OK then go to Bin Laden's cave, Sonia, and tell him that you're sad about the latest events and would like to talk it over with him, and to know him a little better...!!!
Of course I don't blame it on all the Muslims! As a matter of fact, my ex boyfriend was a Muslim!!! But get real. Today it is Muslim fanatism.
I don't think the Muslims are happy about this, but I don't hear many Muslim leaders speak out against this either...
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John, I think I would certainly go for C, maybe letting aromatherapy alone LOL. But after a few years of failure of C and after a few thousands of civilian lives lost I think I would change my plans...
I'm Muslim. Bring it on!
lol YOU YOU.. damn I can't
lol ;)
This is meant to stir up debate, NOT hatrid or prjudice.
Hypothetically, a group of Marsians visit the Earth. This deligate, blow up a bus of innocent victims, and bring down not one, but two skyscapers of more innocent lives.
Do we,
A: (like Speilberg's movie) declare war.
B: Await the next Martian arrival - just to make sure?
C: Invite Martian diplomats for Tea and aromatherapy
or D;
Personally, I would be hiding under a rock somewhere if aliens came..
Personally, I would be hiding under a rock somewhere if aliens came..
LOL Why? I'd die to meet aliens!
Personally, I would be hiding under a rock somewhere if aliens came..
LOL Why? I'd die to meet aliens!
And you might if they came and blew up buildings right away!
If they came "in peace" I'd be first in line to say hello! ;-)
Generalizing is the worst mistake. But finding excuses for murderers is just as bad. In the West we tend too often to blame it all on ourselves, our leaders, our ways of life. I can't tolerate this.
Sure, the Catholic church caused huge disasters in the past, and the Catholic leaders actually acknowledged this and apologized. Now it's the Muslim turn. Now they are the killers, just like the Catholics were the killers in the past. This does not mean that I should find justification for what the Muslim extremists are doing.
I know the great majority of Muslims are peaceful, wonderful people. I just wish they would speak out more against these mass murders. I can't forget the joyous crowd jumping and partying in Palestine on Sept 11th... Can you, guys?
Fairy
Hate..is taught. I was Apalled when during 911, I saw footage in Palestine and other Arab nations ..of 5 and 6 year old CHILDREN, holding rifles, shooting them, off and into the sky, yelling ''death to the Americans''! This from 5 and 6 year olds.
But their parents and adults teach them that. Hate is taught. Intolerance, prejudic,e opression are all propaganda lies and taught.
But..imagine if adults would teach children compassion, huamity, tolerance. Unfortunately, they don't. Sad.
Hate..is taught. I was Apalled when during 911, I saw footage in Palestine and other Arab nations ..of 5 and 6 year old CHILDREN, holding rifles, shooting them, off and into the sky, yelling ''death to the Americans''! This from 5 and 6 year olds.
But their parents and adults teach them that. Hate is taught. Intolerance, prejudic,e opression are all propaganda lies and taught.
But..imagine if adults would teach children compassion, huamity, tolerance. Unfortunately, they don't. Sad.
Quite right.
Arlene R. Weiss wrote:
Hate..is taught. I was Apalled when during 911, I saw footage in Palestine and other Arab nations ..of 5 and 6 year old CHILDREN, holding rifles, shooting them, off and into the sky, yelling ''death to the Americans''! This from 5 and 6 year olds.
But their parents and adults teach them that. Hate is taught. Intolerance, prejudic,e opression are all propaganda lies and taught.
But..imagine if adults would teach children compassion, huamity, tolerance. Unfortunately, they don't. Sad.
I agree. But what do we do in the meantime, with those already disturbed kids - who will grow into even more disturbed adults?
They sure as hell are not going to listen to reason, or sit still in a classroom.
Hate..is taught. I was Apalled when during 911, I saw footage in Palestine and other Arab nations ..of 5 and 6 year old CHILDREN, holding rifles, shooting them, off and into the sky, yelling ''death to the Americans''! This from 5 and 6 year olds.
But their parents and adults teach them that. Hate is taught. Intolerance, prejudic,e opression are all propaganda lies and taught.
But..imagine if adults would teach children compassion, huamity, tolerance. Unfortunately, they don't. Sad.
I agree. But what do we do in the meantime, with those already disturbed kids - who will grow into even more disturbed adults?
They sure as hell are not going to listen to reason, or sit still in a classroom.
From Brian's website today:
**Fri 08 JUl 05**
THE BOMBINGS IN LONDON
Q: What is the definition of an idiot ?
A: Someone who keeps on doing the same thing, and expects a different result.
I sense there is a mood of quiet resolve among the people I speak to. We are feeling that we must not go any further down the road of escalation .... this is old stuff, but I personally feel that in the wake of 9/11 an opportunity was missed .... to seek understanding rather than revenge. The Nelson Mandela way. I do not subscribe to this "War on Terrorism" slogan. I believe we have a need to secure a peaceful world for our children, and that it cannot be done by exerting our muscle internationally. It sure hasn't worked yet, has it?! It must be done by adjusting OUR behaviour; we must stop playing "Cowboys and Indians" - a self-damning phrase if ever there was one. I no longer believe we are the good guys. We must earn this view of ourselves, and start recognising that there are other legitimate views of the world than ours.
I'm afraid the comet-smashing philosophy is to blame ! Maybe I'm overdoing this, but there is a kind of arrogance that goes with this, which makes us dangerous....
Every time I fly (which is almost almost every day right now !) I walk past the conspicuous plastic case of confiscated nail clippers and tiny scissors, and think to myself ..."are we really fooling ourselves that by doing this we are making our world safe? " Yesterday in London must have shown us that we have no hope of solving the "Terrorist Problem" with this kind of sticking plaster. So where do we go from here ? Search everyone before they go on a bus? On a tube train ? Walking down the street? This is the road to insanity .... a climate of fear, which, sadly, the USA is already experiencing. It's time we attacked the cause rather than the symptoms. I want to see our politicians answer the question "WHY?" WHY do people hate us this much? What can we do to change this? It's no use thinking we are dealing with a small bunch of maniacs, as seems to be the popular view, who need to be "stamped out". The reality is we are looking at a large number of entire countries of people to whom the American (and English) flag is a symbol of evil. Of selfishness and bullying imperialist aggression. THIS is what we must address. This is what we owe it to our children to do. In my opinion.
Bri
I agree with some and only a little of the thought and intention of what Brian said.
But...Brian's thoughts on the way to deal with it, and how he sees things idealically, but WHAT these fanatics are in reality, I TOTALLY don't.
I am no cynic, but Brian is looking at things from a rose colored glasses view like these are rational humane people that will sit down to a peaceful, diplomatic dialogue.
Basically...Brian said that the capitalistic nations, the USA, the UK, Western nations, etc...are in effect arrogant, too full of themselves and brought this hate on themselves.
That's like saying a woman who wears provacative clothing brings a rape on herself...how archaic.
He says fighting fire with fire is wrong..and is Brian is adhereing to the lovely but not very realistic ideal, of trying to rationally sit down and communicate with these fascists fanatics and turn the other cheek.
Look, I ABHOR violence and war. And yes, the USA (which I am from) and many western nations are as Brian says ''imperialistic, arrogant''.
But...that is NO reason, EVER to cowardly butcher innocent men, women and children and on that I totally disagree with Brian.
If you have a problem with our government, fine, talk to our government. That is WHY the Western nations have the United Nations and diplomats and embassies around the world.
And if you want to fight. Do so with honor. In combat with soldiers. Not launching ''terrorist'' attacks on women and children, on civilians, on civil
**Fri 08 JUl 05**
THE BOMBINGS IN LONDON
Q: What is the definition of an idiot ?
A: Someone who keeps on doing the same thing, and expects a different result.
I sense there is a mood of quiet resolve among the people I speak to. We are feeling that we must not go any further down the road of escalation .... this is old stuff, but I personally feel that in the wake of 9/11 an opportunity was missed .... to seek understanding rather than revenge. The Nelson Mandela way. I do not subscribe to this "War on Terrorism" slogan. I believe we have a need to secure a peaceful world for our children, and that it cannot be done by exerting our muscle internationally. It sure hasn't worked yet, has it?! It must be done by adjusting OUR behaviour; we must stop playing "Cowboys and Indians" - a self-damning phrase if ever there was one. I no longer believe we are the good guys. We must earn this view of ourselves, and start recognising that there are other legitimate views of the world than ours.
I'm afraid the comet-smashing philosophy is to blame ! Maybe I'm overdoing this, but there is a kind of arrogance that goes with this, which makes us dangerous....
Every time I fly (which is almost almost every day right now !) I walk past the conspicuous plastic case of confiscated nail clippers and tiny scissors, and think to myself ..."are we really fooling ourselves that by doing this we are making our world safe? " Yesterday in London must have shown us that we have no hope of solving the "Terrorist Problem" with this kind of sticking plaster. So where do we go from here ? Search everyone before they go on a bus? On a tube train ? Walking down the street? This is the road to insanity .... a climate of fear, which, sadly, the USA is already experiencing. It's time we attacked the cause rather than the symptoms. I want to see our politicians answer the question "WHY?" WHY do people hate us this much? What can we do to change this? It's no use thinking we are dealing with a small bunch of maniacs, as seems to be the popular view, who need to be "stamped out". The reality is we are looking at a large number of entire countries of people to whom the American (and English) flag is a symbol of evil. Of selfishness and bullying imperialist aggression. THIS is what we must address. This is what we owe it to our children to do. In my opinion.
Bri
I agree with some and only a little of the thought and intention of what Brian said.
But...Brian's thoughts on the way to deal with it, and how he sees things idealically, but WHAT these fanatics are in reality, I TOTALLY don't.
I am no cynic, but Brian is looking at things from a rose colored glasses view like these are rational humane people that will sit down to a peaceful, diplomatic dialogue.
Basically...Brian said that the capitalistic nations, the USA, the UK, Western nations, etc...are in effect arrogant, too full of themselves and brought this hate on themselves.
That's like saying a woman who wears provacative clothing brings a rape on herself...how archaic.
He says fighting fire with fire is wrong..and is Brian is adhereing to the lovely but not very realistic ideal, of trying to rationally sit down and communicate with these fascists fanatics and turn the other cheek.
Look, I ABHOR violence and war. And yes, the USA (which I am from) and many western nations are as Brian says ''imperialistic, arrogant''.
But...that is NO reason, EVER to cowardly butcher innocent men, women and children and on that I totally disagree with Brian.
If you have a problem with our government, fine, talk to our government. That is WHY the Western nations have the United Nations and diplomats and embassies around the world.
And if you want to fight. Do so with honor. In combat with soldiers. Not launching ''terrorist'' attacks on women and children, on civilians, on civil
The problem Arlene, is not whether you are right or wrong, but in a few months time, this sort of debate will be outlawed in the UK under a new citation to hate legislation.
This is what annoys me - the politcal correctness gone mad. The brutal, evil attacks on London on Thursday will leave many mourning, hurt, angry and ofcourse will leave some seeking justice or revenge.
But while these evil bast*rds cowardly leave explosive packages on civilian buses, the worst thing to do, (IMO) is to curtail my freedom of speech, so that my accusation of evil, is considered to be just as unlawful.
My point is that nothing can ever be resolved if at first, we are not permitted to air such views.
This is what annoys me - the politcal correctness gone mad. The brutal, evil attacks on London on Thursday will leave many mourning, hurt, angry and ofcourse will leave some seeking justice or revenge.
But while these evil bast*rds cowardly leave explosive packages on civilian buses, the worst thing to do, (IMO) is to curtail my freedom of speech, so that my accusation of evil, is considered to be just as unlawful.
My point is that nothing can ever be resolved if at first, we are not permitted to air such views.
Citation to hate legislation? Please explain this to me and hopefully tell me that has not yet been enacted.
Rip Van Winkle: Citation to hate legislation? Please explain this to me and hopefully tell me that has not yet been enacted.
Basically, in the UK, it will be a criminal offence to say anything which could be veiwed prejudicial against someone's race or religion - as this offence may be construed as incitement.
As (PC) usual, the largest group of targeted criminals will be the indiginous UK male - who may be imprisoned for such serious offences as reciting a Muslim joke, while on the other hand, certain extremists, from all religious factions, will still be able to freely spout hate at spots like Hyde Park corner - free from any molestation.
Below I have pasted some links from Google, but let me express in the strongest terms - I am NOT a religious person, so the bottom Christian viewpoint is NOT my own - I only include it so that the overall information provided is both well-rounded and complete.
As usual - it is up to the individual to draw their own conclusions.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4075442.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3871867.stm
http://www.barnabasfund.org/News/ITRHC/about_ITRHC.htm
Basically, in the UK, it will be a criminal offence to say anything which could be veiwed prejudicial against someone's race or religion - as this offence may be construed as incitement.
As (PC) usual, the largest group of targeted criminals will be the indiginous UK male - who may be imprisoned for such serious offences as reciting a Muslim joke, while on the other hand, certain extremists, from all religious factions, will still be able to freely spout hate at spots like Hyde Park corner - free from any molestation.
Below I have pasted some links from Google, but let me express in the strongest terms - I am NOT a religious person, so the bottom Christian viewpoint is NOT my own - I only include it so that the overall information provided is both well-rounded and complete.
As usual - it is up to the individual to draw their own conclusions.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4075442.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3871867.stm
http://www.barnabasfund.org/News/ITRHC/about_ITRHC.htm
Arlene, you wrote in your usual beautiful language exactly how I feel, word by word.
I totally disagree with Brian. I'll take it further and say that I actually feel disgusted. So he's just like all those idiots who will preach peace and love, since this certainly does no harm to their image. They have no guts, no convictions. All they do is sing, party, and pretend they do it to raise awareness for the problems of the world...This from their safe homes, and with billions in their bank accounts.
This to me is pure hypocrisy. So Brian is one of those jerks who will blame the very culture that gave them fame and fortune, wealth, comforts...If they lived in Africa, like you said, would they enjoy the same luxury? No, dear. If they lived in the countries they seem to appreciate more than their fatherland, they probably would have been arrested by now just because there's a "fuck" in their lyrics.
Brian, fucking hypocrit. You're just like R.E.M., who go to Cuba and praise Castro. If they lived in Cuba, their lead singer would be in jail just because he's gay.
Stop being hypocrits everyone. You are benefiting from capitalism, and you are benefiting from the brave soldiers who are fighting for us, while you have your asses comfortably resting on your chairs and sit at the PC chatting of Queen and on the problems of the world (me included, of course). I'm not a brave person. But at least I have the humility to acknowledge that there are braver people around who are risking their lives to defend me.
The rest is just hot air. Nice words which everybody likes but which have become empty.
Tolerance must be taught. Hate must be eradicated. But like John says, what do we do in the meantime??
I'm sick with hypocrits just as much as I am of the terrorists...Because hhypocrits actually help the terrorists. Brian does too.
I think Freddie would never have made such a statement. He always said politics should not enter music. At least he would have kept his mouth shot. If he had lived in Iraq, Freddie would have been tortured just because he was a gayman. I'm sure he knew that, and knew better than to criticize the culture that gave him fame.
Fairy
I totally disagree with Brian. I'll take it further and say that I actually feel disgusted. So he's just like all those idiots who will preach peace and love, since this certainly does no harm to their image. They have no guts, no convictions. All they do is sing, party, and pretend they do it to raise awareness for the problems of the world...This from their safe homes, and with billions in their bank accounts.
This to me is pure hypocrisy. So Brian is one of those jerks who will blame the very culture that gave them fame and fortune, wealth, comforts...If they lived in Africa, like you said, would they enjoy the same luxury? No, dear. If they lived in the countries they seem to appreciate more than their fatherland, they probably would have been arrested by now just because there's a "fuck" in their lyrics.
Brian, fucking hypocrit. You're just like R.E.M., who go to Cuba and praise Castro. If they lived in Cuba, their lead singer would be in jail just because he's gay.
Stop being hypocrits everyone. You are benefiting from capitalism, and you are benefiting from the brave soldiers who are fighting for us, while you have your asses comfortably resting on your chairs and sit at the PC chatting of Queen and on the problems of the world (me included, of course). I'm not a brave person. But at least I have the humility to acknowledge that there are braver people around who are risking their lives to defend me.
The rest is just hot air. Nice words which everybody likes but which have become empty.
Tolerance must be taught. Hate must be eradicated. But like John says, what do we do in the meantime??
I'm sick with hypocrits just as much as I am of the terrorists...Because hhypocrits actually help the terrorists. Brian does too.
I think Freddie would never have made such a statement. He always said politics should not enter music. At least he would have kept his mouth shot. If he had lived in Iraq, Freddie would have been tortured just because he was a gayman. I'm sure he knew that, and knew better than to criticize the culture that gave him fame.
Fairy