Barb - to be honest (even if I was fit enough to run LMAO) I wouldn't run. If they shouted at me to stop, I would stop. Firearms are illegal in the UK and our ordinary poilce are not armed either. If I saw a person in plain clothes openly carrying a weapon I would assume he was a police officer. I can't outrun a 9mm bullet.
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I can't outrun a 9mm bullet.
Good point, actually...
I don't know- he didn't stop. But it's a huge price to pay for stupidity here... Not sure if I feel comfortable with a police feeling free to put me down to the ground and shot five times into my head just in case... Having said that- I think I would have stopped, but... Imagine police is calling you for whatever reason, you're running after train and... are listening to iPod and obviously- don't hear the policeman...
That is a 'what if' scenario and it's already been decided on page 1 we can't use them as examples.
'According to that logic the Nazi Regime was democratic because the overwhelming majority was in favour of it. Human Rights cannot be voted away by an emotionalised public. It's the strength of a free, liberal and democratic society that Human Rights are ALWAYS observed. If you think it's okay that policemen kill unarmed and innocent suspects you give up your own right to be protected against assaults by the state.'
If the Nazi regime was voted for by the majority of the population then indeed it was democratic - that doesn't make it a morally correct decision though.
Human Rights went out of the window, as far as I am concerned, the day 56 people were killed. What about my Human Rights to walk the streets, take the bus or tube without fear of being killed or maimed (Okay, I'm in Sheffield but you get my point). Tony Blair summed it up this afternoon: 9/11 was a wake up call, unfortunately some people turned over and went back to sleep.
If the Nazi regime was voted for by the majority of the population then indeed it was democratic - that doesn't make it a morally correct decision though.
Human Rights went out of the window, as far as I am concerned, the day 56 people were killed. What about my Human Rights to walk the streets, take the bus or tube without fear of being killed or maimed (Okay, I'm in Sheffield but you get my point). Tony Blair summed it up this afternoon: 9/11 was a wake up call, unfortunately some people turned over and went back to sleep.
You can refer to it in any way you want, you can claim a conflict started on year X while it actually started on year Y and you can deny a war even existed. That still doesn't make you right, or polite, for that matter.
There were terror acts against Jews in the 20s, the Arabs did have representatives of their own at the conference which was organized by the British, there was an Arab revolt called The Great Uprising in 1936 towarded against the British mandate and the Jewish economy, there was a war in 1948 between the newly-born Israel and Arab countries, and anything you say won't change that, because these are FACTS.
I'm not even going to supply additional proofs, since you can pursue information on your own. And again, I don't like your tone, so I'm not going to continue this conversation any longer.
There were terror acts against Jews in the 20s, the Arabs did have representatives of their own at the conference which was organized by the British, there was an Arab revolt called The Great Uprising in 1936 towarded against the British mandate and the Jewish economy, there was a war in 1948 between the newly-born Israel and Arab countries, and anything you say won't change that, because these are FACTS.
I'm not even going to supply additional proofs, since you can pursue information on your own. And again, I don't like your tone, so I'm not going to continue this conversation any longer.
Human Rights cannot be voted away by an emotionalised public. It's the strength of a free, liberal and democratic society that Human Rights are ALWAYS observed. If you think it's okay that policemen kill unarmed and innocent suspects you give up your own right to be protected against assaults by the state.
- very well put indeed. And to those who are saying he was shot because he ran, this is incorrect. He was shot AFTER he was overpowered. This was an execution.
I find it interesting that most people seem to think that because of one attack on London, and one attempted attack, it is necessary to be this drastic, and yet after all the years of people over here in Northern Ireland being blown to bits, we are meant to accept the fact that the killers have been released from jail early to continue their illegal activities, and some of them are even in our government. Maybe Londoners lives are more valuable than ours.
does anyone believe that Anne Bolynne (sp) still walks the bloody tower with her head tucked under her arm???
And why would the fact that there were anti-Jewish sentiments in the 20th century justify Jewish oppression of the Palestines in the 21st?
Would you like me to shoot some Germans, because they murdered 6 million Jews in WWII? That's the same thing, you know.
You said the conflict started in the late 40s. I said it didn't. You said history teachers and books are behind you. I proved you wrong, but you're desperate so you're ignoring the original purpose of my previous post. It wasn't supposed to "justify" any so-called oppression.
As I demonstarted earlier, this is not an oppression. The Palestinians are not citizens of Israel, and they have the Palestinian authority to take care of them. We only go into Gaza, Ramallah and so on when we need to arrest terrorists. If there weren't any teorrorists - there wouldn't be any arrests.
We only go into Gaza, Ramallah and so on when we need to arrest terrorists.
Bad argument actually... "We only go into Poland, France, Russia, UK when we need to kill guys who doesn't like us"...
We only go into Gaza, Ramallah and so on when we need to arrest terrorists.
Bad argument actually... "We only go into Poland, France, Russia, UK when we need to kill guys who doesn't like us"...
The Palestinian authority has an autonomy on certain territories, but we still have the legal right of entering them to defend ourselves. That's in the agreements we both signed. They get autonomy in certain fields and don't get it in other fields. You have to understand, the Palestinians don't have a state yet, so when they do you can say we're not allowed to arrest terrorists.
So give them complete and full autonomy then!
And as I wrote this "we still have the legal right of entering them to defend ourselves" is something what my country (USSR) did in the past and how it was explained! After such enterances the whole world called us as an evil country, though your country and USA do the same things still, but that's okay... That's wrong, IMHO.
And as I wrote this "we still have the legal right of entering them to defend ourselves" is something what my country (USSR) did in the past and how it was explained! After such enterances the whole world called us as an evil country, though your country and USA do the same things still, but that's okay... That's wrong, IMHO.
So give them complete and full autonomy then!
And as I wrote this "we still have the legal right of entering them to defend ourselves" is something what my country (USSR) did in the past and how it was explained! After such enterances the whole world called us as an evil country, though your country and USA do the same things still, but that's okay... That's wrong, IMHO.
We don't mind giving them full autonomy, even their own state, but they have to stop using terror first. That's a condition we will never ever give up.
no thomas, comic relief is your comments to everyone who dosent agree with you in the form of nazi accusing and nazi accusing accesseries.
you use the word nazi like fat people use hambergers to forget the boredom in their lives.
maybe if you didnt have so much hatred and 50 chips on your shoulder, your tree loving hippie ass would actually listen to someone insted of trying to save a moth or something, maybe you would see that there are people, like you, have opinions that are valid in their minds, and to them they are just as right as you feel you are with your beliefs.if you didnt spend all yout time busting down everyones post and breaking it down word for word and putting it to YOUR satifaction, you might realize that that there is a real non perfect world out there that we are all part of.people like guy and bob are only giving their facts and beliefs, and you tear it apart cause it dosnt meet your agenda, when will it stop, once the world becomes a bush hating terrist supporting russia winning ww2 believing anit -government everything getting our ass out of iraq, palistine. isreal,ireland,tatoonee,easter island, and wonderland so that thomas can than be happy and save a tree or something like that existence.
so please, before you start downing everyone for their political statements, look at your own nazi accusing racist ass and your beliefs,and than see where the real comic relief is
HIPPIE
oh, by the way, i really dont agree with everyones opinions, i just value them, but i rather agree to with them to know that im disagreeing with you
now go ahead and break down this post..please, than we will know for the next 20 minutes, your rebellious,terrist acting, calling everyone nazis ass will be occupied so the world will once again be at peace to live and breath again
p.s.--have a happy day
you use the word nazi like fat people use hambergers to forget the boredom in their lives.
maybe if you didnt have so much hatred and 50 chips on your shoulder, your tree loving hippie ass would actually listen to someone insted of trying to save a moth or something, maybe you would see that there are people, like you, have opinions that are valid in their minds, and to them they are just as right as you feel you are with your beliefs.if you didnt spend all yout time busting down everyones post and breaking it down word for word and putting it to YOUR satifaction, you might realize that that there is a real non perfect world out there that we are all part of.people like guy and bob are only giving their facts and beliefs, and you tear it apart cause it dosnt meet your agenda, when will it stop, once the world becomes a bush hating terrist supporting russia winning ww2 believing anit -government everything getting our ass out of iraq, palistine. isreal,ireland,tatoonee,easter island, and wonderland so that thomas can than be happy and save a tree or something like that existence.
so please, before you start downing everyone for their political statements, look at your own nazi accusing racist ass and your beliefs,and than see where the real comic relief is
HIPPIE
oh, by the way, i really dont agree with everyones opinions, i just value them, but i rather agree to with them to know that im disagreeing with you
now go ahead and break down this post..please, than we will know for the next 20 minutes, your rebellious,terrist acting, calling everyone nazis ass will be occupied so the world will once again be at peace to live and breath again
p.s.--have a happy day
Munches on popcorn ...
In my mind, the execution of the Brazilian was unnecessary. He was prone and evidently under complete control of the police. I understand and sympathize with the police, but they are professionals and should be held to a higher standard.
Hypothetically, I believe shooting the Brazilian just before he entered the train would have been justified and "could" have saved many lives if he had a bomb.
However, the cold blooded shooting of the Brazilian after he was subdued can not be justified as the correct action.
However, it is possible that some small leniency could be considered for the "guilty" cops, as they were in a potential life or death situation, but they should not get off with a slap on the wrist.
Hypothetically, I believe shooting the Brazilian just before he entered the train would have been justified and "could" have saved many lives if he had a bomb.
However, the cold blooded shooting of the Brazilian after he was subdued can not be justified as the correct action.
However, it is possible that some small leniency could be considered for the "guilty" cops, as they were in a potential life or death situation, but they should not get off with a slap on the wrist.