Brian's Live At Brixton Academy album is probebly the WORST example of studio tampering (alongside The Stones' Get Yer Ya Ya's Out)
If Brixton was a good example, I guess you've never heard "Eagles - Live" then. Everything sounds super-fake /un-live and un-natural (that includes crowd reactions). A real orgy of overdubbing and edits.
Actually, Live At The Rainbow is a GREAT example of how badly these things affect a live recording. I think the reason I overlooked it is that I have only ever watched it ONCE and after hearing it, decided that I couldn't EVER watch it again.
EVERY harmony vocal in the show has been overdubbed for the studio version. Can you imagine going to the cinema to watch Led Zep's "The Song Remains The Same", and having Rainbow come on before it (which it did)? How disappointing......
Don't be daft - these aren't 'overdubs' - Pro tools can fix performance glitches quite easily - happens all the time - don't fret!
The "glitch" Freddie made in Fat Bottomed Girls cannot possibly be repaired with ProTools. It was a major screw-up and was overdubbed. Believe me, I am a Pro Tools user.
Don't be daft - these aren't 'overdubs' - Pro tools can fix performance glitches quite easily - happens all the time - don't fret!
The "glitch" Freddie made in Fat Bottomed Girls cannot possibly be repaired with ProTools. It was a major screw-up and was overdubbed. Believe me, I am a Pro Tools user.
When did he sing the overdub?
If you can't fix glitches - get some lessons on your software!
Getting back to Fat Bottommed Girls at MK. On the Edited version that VH1 used to air (About 60 mins long) that mistake (Locality) was on there too. Also you can hear Roger harmonising with nothing. Rather good.
The "glitch" Freddie made in Fat Bottomed Girls cannot possibly be repaired with ProTools. It was a major screw-up and was overdubbed. Believe me, I am a Pro Tools user.When did he sing the overdub?
If you can't fix glitches - get some lessons on your software!
OK smartass, I suppose you are Justin Shirley Smith. So please explain to me how software will change pitch (possible), intonation (possible), voice quality (impossible) and lyrics (impossible) without any new source material.
If you can't, kindly shut up and go bore someone else to death with your know-it-all attitude. [/QUOTE]
Its quite obvious there aren't any studio overdubs on MK, unless Freddie has been brought back from the dead. They will have used Protools to patch things in from other performances to cover anything up - they can also obviously mix the tracks differently to help cover such errors up.
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:
To 'patch in things from other performances' is surprisingly close to the dictionary definition of 'overdub'
You are absolutely correct, the only difference is whether the repairs were made with specifically recorded material (studio overdub)or other live versions from the same tour were used. There is NO "fix f***ed up vocal" button in Pro Tools.
Not really. To say its been overdubbed would suggest the band have gone back in to the studio and replaced any errors with new takes - which they did not. Its been edited, not overdubbed.
I'm sure I read on Brian's site back when the On Fire at the Bowl was released, that they did fix the glitch in FBG. I don't remember whether he wrote how. But one thing is sure - it has been fixed.
I've read that Live Killers analysis before, and I was very disappointed to think that they not only mixed performances to make a pastiche live concert, but that they may have used various performances with the individual songs!! WTF! I was wondering if this site was ever sent to Brian to get a reaction from him. I'm still in doubt about the analysis, but neither have I access to the source materials the author has. I really love that album either way, but it'd be a bit of a blow to think the analysis is totally correct...
