, doctors said that there were no chances of bringing Terri back from her vegetation state.

Btw, did anyone see last night that 'South Park' episode where Kenny goes into a coma and enters a vegetate state that stops him from going to heaven and becoming Keanu Reeves to stop Satan from invading heaven?
Seems very odd that the episode aired one day before Terri died.

very true...and yes i did see that South Park episode...it was a little harsh to be making fun of poor Terri in that way, but...damn...it was funny...

Playful as a pussycat wrote:

Mr.Jingles79 wrote:

Would anyone here putting themselves in Terri's position be willing to live like a vegetable for the rest of their life?

If there were chances of bringing Terri back from her coma and live a normal life, then I could understand the point of those who are protesting to keep her alive. However, doctors said that there were no chances of bringing Terri back from her vegetation state.

Btw, did anyone see last night that 'South Park' episode where Kenny goes into a coma and enters a vegetate state that stops him from going to heaven and becoming Keanu Reeves to stop Satan from invading heaven?
Seems very odd that the episode aired one day before Terri died.

very true...and yes i did see that South Park episode...it was a little harsh to be making fun of poor Terri in that way, but...damn...it was funny...

I don't think that Trey Parker and Matt Stone were making fun of Terri Schiavo, but rather making fun of those handling Terri's fate and trying to enforce their views in the decision concerning whether to let her live or die. That's pretty much aiming to her parents, her husband, the government and the media.

I didn't find the episode offensive at all. I think it was one of the most brilliant South Park episodes I've seen in a long time.

You have one side saying that Terri should live despite the fact that there are no chances of bringing her back to live a normal life, and condemning her to a state of vegetation for the rest of her days.

Then there's another side saying that Terri shouldn't be living like a vegetable and the best thing to do is let her die despite the ethical and moral questions concerning not allowing someone to live. Those who oposse the idea claim this to be nothing but a murder.

In the end the only person who has to the complete right to decide the fate of Terri Schiavo is NO ONE, but ONLY TERRI herself. Sadly, (and I mean VERY SADLY) her state won't allow her to make that decision.

I'm not offended by your opinions Thomas, but I do think they are insensitive and poorly conveyed. You have the right to say how you feel and I do respect that as I'm sure you respect what I say too....right? Of course you do.

I have not consulted any medical professional about the effects of LSD. I just know from a personal experience I had my freshman year in college when I tried it. It was not pleasurable. If you want to try it, by all means do so. I hope you don't though.

I agree in some manner that Bush is a hypocrite with regard to the issue of abortion, right to die, and the death penalty. I can only say that I feel he is seeing the life or death issue from two different angles. Bush does not believe that criminals have a right to live if they've taken another life. That is a personal belief he has that is represented my many other Americans, Americans that have more than likely voted him in to his current position as President of the United States. He is not the only person in the States who believes this. Bush does believe that abortions should not occur bc this is an innocent life that is not getting a chance. I am pro choice because I do believe it should be a personal decision and not the decision of our government. But do I feel like embryos should be ripped from the womb?? Absolutely not but I am against a government making that personal choice for me or anyone else.

It is my opinion that both George Bush and Jeb Bush feel like Terri should "live" as long as it is possible to keep her "alive" no matter what your definition of alive is. I do wish that her husband would have divorced her and given put her care into the hands of her parents, but then I wish that back when it was determined that more than likely she would never recover that the decision be made then. I'm not clear on why this was allowed to go on for 15 plus years. I am fairly confident why Teri's husband would not divorce her. He stood and stands to gain a lot of malpractice lawsuit money and death benefit money when Teri died. Why else would he have two children and live with another woman while still married to Teri in her current state?

If it helps to explain why Bush is hypocritical with regard to the right to live/right to die issue, that is how he is looking at it I feel, I could be wrong. He and many other Americans feel that if you take a life, your life should be taken from you as well...an eye for an eye. Many people do not agree with this and many people do. I find it sad that criminals are allowed to die more humanely than Terri was. I was totally against her starving to death, even if some research says she couldn't feel it. I don't like it. We put humans in jail for withholding food from animals. I just hope this doesn't happen again. I hope people can put in writing what their wishes are if they are ever in this situation. Mine have been put down on paper since I was 18. When you are under 18 here your parents make decisions for you.

Caspar and Marialyv

You guys have just broken the Queenzone record for the fastest reconciliation after a deep argument full of insults.

CONGRATULATIONS!

Thomas it is your right to have that opinion about putting people to death for killing another. The fact is is that is a popular opinion in the United States. It is also a popular opinion that the death penalty is unjust and inhumane. The country is pretty divided on it and not every state carries the death penalty. I have mixed feelings on it. I fear that many are put to death that are innocent.

We could debate all day on issues, especially goverment regulations. It's not your opinions that I get slightly annoyed at...it's just the insensitve one-sided way you convey them. I won't pretend like I am trying to moderate you bc I am not. I'd like you to be a little more open minded about some things though. It is not your way or the highway. I would have never called B&Q a bitch no matter what she said to me. You can't expect her to know the tragedy of your grandmother. You've been here long enough to know that we are a big family here. It makes it hard to have a healthy debate when you tend to be so one-sided and close minded to other poster's beliefs.

And there is nothing wrong with being assertive, now being too aggressive isn't good. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being assertive. You should be comended for having your strong beliefs and values and sticking to them, just don't be a butthead about them! ;)

I am the only one allowed to be a butthead!!!!

bwuahahahahaa!!!

I'm not getting into this debate but we had a similar thing a few years ago, with a young lad who was caught up in the Hillsborough disaster but in his case, his parents wanted to end his suffering and the legalities were to determine that no doctor would face prosecution for withdrawing his feeding tube.

Me personally, I wouldn't want to exist like that.

It is far better to let murderers rot in jail than to than to stoke the American legal circus and stuff lawyer's pockets.

Where are all the poeple of Queenzone that rejoiced when Lacey Peterson's husband (and murderer) was sentenced to death? How many millions will all the appeals and counter-appeals for the death penalty cost. What a waste of time and money. Let the guy rot in prison and be done with it (and any other death row prisoner).

Remember the American legal system is not about justice much of the time. It is about the best lawyer winning. Also, there are plenty of reliable stories of people being exonerated by DNA evidence before the government could snuff them out with the death penalty.

<font color="lime">KillerQueen840 wrote:

I understand, but dehydration and starvation are one of the most painful ways to die. It is inhumane, even if she is mostly brain dead. Seriously, she has responded to different things such as a balloon passing by. She turned her head, followed it, and everything. Being on a feeding tube is not so much life support. She can breath on her own and do everything else necessary to live. A perfect example is how a baby relies on her mother to be fed. She is still a human and deserves respect even if she cannot (well, I guess now it would be right to say couldn't since she is gone..) do a lot of things. Her husband would not allow her to recieve therapy at all during her early stages. I am still disgusted. He could've just simply divorced her and allowed her parents to take care of her. He has a family of his own now, he should've let the people who cared for her the moment she was born take care of her now. Her husband must've had some infulence on why she had that accident. A young lady who is at a nice weight doesn't typical have a heart attack or stroke or whatever.

I can't believe nobody's said this...that's unbelievably judgemental on the husband. I don't know where you heard the part about him not allowing therapy, but if you'd been following the case you would know that she ended up in PVS because she had a heart attack CAUSED BY AN EATING DISORDER. (Ironic really...)I don't say that he was a saint or anything but saying that her husband had "some influence on why she had that accident" is totally unfounded speculation.
I fully believe that this should have been a private matter for the families and should never have gone through the media as it did. The whole situation was lose-lose for everyone.