John is dead, the rest of the band thought it was too painful to include him in the DVD :P
yes, that is why we can see Freddie mostly, to forget the dead one........
yes, that is why we can see Freddie mostly, to forget the dead one........
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yes, that is why we can see Freddie mostly, to forget the dead one........
I would like to spend some words about our John.
First of all I don't think he was cut out at all, mostly it depends from the show director.
If you take Live at Wembley 86, Live at the Earls Court or any Queen promotional video and pics you have to notice that he got the same space of his mates if not more except for Freddie of course.
Anyway I never seen him cut off even if he got less shots but I would say that's a common thing when you are talking about bass players which tends to stay in the background (JPJ, Entwistle, Glover, Rutherford and many others)though John wasn't in the shadow during the Magic Tour at least.
I'll never share the fact frontmen and guitarist get many shots live even if I could understand it cause I love bass and watching bassists playing (I must admit John is my favourite Queen member so I really enjoy seeing him).
As for Deaky skills I think there are no doubts about his greatness when he had plenty of awesome and beautiful basslines; he could also play anything, being him great to keep the rhythm and very good to overplay too when the song needs it of course and don't forget he was able to play fast as hell or in a more melodic and tasteful way as well.
He was a good songwriter and a stylish, refined classic bassist.
Now, talking of the charisma thing I wouldn't say he hadn't, maybe many people don't know what that word means but John is a charismatic person in his own way.
We all know he doesn't like the star system so much cause he liked more the family and his private life but we are talking about the major liable for Queen richness considering studio works and live tours (it's not that Queen never made money with other tours, because they would be stupid to tour and lose lots of money with it. But the reason they never made lots of profits untill the Magic Tour was that they always had such big shows. Lots of crew to pay, lots of huge stadiums, lots of lights, lots of instruments, lots of trucks and so on. Touring is very expensive).
Even the other members admitted he was the perfect one to give the right balance to the band allowing their worldwide success.
After all Freddie called him the real band's leader he would have his good reasons to do it.
Cheers!
First of all I don't think he was cut out at all, mostly it depends from the show director.
If you take Live at Wembley 86, Live at the Earls Court or any Queen promotional video and pics you have to notice that he got the same space of his mates if not more except for Freddie of course.
Anyway I never seen him cut off even if he got less shots but I would say that's a common thing when you are talking about bass players which tends to stay in the background (JPJ, Entwistle, Glover, Rutherford and many others)though John wasn't in the shadow during the Magic Tour at least.
I'll never share the fact frontmen and guitarist get many shots live even if I could understand it cause I love bass and watching bassists playing (I must admit John is my favourite Queen member so I really enjoy seeing him).
As for Deaky skills I think there are no doubts about his greatness when he had plenty of awesome and beautiful basslines; he could also play anything, being him great to keep the rhythm and very good to overplay too when the song needs it of course and don't forget he was able to play fast as hell or in a more melodic and tasteful way as well.
He was a good songwriter and a stylish, refined classic bassist.
Now, talking of the charisma thing I wouldn't say he hadn't, maybe many people don't know what that word means but John is a charismatic person in his own way.
We all know he doesn't like the star system so much cause he liked more the family and his private life but we are talking about the major liable for Queen richness considering studio works and live tours (it's not that Queen never made money with other tours, because they would be stupid to tour and lose lots of money with it. But the reason they never made lots of profits untill the Magic Tour was that they always had such big shows. Lots of crew to pay, lots of huge stadiums, lots of lights, lots of instruments, lots of trucks and so on. Touring is very expensive).
Even the other members admitted he was the perfect one to give the right balance to the band allowing their worldwide success.
After all Freddie called him the real band's leader he would have his good reasons to do it.
Cheers!
John cut himself out...of everything.
I take the piss out of my bands bassist all the time for being a shit guitar player - theres that joke:
How many bassists does it take to change a lightbulb?
One - but the guitarist has to show him how to do it first!
But the simple fact is - take out the bass, and theres a huge hole in the music, proven by the time we jammed without him.
Bassists are vital to a band - equally with guitar, drums and vocals - take any away and Im sure you'll notice it. lol.
As for their ability as guitarists....a lot of bassists will happily admit they took up bass because they were shit at guitar, but that doesnt mean all, and I think that its an overtold joke really.
On topic however - I dont think John's been cut out, but concert wise, put simply, bassists dont always have the most visually attractive job - its not always as interesting to watch as the other band members, from an action point of view; and excluding songs like AOBTD and UP theres usually more exciting guitar, vocal, and drum moments in tunes that people want to watch -its a matter of following the action.
Otherwise it'd be like filming a teams goalkeeper whilst a foward is taking a penalty at the other end.
How many bassists does it take to change a lightbulb?
One - but the guitarist has to show him how to do it first!
But the simple fact is - take out the bass, and theres a huge hole in the music, proven by the time we jammed without him.
Bassists are vital to a band - equally with guitar, drums and vocals - take any away and Im sure you'll notice it. lol.
As for their ability as guitarists....a lot of bassists will happily admit they took up bass because they were shit at guitar, but that doesnt mean all, and I think that its an overtold joke really.
On topic however - I dont think John's been cut out, but concert wise, put simply, bassists dont always have the most visually attractive job - its not always as interesting to watch as the other band members, from an action point of view; and excluding songs like AOBTD and UP theres usually more exciting guitar, vocal, and drum moments in tunes that people want to watch -its a matter of following the action.
Otherwise it'd be like filming a teams goalkeeper whilst a foward is taking a penalty at the other end.
As I read the last 4 pages, I think that there are some frustrated guitarists in here. Fuck you if you think that the bassist is a failed guitarist. Michael Anthony, John Deacon, John Paul Jones, Tom Peterson, Phil Lesh, Mike Gordon and on and on. Myself as well. 26 years of playing bass makes me a good bassist. John felt that Queen died with Freddie. The band is not the same with out him and is not the same without John. His bass lines drove the bottom end with Roger. They are the foundation that made the band. Any one difference in the structure of the 4 elements of the band and it is not the same and never will be.
The real Queen fans love John nearly as much as Freddie and truly appreciate the contributions he has made throughout the years...
as for the non real fans, who gives a fuck about them anyway?
as for the non real fans, who gives a fuck about them anyway?
As for the whole John felt Queen died with Freddie issue, I think it was more complicated than that. John had been going through a number of years where he was unsure about life in general, he was never one to seek publicity or fame, but as time went on I think he found it harder and harder to deal with.
Freddies death was the final blow, who knows what might have happened if Freddie had not been sick, it is possible that John might have left the band anyway, and retired after he felt he had done all he could.
He seems to have little love for music anymore, as I don't believe he even gets involved much behind closed doors except for the financial side.
Personally I think he used it as a reason to back out gracefully, and would have possible gone anyway. But I don't think it was the only reason he chooses not to be part of the group.
Freddies death was the final blow, who knows what might have happened if Freddie had not been sick, it is possible that John might have left the band anyway, and retired after he felt he had done all he could.
He seems to have little love for music anymore, as I don't believe he even gets involved much behind closed doors except for the financial side.
Personally I think he used it as a reason to back out gracefully, and would have possible gone anyway. But I don't think it was the only reason he chooses not to be part of the group.
I think when it was the four of them, he felt there was a good balance with him at one end, Fred at the other, and Brian and Roger in the middle. With Fred gone, the balance was gone, and Brian and Roger seem much closer in that middle ground.
I think if Fred hadn't died, even if he couldn't tour, then Queen would still be recording as a four piece. If Fred was still alive and COULD tour, I think they'd still be recording and touring.
I think it's a simple tragedy that we lost Fred, and John felt that once he'd put his part over for Made In Heaven, it wasn't going to be the same again, and left.
And for a long time, even Brian and Roger stayed away from Queen, but as we know, they couldn't resist coming back to it in the end...
I believe that's the long and the short of it. No conspiracy, no cutting out, just John having had enough and leaving Brian and Roger to do what they feel is right (whether John thinks it's right, and we as fans think it's right).
I think if Fred hadn't died, even if he couldn't tour, then Queen would still be recording as a four piece. If Fred was still alive and COULD tour, I think they'd still be recording and touring.
I think it's a simple tragedy that we lost Fred, and John felt that once he'd put his part over for Made In Heaven, it wasn't going to be the same again, and left.
And for a long time, even Brian and Roger stayed away from Queen, but as we know, they couldn't resist coming back to it in the end...
I believe that's the long and the short of it. No conspiracy, no cutting out, just John having had enough and leaving Brian and Roger to do what they feel is right (whether John thinks it's right, and we as fans think it's right).
Yes, John did have some great songs, but not as much as Freddie or Brian. It's just a simple fact
It's not a fact it's your opinion. I like Johns songs better than the one brian wrote.
The bass is the "icing on the cake", although I've personally never had an intrest in playing bass...but it really does kinda make the music sound better!
John bashers can say whatever they want but it's a fact that Queen wouldn't be Queen without John. There really is no need to defend him because everybody knows how much he contributed. One of the many reasons I love Queen so much is how diverse Queen is in their songs. He brought more of an upbeat funky sound to Queen. As Freddie said "You can never call any of the stuff John writes, heavy." Without John there would be no You're My Best Friend, Another One Bites The Dust, I Want To Break Free or Spread Your Wings which is one of my favorites although it didn't have hit status. Sure Queen had many great rock hits but that is all they would be-rock.
Oh yeah, Spread your wings is one of my favorites by John!!! Such a sweet song :)
Another song that I like is Backchat!
Another song that I like is Backchat!
ok computer, thanks for such a great post to that moron on page 2
to play decently bass you need a good technique and it's absolutely a basic instrument on stage....who thinks the contrary simply does not understand anything about music and 99% can't play any instrument.
about bassists: Jaco Pastorius was the greatest bass player EVER and his character was different from quiet John. it's a matter of different people.
about bassists: Jaco Pastorius was the greatest bass player EVER and his character was different from quiet John. it's a matter of different people.
I noticed somebody saying bass was on the way out, and The White Stripes prove a bass isn't needed.
Well, when their most famous guitar riff (Seven Nation Army) is put through an octave divider, 2 octaves below the actual notes played to make a bass sound, and live the bass is cranked up full on certain amps for Jack White, you know its needed.
And without a bassist, what is the drummer emeant to work with. its not Meg White's fault she can't put anything decent to songs on drums, its the lack of a bass.
I am a drummer, and I know. At band practices without bass, it sounds so empty, you really realise how much it is missed.
Plus take Entwistle out of The Who, or Claypool out of Primus, what do you get? A very featherweight, trebly, weak band. They are lead bassists.
Deacon is a foundation bassist, what happens when you remove him? Ah yes, the songs fall to pot, and again, you have treble. So bassists no matter what their band role, are essential to the song, be they synth players, chapman stick bassists, or the average solid bassline provider who improvises a little like Deacon.
Well, when their most famous guitar riff (Seven Nation Army) is put through an octave divider, 2 octaves below the actual notes played to make a bass sound, and live the bass is cranked up full on certain amps for Jack White, you know its needed.
And without a bassist, what is the drummer emeant to work with. its not Meg White's fault she can't put anything decent to songs on drums, its the lack of a bass.
I am a drummer, and I know. At band practices without bass, it sounds so empty, you really realise how much it is missed.
Plus take Entwistle out of The Who, or Claypool out of Primus, what do you get? A very featherweight, trebly, weak band. They are lead bassists.
Deacon is a foundation bassist, what happens when you remove him? Ah yes, the songs fall to pot, and again, you have treble. So bassists no matter what their band role, are essential to the song, be they synth players, chapman stick bassists, or the average solid bassline provider who improvises a little like Deacon.