just f*ckin shut up as*hole! no one really wants to know your opinion!
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I think we should see it in a different light.
When farmers hang up rats and mice on their fences they do it as a display to scare other vermin.
The Met shoot an unarmed Brazilian five times in a comparable display. No innocent bugger is going to do a runner again.
Lets face it Johnny Foreigner better learn the language if he wants to visit this country.
And about time too.
When farmers hang up rats and mice on their fences they do it as a display to scare other vermin.
The Met shoot an unarmed Brazilian five times in a comparable display. No innocent bugger is going to do a runner again.
Lets face it Johnny Foreigner better learn the language if he wants to visit this country.
And about time too.
my two ideas regarding this mess :
1)how about if police ride on all UK trains, overground and underground ?
2)how about if people are searched before and after getting on trains and leaving/arriving stations?
sorry fella - but
1. the police bill would make his impossible - the cost would be so high
2. the trains already run late - how bad would this make things? trains running two hours late instead of 1 hour? great
And how much is that gonna cost? And whos gonna pay? Muggins here, thats fucking who. Why not send the buggers back, or just arm all police with guns. That will solve everything. Gypsies got guns and they do alright. You dont see anny trouble at fairs.
why don't you fuck off and die, cretin!!!
Apparently the victim has lived in the UK for three years and is said to have had good English. The Metropolitan Police are operating a shoot-to-kill policy and where suicide bombers are concerned it's head first as any disabling shots could still enable them to detonate a bomb, or the Police themselves could detonate a bomb by shooting at the body. It's a tragic turn of events, yes, but he must have seen the news and been aware that the Police were all over London like a rash, and it appears he should have understood the words "Stop or I'll shoot" or whatever it is they're supposed to say. The Police are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
If there's anything positive to be taken from this, then perhaps any would-be jokers, nutters or hoaxers will think twice.
If there's anything positive to be taken from this, then perhaps any would-be jokers, nutters or hoaxers will think twice.
Apparently the victim has lived in the UK for three years and is said to have had good English. The Metropolitan Police are operating a shoot-to-kill policy and where suicide bombers are concerned it's head first as any disabling shots could still enable them to detonate a bomb, or the Police themselves could detonate a bomb by shooting at the body. It's a tragic turn of events, yes, but he must have seen the news and been aware that the Police were all over London like a rash, and it appears he should have understood the words "Stop or I'll shoot" or whatever it is they're supposed to say. The Police are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
Judging by the fact that his friend wouldn't say why he was running from the police, it's a safe bet to say that he had done something criminal. However, the official policy for very few crimes in Britain is to shoot to suspect...
I don't know how many people live in the building which was under surveillance (10? 1000?), but there was very little chance he would have known he was suspected of terrorism, and at the worst he expected to be shot in the leg after the warnings!
That's one of the stories the terrorists have wanted. What they have been up to is to cause terror and dreadful disorder in people's mind. I feel much anxiety about it.
Now, according to the BBC, it would appear that this guy has an out-of-date student visa which would possibly explain why he ran.
well id have shot him...and im sure if u could ask the guy(s) that did they would tell u that they would do the same again tomorrow if they needed to
im sorry but you dont run from a guy shouting 'ARMED POLICE, STOP OR YOU WILL BE SHOT DEAD'
especially now...
Kev x
im sorry but you dont run from a guy shouting 'ARMED POLICE, STOP OR YOU WILL BE SHOT DEAD'
especially now...
Kev x
It's not acceptable, but you have to distinguish between the "Bush/Blair way of dealing with terror" and this unfortunate incident.
Do you really think Blair ordered the London police to shoot to kill any suspicious person?
One would think these attacks would cause you (anti-war-in-Iraq people) to wake up and realize what kind of world you live in, but apparently even 30+ dead aren't enough.
So maybe they should FIND and kill Osama and Saddam instead of killing innocent people?
And please read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow#Terrorism this is about the city where I do live for whole my life, do I still need to wake up and realize something? And yes, I'm one of those anti-war-in-Iraq people
And that's for you too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis - this place is in my country, this happened in my country, so I know what terrorism is!
Bin Laden lives in caves in Arab countries, is very rich and has an army that protects him. It's not like he's around the corner and the Americans can just catch him. If the Americans go into every Arab country they suspect he's in you'll just scream and shout "Invasion! Conquest! Oil!".
There's a difference between knowing terror and understanding terror. You can't fight terror with treaties and agreements. IT DOESN'T WORK. And yes, you SHOULD wake up and realize 'something', because the US got Saddam out of power. The man killed millions of his own people, whether it was secretly or by public executions, and now he's gone. 4,200 innocent lives are spared every month. That wouldn't be the case if the US went your way. If the US leaves now, before democracy is established in Iraq, a new tyran will rise.
And now, regarding your pathetic attempt of starting a competition about the loss of human lives...
Before linking to Wikipedia and trying to teach ME about terror, maybe you should read Wikipedia yourself and see who has been the greatest supporter of Muslim countries (including Iran) since the dawn of days... Yes, your homeland, Russia.
Following the same despicable tone you used, allow me to link you to the following Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Israeli_conflict
...yeah, and this is about the country which helped Bin Laden to became who became.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Afghan_Jihad
And this photo shows you who's been another (except Russia) friend of Saddam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Donald_saddam.jpg
(if you can't recognize him - I'd tell you - this is Donald Rumsfeld)
American (and not only) young guys now are dying in Iraq for nothing and you're sitting in your home tell the world how many people were killed by Saddam's orders....
And I'm talking in 'pathetic way' because I lose my friend in one of those terrorist attacks in Moscow and I lose my friends who were soldiers and fought in Chechnya and I KNOW and UNDERSTAND much better than most of you what terrorism and war is!
If my words offended you - I'm sorry, but since I live in the city where terrorist attacks are usually like rain in London - I couldn't resist to tell my opinion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Afghan_Jihad
And this photo shows you who's been another (except Russia) friend of Saddam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Donald_saddam.jpg
(if you can't recognize him - I'd tell you - this is Donald Rumsfeld)
American (and not only) young guys now are dying in Iraq for nothing and you're sitting in your home tell the world how many people were killed by Saddam's orders....
And I'm talking in 'pathetic way' because I lose my friend in one of those terrorist attacks in Moscow and I lose my friends who were soldiers and fought in Chechnya and I KNOW and UNDERSTAND much better than most of you what terrorism and war is!
If my words offended you - I'm sorry, but since I live in the city where terrorist attacks are usually like rain in London - I couldn't resist to tell my opinion.
When people actions are rulled by fear that`s what can happen!! Probably if we were one of those policemen we would do exactly the same. Would you take any chances? Those policemen can`t afford to be against war on terrorism anymore because they are part of the system. We can say what we want about Bush/Blair, and i agree with you about that, but this guys have no option at all! They follow orders, and they are being fuelled with information by their intelligence services that you don`t even dream about.
It´s hard to deal with pressure, because wether you like or not, they can`t take any risks! Imagine what would it be like, if instead of shooting a guy, they just let him run for a packed area and then he explodes and kills another 10 or 20. What would be the public reaction? They would start to get a feeling of insecurity.
It`s difficult to judge this situation because when you see a suspect of a suicidal bomber you can`t let this guy put his hand in the pocket (like we see in the movies) to get his ID or to let them now he`s not armed.
So, what would you do?
Throughout Europe the Police has detected and desarmed terrorists that were about to do their actions. When this happens it`s top secret because authorities don`t want to alarm people.
I am against war in Iraque and all kinds of terrorism attacks! But nowadays i really don`t know how to react because there is a lots of information that i don`t have access, wich would allow me to have a brighter opinion.
One thing i can say:
We all saw what kind of liberty Al-Qaeda wants for their people. The political regime of Afgenistan was very, very hard. I mean no TV, no music, no arts whatsoever (they even destroyed the Budas(?)statues. People would lived by fear 24/7. Imagine what would be like for you to see a soldier raping your mother or sister just because he wants to, or kills your father for some stupid reason. In that regime you couldn`t do nothing.
But the funny thing is that this guys at Al-Qaeda wants to freedom their people (at least thats what they say), and for some reason people buy this kind of bulshit! Well, they`re the ones who treated their people like animals (even worst), what they really want is to get their asses in the power again and do wathever they want without the occidentals pissing them off!!
Well, as a global society that we bacame, we can`t allow such things. Their problem is our problem too, no one likes to be treated like an animal and we must help each other whathever they are, because it could be us in their situation!!
War on Iraque was bad, but what other way would we have to put Saddam out of power? you can say, thats their problem, and i say NO, that`s everybody problem (when a guy receives 99,6% of votes in a military country you know that anything has to be donne). To see the every day news and feel sorry for them wouldn`t help too. The easyest thing to do is say that they vote for him because they liked him.
I allways like to put myself in their place so i can feel (or try to) what would be like if it was me in their situation.
The Occident needs to change their behaviour towards African countries and the rest of the world. But they have to insure that human rights are going to be respected,and this is a comitment to their citizens other than their liders, because how can you respect a lider that doesn`t respect human lives?
So, when Al-Qaeda said that the 9/11 was for the poor palistinian children, and bla bla... I don`t buy it, cause they don`t have nay credibillity whatsoever in what concerns to human rights.
Take care
It´s hard to deal with pressure, because wether you like or not, they can`t take any risks! Imagine what would it be like, if instead of shooting a guy, they just let him run for a packed area and then he explodes and kills another 10 or 20. What would be the public reaction? They would start to get a feeling of insecurity.
It`s difficult to judge this situation because when you see a suspect of a suicidal bomber you can`t let this guy put his hand in the pocket (like we see in the movies) to get his ID or to let them now he`s not armed.
So, what would you do?
Throughout Europe the Police has detected and desarmed terrorists that were about to do their actions. When this happens it`s top secret because authorities don`t want to alarm people.
I am against war in Iraque and all kinds of terrorism attacks! But nowadays i really don`t know how to react because there is a lots of information that i don`t have access, wich would allow me to have a brighter opinion.
One thing i can say:
We all saw what kind of liberty Al-Qaeda wants for their people. The political regime of Afgenistan was very, very hard. I mean no TV, no music, no arts whatsoever (they even destroyed the Budas(?)statues. People would lived by fear 24/7. Imagine what would be like for you to see a soldier raping your mother or sister just because he wants to, or kills your father for some stupid reason. In that regime you couldn`t do nothing.
But the funny thing is that this guys at Al-Qaeda wants to freedom their people (at least thats what they say), and for some reason people buy this kind of bulshit! Well, they`re the ones who treated their people like animals (even worst), what they really want is to get their asses in the power again and do wathever they want without the occidentals pissing them off!!
Well, as a global society that we bacame, we can`t allow such things. Their problem is our problem too, no one likes to be treated like an animal and we must help each other whathever they are, because it could be us in their situation!!
War on Iraque was bad, but what other way would we have to put Saddam out of power? you can say, thats their problem, and i say NO, that`s everybody problem (when a guy receives 99,6% of votes in a military country you know that anything has to be donne). To see the every day news and feel sorry for them wouldn`t help too. The easyest thing to do is say that they vote for him because they liked him.
I allways like to put myself in their place so i can feel (or try to) what would be like if it was me in their situation.
The Occident needs to change their behaviour towards African countries and the rest of the world. But they have to insure that human rights are going to be respected,and this is a comitment to their citizens other than their liders, because how can you respect a lider that doesn`t respect human lives?
So, when Al-Qaeda said that the 9/11 was for the poor palistinian children, and bla bla... I don`t buy it, cause they don`t have nay credibillity whatsoever in what concerns to human rights.
Take care
...yeah, and this is about the country which helped Bin Laden to became who became.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Afghan_Jihad
And this photo shows you who's been another (except Russia) friend of Saddam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Donald_saddam.jpg
(if you can't recognize him - I'd tell you - this is Donald Rumsfeld)
American (and not only) young guys now are dying in Iraq for nothing and you're sitting in your home tell the world how many people were killed by Saddam's orders....
And I'm talking in 'pathetic way' because I lose my friend in one of those terrorist attacks in Moscow and I lose my friends who were soldiers and fought in Chechnya and I KNOW and UNDERSTAND much better than most of you what terrorism and war is!
If my words offended you - I'm sorry, but since I live in the city where terrorist attacks are usually like rain in London - I couldn't resist to tell my opinion.
I live in Israel, so I understand terror as well, perhaps more than you do. It's a well known fact America helped Bin Laden & Saddam in the past. But once their true nature was discovered, America fought them. The same, as much as you'd like it, cannot be said about Russia. Russia continues to provide tanks, missiles, guns, grenades and what-not to countries like Syria, which were warned by the UN security council for their supportive actions towards terror organization such as the Hizbollah. If Russia really wanted terrorism to be a thing of the past, it wouldn't support countries such as Syria.
You sit at home just like me, but there's a little difference. Exactly one year from now I will already be enlisted in the army, helping to fight terror... Will you? And what makes you think every second family in my country, Israel, hasn't been hurt by terror in some way?
I'm just thinking out loud here, do you think you can compromise with terrorist Chechens, or do you think they should be captured/eliminated/killed?
I don't really know what happened, but if the guy was asked to STOP several times and he was innocent, then why didn't he stop at the right moment? Perhaps he couldn't speak english, but when cops are calling you, you know that they want you to either stop or come to them .
I was watching TV, and one of the victim´s friends or family (I don´t remember precisely which) said it wasn´t possible that he didn´t understand the cop´s english, because he spoke and understood the english language perfectly.
Actually I'm a former officer of Russian army, I'm Lietunant...
Well, anyway - yes, we did mistakes, yes, we're still doing mistakes - does it mean that everyone should repeat them? No.
About Chechnya - I think we need to give them freedom and forget about them, without wars, without anything like that.
Well, anyway - yes, we did mistakes, yes, we're still doing mistakes - does it mean that everyone should repeat them? No.
About Chechnya - I think we need to give them freedom and forget about them, without wars, without anything like that.