Come on you guys. I see a lot of hatred towards our Middle-Eastern and Muslim neighbors. It is understandable that you are lashing out, and it is alright to be angry, but please remember that people from the Middle East are not all to blame for these attacks. Remember in fact that in the countries we are fighting, extremist dictatorships have in the past been oppressing innocent Muslims and non-Muslim Middle-Easterners. The average Middle-Easterner/Muslim is just as horrified and angered by these attacks as any other person. Please do not allow your anger to overcome your common sense and lash out at innocent people.
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U know, I came to think that if the world wouldn't have been the way it is, I wouldn't be the person I am. Dunno if it's a good thing or not, but I like me the way I am, I guess. ^_^
Another selfish Soniac post... :P
Anyways, we can't stop the hate, nor the religious (or any kind of) extremisms. The only thing we can do is to teach our children and/or our friends that it's better to live in peace with yourself and the world, than to try to impose your own set of values by force...
kiss kiss,
Sonia
Another selfish Soniac post... :P
Anyways, we can't stop the hate, nor the religious (or any kind of) extremisms. The only thing we can do is to teach our children and/or our friends that it's better to live in peace with yourself and the world, than to try to impose your own set of values by force...
kiss kiss,
Sonia
I'm Muslim. Bring it on!
I'm Muslim. Bring it on!
And I'm Romanian...
Hating people for their religion or nationality is something I abhor the most...
What are you expecting people to say about you just because you are muslim? The image you have is what you create for yourself and what you want people to see. You should know that ;-)
It's so stupid. People who say Muslims this or that actually become exactly the thing they are apparently fighting... They say they're fighting with ahtred and fanaticism but... with hatred and fanaticism? They're as dangerous...
If we started about Muslims, let's expand the discussion to what the Catholic church did throughout history...
oh, and the Roman Empire, the Ancient Greeks...
etc.
I totally agree that this type of hatred makes you as bad or worse as the thing you hate (I mean if the hate is really founded)...
In fact, I like Muslims very much, and I mean Arabian culture (Ancient and present), Turkish etc. It has a lot of colors (and colors give life), and great stories. I could stay and listen to those stories for days gone by... :D
oh, and the Roman Empire, the Ancient Greeks...
etc.
I totally agree that this type of hatred makes you as bad or worse as the thing you hate (I mean if the hate is really founded)...
In fact, I like Muslims very much, and I mean Arabian culture (Ancient and present), Turkish etc. It has a lot of colors (and colors give life), and great stories. I could stay and listen to those stories for days gone by... :D
I'm Muslim. Bring it on!
And I'm Romanian...
Hating people for their religion or nationality is something I abhor the most...
What are you expecting people to say about you just because you are muslim? The image you have is what you create for yourself and what you want people to see. You should know that ;-)
I know that, but people think that what they know IS the truth. I just don't give a damn what they think anymore, it's not worth the energy to try and talk with these people. I'm just giving the information they need so they can bash me and put me in the same category as these fucks that keep doing these terrible things.
It's terrible this need of the humankind to label people in order to bash them... It's been like that since forever... Oh, and if you try to be different is even worse...
The problem is that people blame this to all the Muslims. The differences between the cultures will grow, which can be the reason for new violence. It's hard to stop this violence spiral. A good example is the Middle East. We have to find a solution to live with each other, instead of killing each other.
Generalizing is the worst mistake. But finding excuses for murderers is just as bad. In the West we tend too often to blame it all on ourselves, our leaders, our ways of life. I can't tolerate this.
Sure, the Catholic church caused huge disasters in the past, and the Catholic leaders actually acknowledged this and apologized. Now it's the Muslim turn. Now they are the killers, just like the Catholics were the killers in the past. This does not mean that I should find justification for what the Muslim extremists are doing.
I know the great majority of Muslims are peaceful, wonderful people. I just wish they would speak out more against these mass murders. I can't forget the joyous crowd jumping and partying in Palestine on Sept 11th... Can you, guys?
Fairy
Sure, the Catholic church caused huge disasters in the past, and the Catholic leaders actually acknowledged this and apologized. Now it's the Muslim turn. Now they are the killers, just like the Catholics were the killers in the past. This does not mean that I should find justification for what the Muslim extremists are doing.
I know the great majority of Muslims are peaceful, wonderful people. I just wish they would speak out more against these mass murders. I can't forget the joyous crowd jumping and partying in Palestine on Sept 11th... Can you, guys?
Fairy
Usually the fear of the unknown creates violence. People don't know a lot of things about muslims (except what they see on CNN or whatever when terrorist attacks happen), so they create this narrowminded impression that all Muslims are religious extremists and they should be killed...
Burak is one of the best examples, I think, to prove this theory of hate is false though...
Burak is one of the best examples, I think, to prove this theory of hate is false though...
What I feel so terrible about is that they're able to bring out the worst of me. I never thought I could hate, now I do. And I dislike myself for hating!
But what are we supposed to do? In war adversaries fight one another. Here we are like in a war but we are just under attack, and we can't defend ourselves because there's no visible enemy. It's an awful feeling. There's nothing you can do. Don't say dialog is the way. You can't have any dialog with terrorists. Deep cultural changes are needed, but they can only come from within the Muslim societies. There's very little we can do from here, if not eradicate the brutal leaders like it happened with Hitler.
I think we have the right to be angry, at least, since we can't do anything else.......! Should I apologize for being angry, now??!
Fairy
But what are we supposed to do? In war adversaries fight one another. Here we are like in a war but we are just under attack, and we can't defend ourselves because there's no visible enemy. It's an awful feeling. There's nothing you can do. Don't say dialog is the way. You can't have any dialog with terrorists. Deep cultural changes are needed, but they can only come from within the Muslim societies. There's very little we can do from here, if not eradicate the brutal leaders like it happened with Hitler.
I think we have the right to be angry, at least, since we can't do anything else.......! Should I apologize for being angry, now??!
Fairy
Of course, blame it on the Muslims. U think that they want this to happen (exc the terrorists? - and thank God there are a lot of Caucasian and Christian terrorists - wanna talk about them now???)?
It's always easier to blame it on the other one.
Maybe dialogue will fail, but one thing is needed: to get to know the other.
It's always easier to blame it on the other one.
Maybe dialogue will fail, but one thing is needed: to get to know the other.
Iraq is an attempt to eradicate a brutal regime. I think nobody here in Europe believes the Americans were wrong when they came here and lost so many lives in order to eradicate Hitler's regime. Iraq is the same thing. But after World War II ended, it was the people of Germany and Europe in general who started rebuilding their countries on the basis of democracy and peace. The Iraqis now are called to do just that. You can't demand outside help forever!
This is meant to stir up debate, NOT hatrid or prjudice.
Hypothetically, a group of Marsians visit the Earth. This deligate, blow up a bus of innocent victims, and bring down not one, but two skyscapers of more innocent lives.
Do we,
A: (like Speilberg's movie) declare war.
B: Await the next Martian arrival - just to make sure?
C: Invite Martian diplomats for Tea and aromatherapy
or D;
Because all Martians are different (even though they look the same) - do we allow "friendly" visitors to arrive in tandam with those determined to take over the Earth?
As I said, this is not meant to stir up prejudice. It is a realistic question - looking for sensible answers, or options which I may have overlooked or not considered.
Hypothetically, a group of Marsians visit the Earth. This deligate, blow up a bus of innocent victims, and bring down not one, but two skyscapers of more innocent lives.
Do we,
A: (like Speilberg's movie) declare war.
B: Await the next Martian arrival - just to make sure?
C: Invite Martian diplomats for Tea and aromatherapy
or D;
Because all Martians are different (even though they look the same) - do we allow "friendly" visitors to arrive in tandam with those determined to take over the Earth?
As I said, this is not meant to stir up prejudice. It is a realistic question - looking for sensible answers, or options which I may have overlooked or not considered.