[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME]FYI, it's never been scientifically determined what part of the body, if any, holds the "soul". So you don't know if she was still in there. And if she was already dead, then what's the big deal? The parents wanted to pay for her, let them pay for her and keep her alive as long as they want. Why take their child out from underneath them and murder her?[/QUOTE]
If she's dead, then we're spending unnecessary money to feed her and keep her alive. But again, the US has spent trillions in Iraq, money which could have healthily fed the entire world for a year, so what difference is one person in a hospital? [/QUOTE]
We're also spending a good deal of money to feed blood-thirsty murderers in prisons. At least Terri wasn't hurting anyone. And, FYI, in Iraq we are rebuilding a country.
[QUOTE] So in the end, I can concede and say that since there was no evidence that she wanted to die in a vegetative state, the parents should have been allowed to do what they wish. She wouldn't have known the difference, anyway. But in my opinion, there should really be no purpose in keeping her alive. Letting her go has hopefully allowed the parents to move on with their lives, rather than live in false hope that their daughter would miraculously return. [/QUOTE]
They didn't "let her go", her husband had her murdered. That's not going to go away for them.
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You still failed to answer his question objectively.
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Okay, to answer the question, no, it doesn't make anyone in that situation a "criminal" or "murderer", but scum like Michael Schiavo ARE murderers because he never cared about Terri from day one after she was no use to him, and from evidence didn't care about her back before she collapsed either.
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Why make assumptions about Michael Schiavo when you didn't even know the guy in person. I'm not saying he was "good" or "bad", but God only knows. Yet why blame someone for moving on with his life after the person he was married was technically dead. You have the old fashioned mentallity of people in the early 1900s who considered re-marrying after losing their loved ones a sin.
Once again, you're making all your accusations based on empty facts. Seems like ultra conservatives do McCarthyism better than anyone else.
Once again, you're making all your accusations based on empty facts. Seems like ultra conservatives do McCarthyism better than anyone else.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME]BUZZ. Wrong. Not all Republicans are Christian and the media is anything but "right-wing". [/QUOTE]
You are severely brainwashed if you cannot see Fox for what it is. No other network would even attempt to convince the masses that the majority of California, a blue state, was anti-gay. I couldn't believe it when I saw that.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If she's dead, then we're spending unnecessary money to feed her and keep her alive. But again, the US has spent trillions in Iraq, money which could have healthily fed the entire world for a year, so what difference is one person in a hospital? [/QUOTE]
We're also spending a good deal of money to feed blood-thirsty murderers in prisons. At least Terri wasn't hurting anyone. And, FYI, in Iraq we are rebuilding a country.[/QUOTE]
Yup, our beloved oil company Haliburton is doing a great job. And your media sources are doing an even better job of manipulating millions of people like you.
You are severely brainwashed if you cannot see Fox for what it is. No other network would even attempt to convince the masses that the majority of California, a blue state, was anti-gay. I couldn't believe it when I saw that.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If she's dead, then we're spending unnecessary money to feed her and keep her alive. But again, the US has spent trillions in Iraq, money which could have healthily fed the entire world for a year, so what difference is one person in a hospital? [/QUOTE]
We're also spending a good deal of money to feed blood-thirsty murderers in prisons. At least Terri wasn't hurting anyone. And, FYI, in Iraq we are rebuilding a country.[/QUOTE]
Yup, our beloved oil company Haliburton is doing a great job. And your media sources are doing an even better job of manipulating millions of people like you.
The immaturity from Caspar and Sarajane in this thread is so annoying. It's nothing but namecalling anymore. Move on to other things in your lives and quit harassing QZ with your quasi-political rants.
What's to re-read? Comments about lobotomies and wishing for her death? Or am I confusing that with one of the highly intelligent debats in another thread you have going on with her?
If you want to engage in debate, be my guest. But there's none of that going on here. It's a cliche anymore. Sarajane with her paper-thin conservativism masquerading as enlightenment versus Caspar with his angry liberalism masquerading as enlightenment.
And there is a difference between calling for moderators to remove or ban opposing voices, and asking that immature people wise up a bit. But, apparently, both are fruitless tasks.
If you want to engage in debate, be my guest. But there's none of that going on here. It's a cliche anymore. Sarajane with her paper-thin conservativism masquerading as enlightenment versus Caspar with his angry liberalism masquerading as enlightenment.
And there is a difference between calling for moderators to remove or ban opposing voices, and asking that immature people wise up a bit. But, apparently, both are fruitless tasks.
Hmm - I bet 5 ducks on Zeni ... pass the popcorn please.
Baby if you've ever wondered,
Wondered what ever became of me.
I'm living on the air in Cinncinati,
Cinncinati WKRP.
Got time and tired of packing
And unpacking.
Town to town
Up and down the dial.
Maybe you and me were never meant to be,
But baby think of me once in a while.
I'm in WKRP in Cinncinati-
Baby if you've ever wondered,
Wondered what ever became of me.
I'm living on the air in Cinncinati,
Cinncinati WKRP.
Got time and tired of packing
And unpacking.
Town to town
Up and down the dial.
Maybe you and me were never meant to be,
But baby think of me once in a while.
I'm in WKRP in Cinncinati-
Sure .... of course
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ravenetta wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ravenetta wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
for Freddiesghettotrench, you need to realize that Mrs Schiavo was indeed brain dead, and that basically means in laymans terms that she wouldve never truly live again. she will never communicate with others, and blinking was merely an automatic response of any brain impulses taht existted. if you saw the autopsy, her brain was pretty much mush (as horrible as it sounded). i suggest you research more on her case before getting defensive. [/QUOTE]
That doesn't make it all right for her husband to kill her so he can marry his new flame.
[QUOTE] i had to deal with the same thing with a loved one of the family. she was braindead and her organs were shutting down day by day. if she had lived, she wouldve never spoken, moved or done anything on her own. i dont kow about you but i wouldnt want to live a life like that.
i hope this helps settle some things.
if i hear about another schiavo thing, i will snap lol.[/QUOTE]
It's not going to "settle" anything because whatever her condition starving someone to death is WRONG. [/QUOTE]
the stravation thing it something the media tried to make it sound worse than it really was. [/QUOTE]
Oh yeah. Starvation, it's underrated. It's not so bad.
How about you don't eat for fourteen days and see how the media "tried to make it sound worse than it really was"?
[QUOTE] as for response to "kill her for a new flame" wasnt the case. if you heard that then it was more media shit. you should know by now that they distort things so people pay more attention to their sourse than others. [/QUOTE]
The media tried to make Michael Schiavo as SYMPATHETIC as possible. What media were YOU watching?
[QUOTE] i dont think you were listening very well bc you didnt respond with something other than your view of the same answer over again. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, because MURDER IS WRONG. There's no real clear-cut way to rephrase that.
[QUOTE] not to be a bitch, but really i think you need to check your research and look at a medical ethisist. [/QUOTE]
A medical ethist's job is to look at EVERY point of view, not parrot YOURS. FYI I am in a Bioethics class.
[QUPTE] they could tell you what she really went thru maybe they can explain it to you better than we can,[/QUOTE]
The only person who could tell us what Terri went through died on March 18th, 2001.
[QUOTE] if youre willing to listen or accept the fact that life moves on, and terris life was pretty much at its end. [/QUOTE]
What gives you or anyone else the right to decide someone else's life isn't worth living? I know people who have siblings who are in a wheelchair, can't speak, can't talk, can't move. Does that give someone the right to say "their life isn't worth living?"
My little brother is autistic and does not/cannot talk. Is his life worth living to you?
What about my friend's mother, who was taken off life support by doctors who felt her life wasn't worth living?
[QUOTE] i suggest you look up how she ended up the way she did as well and hte things leading up to the point of her collapse. [/QUOTE]
What's your point here? She ended up the way she did because she had a lack of oxygen to the brain. Many things could have triggered this, however many people have accepted bulimia as the cause because Terri had lost large amounts of weight AT EARLIER TIMES, much PRIOR to the collapse.
for Freddiesghettotrench, you need to realize that Mrs Schiavo was indeed brain dead, and that basically means in laymans terms that she wouldve never truly live again. she will never communicate with others, and blinking was merely an automatic response of any brain impulses taht existted. if you saw the autopsy, her brain was pretty much mush (as horrible as it sounded). i suggest you research more on her case before getting defensive. [/QUOTE]
That doesn't make it all right for her husband to kill her so he can marry his new flame.
[QUOTE] i had to deal with the same thing with a loved one of the family. she was braindead and her organs were shutting down day by day. if she had lived, she wouldve never spoken, moved or done anything on her own. i dont kow about you but i wouldnt want to live a life like that.
i hope this helps settle some things.
if i hear about another schiavo thing, i will snap lol.[/QUOTE]
It's not going to "settle" anything because whatever her condition starving someone to death is WRONG. [/QUOTE]
the stravation thing it something the media tried to make it sound worse than it really was. [/QUOTE]
Oh yeah. Starvation, it's underrated. It's not so bad.
How about you don't eat for fourteen days and see how the media "tried to make it sound worse than it really was"?
[QUOTE] as for response to "kill her for a new flame" wasnt the case. if you heard that then it was more media shit. you should know by now that they distort things so people pay more attention to their sourse than others. [/QUOTE]
The media tried to make Michael Schiavo as SYMPATHETIC as possible. What media were YOU watching?
[QUOTE] i dont think you were listening very well bc you didnt respond with something other than your view of the same answer over again. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, because MURDER IS WRONG. There's no real clear-cut way to rephrase that.
[QUOTE] not to be a bitch, but really i think you need to check your research and look at a medical ethisist. [/QUOTE]
A medical ethist's job is to look at EVERY point of view, not parrot YOURS. FYI I am in a Bioethics class.
[QUPTE] they could tell you what she really went thru maybe they can explain it to you better than we can,[/QUOTE]
The only person who could tell us what Terri went through died on March 18th, 2001.
[QUOTE] if youre willing to listen or accept the fact that life moves on, and terris life was pretty much at its end. [/QUOTE]
What gives you or anyone else the right to decide someone else's life isn't worth living? I know people who have siblings who are in a wheelchair, can't speak, can't talk, can't move. Does that give someone the right to say "their life isn't worth living?"
My little brother is autistic and does not/cannot talk. Is his life worth living to you?
What about my friend's mother, who was taken off life support by doctors who felt her life wasn't worth living?
[QUOTE] i suggest you look up how she ended up the way she did as well and hte things leading up to the point of her collapse. [/QUOTE]
What's your point here? She ended up the way she did because she had a lack of oxygen to the brain. Many things could have triggered this, however many people have accepted bulimia as the cause because Terri had lost large amounts of weight AT EARLIER TIMES, much PRIOR to the collapse.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Oh yeah. Starvation, it's underrated. It's not so bad.
How about you don't eat for fourteen days and see how the media "tried to make it sound worse than it really was"?[/QUOTE]
She
was
a
vegetable.
Therefore
she
did
not
feel
anything.
How about you don't eat for fourteen days and see how the media "tried to make it sound worse than it really was"?[/QUOTE]
She
was
a
vegetable.
Therefore
she
did
not
feel
anything.
'Yeah, because MURDER IS WRONG. There's no real clear-cut way to rephrase that.'
The only trouble is - it wasn't murder. And no matter how much you argue the case, the ethics, the reasoning behind Michael Shciavo's decision - it is still not murder because your court system said so.
The only trouble is - it wasn't murder. And no matter how much you argue the case, the ethics, the reasoning behind Michael Shciavo's decision - it is still not murder because your court system said so.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Oh yeah. Starvation, it's underrated. It's not so bad.
How about you don't eat for fourteen days and see how the media "tried to make it sound worse than it really was"?[/QUOTE]
She
was
a
vegetable.
Therefore
she
did
not
feel
anything.
[/QUOTE]
Vegetable is an offensive phrase. If she didn't feel anything, I suppose that would have made it alright to chop off her head then, too?
How about you don't eat for fourteen days and see how the media "tried to make it sound worse than it really was"?[/QUOTE]
She
was
a
vegetable.
Therefore
she
did
not
feel
anything.
[/QUOTE]
Vegetable is an offensive phrase. If she didn't feel anything, I suppose that would have made it alright to chop off her head then, too?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bob The Shrek wrote: [/QUOTENAME]'Yeah, because MURDER IS WRONG. There's no real clear-cut way to rephrase that.'
The only trouble is - it wasn't murder. And no matter how much you argue the case, the ethics, the reasoning behind Michael Shciavo's decision - it is still not murder because your court system said so.
[/QUOTE]
v. mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders
v. tr.
1. To kill (another human) unlawfully.
2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.
3. To put an end to; destroy: murdered their chances.
4. To spoil by ineptness; mutilate: a speech that murdered the English language.
5. Slang. To defeat decisively; trounce.
Hmm. Seems like murder to me, especially by the second definition.
The only trouble is - it wasn't murder. And no matter how much you argue the case, the ethics, the reasoning behind Michael Shciavo's decision - it is still not murder because your court system said so.
[/QUOTE]
v. mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders
v. tr.
1. To kill (another human) unlawfully.
2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.
3. To put an end to; destroy: murdered their chances.
4. To spoil by ineptness; mutilate: a speech that murdered the English language.
5. Slang. To defeat decisively; trounce.
Hmm. Seems like murder to me, especially by the second definition.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm starting to feel a strong urge to kill you brutally and inhumanly...[/QUOTE]
Naughty, naughty, naughty. It is never nice to threaten murder.
Thomas and Hero sitting in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
First comes love
Then comes MURDER ...
Caspar - Why can't you ignore the wind-up merchants like BPP and Ghetto?
Naughty, naughty, naughty. It is never nice to threaten murder.
Thomas and Hero sitting in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
First comes love
Then comes MURDER ...
Caspar - Why can't you ignore the wind-up merchants like BPP and Ghetto?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm starting to feel a strong urge to kill you brutally and inhumanly...[/QUOTE]
Hmm, simply because I don't believe in doing away with innocent disabled women? Kill me then. At least I can fight back.
Hmm, simply because I don't believe in doing away with innocent disabled women? Kill me then. At least I can fight back.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME]...it's always nice to know that where there's a disgusting villian, there will be a profitable book deal. [/QUOTE]
I didn't know George Bush was writing a book?[/QUOTE]
Ha. Ha. Ha. It probably took you all night to come up with that one.
I didn't know George Bush was writing a book?[/QUOTE]
Ha. Ha. Ha. It probably took you all night to come up with that one.