Inu Yasha: "It'd be nice if those private collectors would let available the stuff that's either extremely rare or virtually unavailable at the moment... Eg. Hangman acetate"
This sort of comment really pisses me off.
First: What have YOU shared? "Teo Torriate" and Kerry Ellis "No One But You" OFFICIAL releases. Hardly anything spectacular! As far as I see, I own NO one any favours - especially you Dark.
Second: Whatever I have in my collection, as YV has already stated, is the result of "Indiana Jones" type digging - and are the results of a lot of research and hard work. For those who envy - get off your butt and do the same.
As for the comment that an MP3 does not detract from the value of the acetate, while this may hold true of prints of the Mona Lisa, it does not hold true for music because if the music itself is unreleased or unheard - this undoubtedly adds to the value of the disc (or cassette tape - or whatever).
But my main beef is not Hangman - or free MP3's - it is both ATTITUDE and leeching. We have created an ATTITUDE of "I want", "I deserve" and worse still - "I leech".
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Sorry Thomas. I am not prepared to do that.
Even though your request is both reasonable and polite, such a post would backfire both as ammunition for those who would like to have a "pop" - or leech further, and upset those who feel that they deserve the same. It is not the first time I have been accused of showing-off and disturbing the harmony of this board.
Even though THEY have invested NO time, NO talent, NO money, NO hard work, somehow, THEY think that they deserve the same.
Can someone please explain to me why that should be so?
Even though your request is both reasonable and polite, such a post would backfire both as ammunition for those who would like to have a "pop" - or leech further, and upset those who feel that they deserve the same. It is not the first time I have been accused of showing-off and disturbing the harmony of this board.
Even though THEY have invested NO time, NO talent, NO money, NO hard work, somehow, THEY think that they deserve the same.
Can someone please explain to me why that should be so?
I just wanna say that I think that most people on Queenzone are so great with the whole bootleg thing. Without people giving stuff away for free(without trading) It'd be really hard for new people to get into the whole thing.
I really think it's fantastic that so many people are willing to freely trade and give out bootleg shows. It's gotten me into so much more stuff than Queen shows and I totally feel like I'm seeing a whole new side of the bands by hearing them throughout their careers than just a couple officially released live CDs.
It just really bugs me when collecters get stingey with their stuff. It's pretty selfish and pretty much goes against the whole "it's all about the music" mentality.
So I just really wanna thank everyone on this site that has been real cool and shared their stuff with me and everyone else. Thanks to you guys, I really enjoy collecting old shows and can enjoy the bands on a whole new level
I really think it's fantastic that so many people are willing to freely trade and give out bootleg shows. It's gotten me into so much more stuff than Queen shows and I totally feel like I'm seeing a whole new side of the bands by hearing them throughout their careers than just a couple officially released live CDs.
It just really bugs me when collecters get stingey with their stuff. It's pretty selfish and pretty much goes against the whole "it's all about the music" mentality.
So I just really wanna thank everyone on this site that has been real cool and shared their stuff with me and everyone else. Thanks to you guys, I really enjoy collecting old shows and can enjoy the bands on a whole new level
we all do, we all love collectin shows and tracks but like u sed some people are stingy and wont share, but then u have annoyin ass holes kile me who just beg beg beg, which i apologies for, its the way it goes unfortunatly.
ThomasQuinn: "I can't say I would do any different were I in your shoes."
No problems.
I do try to help out whenever I can. I am not deliberately awkward. The amount of genuinely rare material I have shared over the years really has gone past without notice or appreciation - but that is by the by. (By the same token - I am grateful to those in here who have taken the time and courtesy and shared with me - as it really is a two-way street).
The thing is I take "pride" in my collection - it has been a life-long passion. For example, I was not long married, and had two small children to support, when Queen released the "Complete Works" box-set.
The price (then) was roughly £75.00 - or the same as about one week's wage - and however you cut it one week's wage in 1985, and one weeks wage 20 years later - is still 25% of a monthly income.
To afford this, I had to sacrafice. I had to defer bills. I had to rob Peter to Pay Paul. Most of all, I had to stop drinking for a few weeks, but, the end result is that I love that set. I appreciate that set, and most of all - it is a nice artifact in my collection.
Now I am no saint, nor do I expect any round of applause, but my point is - I chose my actions because I wanted that set. I did not expect it free, nor do I grudge others who later purchased autographed versions from e-bay.
In otherwords I prioritised, made decissions and took control, and because of such I have NO respect for those leeches who sit open beaked like baby-birds expecting to be fed at my expense.
Sorry if this has sounded a bit preachy, but sharing - Yes, MP3's - Yes, hard to find - Yes, Officially available matrial - NO, and especially rare collector's item - definately NOT!!!
PS: Why is it that most of the leechers in here, are those that have downloaded their official Queen catalogues from Kazza WinMX or Russian MP3 sites anyway? As a generalisation, those who have purchased official products (seem to me) to be among the "nicest" 'zoner's of all!
No problems.
I do try to help out whenever I can. I am not deliberately awkward. The amount of genuinely rare material I have shared over the years really has gone past without notice or appreciation - but that is by the by. (By the same token - I am grateful to those in here who have taken the time and courtesy and shared with me - as it really is a two-way street).
The thing is I take "pride" in my collection - it has been a life-long passion. For example, I was not long married, and had two small children to support, when Queen released the "Complete Works" box-set.
The price (then) was roughly £75.00 - or the same as about one week's wage - and however you cut it one week's wage in 1985, and one weeks wage 20 years later - is still 25% of a monthly income.
To afford this, I had to sacrafice. I had to defer bills. I had to rob Peter to Pay Paul. Most of all, I had to stop drinking for a few weeks, but, the end result is that I love that set. I appreciate that set, and most of all - it is a nice artifact in my collection.
Now I am no saint, nor do I expect any round of applause, but my point is - I chose my actions because I wanted that set. I did not expect it free, nor do I grudge others who later purchased autographed versions from e-bay.
In otherwords I prioritised, made decissions and took control, and because of such I have NO respect for those leeches who sit open beaked like baby-birds expecting to be fed at my expense.
Sorry if this has sounded a bit preachy, but sharing - Yes, MP3's - Yes, hard to find - Yes, Officially available matrial - NO, and especially rare collector's item - definately NOT!!!
PS: Why is it that most of the leechers in here, are those that have downloaded their official Queen catalogues from Kazza WinMX or Russian MP3 sites anyway? As a generalisation, those who have purchased official products (seem to me) to be among the "nicest" 'zoner's of all!
Maybe it's our own fault that we "raised" this generation of beggars with our own generosity. It does not need a university degree to collect 2 Gb of inofficial Queen material in order to join the hub.
Yes. The more QZ offers, the more people want. What bothers me is that the appreciation seems gone and is replaced by a sense of entitlement.
As for the complaint from Taylorbeggar that he is too young and doesn't have enough stuff to trade, get over it. Everyone starts somewhere and it usually entails being polite, working contacts, and spending a little dough. As John said, "For those who envy - get off your butt and do the same." It's not magic, just work. Coming onto to QZ, asking for rare items and only giving back official downloads in return does not win friends.
we all do, we all love collectin shows and tracks but like u sed some people are stingy and wont share, but then u have annoyin ass holes kile me who just beg beg beg, which i apologies for, its the way it goes unfortunatly.
Begging is not the way it goes.
Even being 17 in the north of England, you still have options. Spend your time figuring those out rather than pester a noticeboard with your begging.
well i understand what u r sayin, and im not askin for the rarest of things like you're goin onabout. Im only after certain things like versions of Radio Ga Ga etc, not Full versions of Gigs, iv asked for one but not one like, well i dont know what the rarest gig is but you understand what im sayin, im askin for things i cannnot get hold of but are not entirely rare either.
Linda: To me your point: "What I'm saying is, not EVERYONE can join the hub and not EVERYONE has a big enough collection to share stuff... But what is terrible, is the amount of people who download stuff with no appreciation or thanks." - is both elloquent and logical.
My point hopefully recognises this and builds upon it to take the discussion to the next stage.
That is - if what you say is correct - for these very SAME people to to cry out "I want more!", AFTER they have already looted the store of all its content - beggers belief.
Then when they are told - "the store is empty - you have ALL there is", they turn around and say "but a few elite traders have... and I want that too".
Finally if they were given access to this, their cry would be, "Why buy special edition CDs?".
To me, these are NOT Queen fans, but cheapskates who have NO intention of ever buying anything - so the whole argument is a sham anyway - because no matter whatever was offered to them, they EXPECT free copies anyway.
My point hopefully recognises this and builds upon it to take the discussion to the next stage.
That is - if what you say is correct - for these very SAME people to to cry out "I want more!", AFTER they have already looted the store of all its content - beggers belief.
Then when they are told - "the store is empty - you have ALL there is", they turn around and say "but a few elite traders have... and I want that too".
Finally if they were given access to this, their cry would be, "Why buy special edition CDs?".
To me, these are NOT Queen fans, but cheapskates who have NO intention of ever buying anything - so the whole argument is a sham anyway - because no matter whatever was offered to them, they EXPECT free copies anyway.
well i must of applied for 15 jobs in one month at the shoppin center-(metro center) and each one got turned down cos of my age for some shite reason, the point is im tryin to get a job, so i can get money, so i can buy queen bootlegs or rarities etc, but its prooving very difficult for me at the monet, and it seems its been my fault for this discussion just becos i didnt know when to stop begin, so im just goin to stop askin, try do stuff myself cos its seems iv brought nowt but arguements and dissagreements onto QZ,
i apologies for that.
i apologies for that.
Linda: To me your point: "What I'm saying is, not EVERYONE can join the hub and not EVERYONE has a big enough collection to share stuff... But what is terrible, is the amount of people who download stuff with no appreciation or thanks." - is both elloquent and logical.
My point hopefully recognises this and builds upon it to take the discussion to the next stage.
That is - if what you say is correct - for these very SAME people to to cry out "I want more!", AFTER they have already looted the store of all its content - beggers belief.
Then when they are told - "the store is empty - you have ALL there is", they turn around and say "but a few elite traders have... and I want that too".
Finally if they were given access to this, their cry would be, "why buy special edition CDs?".
To me, these are NOT Queen fans, but cheapskates who have NO intention of ever buying anything - so the whole argument is a sham anyway - because no matter whatever was offered to them, they EXPECT free copies anyway.
I agree completely. You may think I'm a hypocrite as the only things I've bought as yet are official releases. (If only I had more money...) But, I don't think that makes me less of a Queen Fan just because I don't have all these bootleg cds...
It doesn't......I personally, as previously stated, like JSS I'm sure - already own copies of the material that is likely to appear on the Special Edition CDs, but there are some rarities out there I don't have I'm sure, and I don't badger people to give them to me without offering to trade with them for something in return. I participated in the bootleg tree that ran here last year and it helped me to not only kickstart my rarities collection, but to organise some trades after that.
Maybe it's your CV that needs some work.
Like translating into English...
Like translating into English...
The thing is I take "pride" in my collection - it has been a life-long passion. For example, I was not long married, and had two small children to support, when Queen released the "Complete Works" box-set.
The price (then) was roughly £75.00 - or the same as about one week's wage - and however you cut it one week's wage in 1985, and one weeks wage 20 years later - is still 25% of a monthly income.
To afford this, I had to sacrafice. I had to defer bills. I had to rob Peter to Pay Paul. Most of all, I had to stop drinking for a few weeks, but, the end result is that I love that set. I appreciate that set, and most of all - it is a nice artifact in my collection.
i agree with your sentiments. i too went through the same situation - having to scour fairs and ads to get hold of Lurex, Howell, SmileLP, Hunter, KYA, SSOR, Bo Rhap and STL pic sleeves, and plenty of pic disc rarities - JAZZ, AKOM, and NOTW and Opera on col vinyl. but i realised that my collection got out of hand and decided to sell it. i didn't rip anyone off - just sold at Record Collector valuations. and although occasionally i see the stupid prices things are selling for these days, i am glad i parted with this stuff...it becamse a weight around my neck
all i have now is the official releasaes on CD and DVD and live boots/demos from the hub
There is another part of the hub that requires no initial amount of Queen.
Also, there are countless Queen downloads available on the net. You can find a lot at BrianMay.com for example.
I was one who vigorously complained about the trading community in years past (maybe I have complained recently, but I don't remember). Those that complain now about the trading community being stingy have no idea how good they have it now.
Also, there are countless Queen downloads available on the net. You can find a lot at BrianMay.com for example.
I was one who vigorously complained about the trading community in years past (maybe I have complained recently, but I don't remember). Those that complain now about the trading community being stingy have no idea how good they have it now.
whereabouts on Brianmay.com is these downloads? help very much appreciated!