[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME]...it's always nice to know that where there's a disgusting villian, there will be a profitable book deal. [/QUOTE]
I didn't know George Bush was writing a book?[/QUOTE]
Ha. Ha. Ha. It probably took you all night to come up with that one. [/QUOTE]
Actually, it took me some 15 seconds. Not everyone has your speed when it comes to thinking of witty comments.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you should have spent some more time, then you would have come up with one a little less 3rd grade. What's next, "I know you are but what am I"?
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Also, FYI:
<I> In 1920, well before the Nazis rose to power, German judge Karl Binding and psychiatrist Alfred Hoche wrote "The Release of the Destruction of Life Devoid of Value," a 60 page booklet which suggested that some lives were not worth living. Binding and Hoche justified euthanasia of "absolutely worthless human beings." Over time, the ideas presented by Binding and Hoche gained acceptance in German society.
That acceptance provided a convenient foundation for the Nazi euthanasia program known as Aktion T-4. Implemented in 1939, the purpose of Aktion T-4 was to eliminate "the worthless lives of seriously ill mental patients." This program began with the euthanasia of children up to the age of three, but was quickly expanded to include physically and mentally handicapped older children and adults. These people, whose lives were considered to be "not worth living," were killed by starvation, lethal injection, and the gas chamber. </I> (Source: The American Thinker)
Sound familiar?
<I> In 1920, well before the Nazis rose to power, German judge Karl Binding and psychiatrist Alfred Hoche wrote "The Release of the Destruction of Life Devoid of Value," a 60 page booklet which suggested that some lives were not worth living. Binding and Hoche justified euthanasia of "absolutely worthless human beings." Over time, the ideas presented by Binding and Hoche gained acceptance in German society.
That acceptance provided a convenient foundation for the Nazi euthanasia program known as Aktion T-4. Implemented in 1939, the purpose of Aktion T-4 was to eliminate "the worthless lives of seriously ill mental patients." This program began with the euthanasia of children up to the age of three, but was quickly expanded to include physically and mentally handicapped older children and adults. These people, whose lives were considered to be "not worth living," were killed by starvation, lethal injection, and the gas chamber. </I> (Source: The American Thinker)
Sound familiar?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Also, FYI:
<I> In 1920, well before the Nazis rose to power, German judge Karl Binding and psychiatrist Alfred Hoche wrote "The Release of the Destruction of Life Devoid of Value," a 60 page booklet which suggested that some lives were not worth living. Binding and Hoche justified euthanasia of "absolutely worthless human beings." Over time, the ideas presented by Binding and Hoche gained acceptance in German society.
That acceptance provided a convenient foundation for the Nazi euthanasia program known as Aktion T-4. Implemented in 1939, the purpose of Aktion T-4 was to eliminate "the worthless lives of seriously ill mental patients." This program began with the euthanasia of children up to the age of three, but was quickly expanded to include physically and mentally handicapped older children and adults. These people, whose lives were considered to be "not worth living," were killed by starvation, lethal injection, and the gas chamber. </I> (Source: The American Thinker)
Sound familiar?[/QUOTE]
This is what I tell my students: you have good facts, but you lack critical analysis.
To compare a systematic execution of unfit people in 1930s Germany to the death of one person who was already medically brain dead is grasping at intellectual straws. You pluck out a few facts from history, but you provide no context for them. German society in the early-twentieth century (and especially in the inter-war period) was drastically different than the US today. These facts speak more to racial theory and the influence of Darwinism upon the imperial powers of the late-nineteenth/early-twentieth centuries than they do to modern debate over right-to-die issues in the US.
Your debates are missing a critical element.
<I> In 1920, well before the Nazis rose to power, German judge Karl Binding and psychiatrist Alfred Hoche wrote "The Release of the Destruction of Life Devoid of Value," a 60 page booklet which suggested that some lives were not worth living. Binding and Hoche justified euthanasia of "absolutely worthless human beings." Over time, the ideas presented by Binding and Hoche gained acceptance in German society.
That acceptance provided a convenient foundation for the Nazi euthanasia program known as Aktion T-4. Implemented in 1939, the purpose of Aktion T-4 was to eliminate "the worthless lives of seriously ill mental patients." This program began with the euthanasia of children up to the age of three, but was quickly expanded to include physically and mentally handicapped older children and adults. These people, whose lives were considered to be "not worth living," were killed by starvation, lethal injection, and the gas chamber. </I> (Source: The American Thinker)
Sound familiar?[/QUOTE]
This is what I tell my students: you have good facts, but you lack critical analysis.
To compare a systematic execution of unfit people in 1930s Germany to the death of one person who was already medically brain dead is grasping at intellectual straws. You pluck out a few facts from history, but you provide no context for them. German society in the early-twentieth century (and especially in the inter-war period) was drastically different than the US today. These facts speak more to racial theory and the influence of Darwinism upon the imperial powers of the late-nineteenth/early-twentieth centuries than they do to modern debate over right-to-die issues in the US.
Your debates are missing a critical element.
You can also turn the argument around and ask how humane was it to keep her alive by artificial means for so long.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bob The Shrek wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You can also turn the argument around and ask how humane was it to keep her alive by artificial means for so long.[/QUOTE]
How is food and water artifical means?
How is food and water artifical means?
What a waste. So many people would have benefitted if she donated her organs to others so that they could live.
A feeding tube and an I-V are arificial means.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Vegetable is an offensive phrase. If she didn't feel anything, I suppose that would have made it alright to chop off her head then, too? [/QUOTE]
Again, you changed the subject. Discussion with you is pointless. You can never focus on exactly what is presented to you. You always have to put a twist in the language to suit your needs.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zeni wrote: [/QUOTENAME]To compare a systematic execution of unfit people in 1930s Germany to the death of one person who was already medically brain dead is grasping at intellectual straws. You pluck out a few facts from history, but you provide no context for them. German society in the early-twentieth century (and especially in the inter-war period) was drastically different than the US today. These facts speak more to racial theory and the influence of Darwinism upon the imperial powers of the late-nineteenth/early-twentieth centuries than they do to modern debate over right-to-die issues in the US.[/QUOTE]
Great post, Zeni.
Again, you changed the subject. Discussion with you is pointless. You can never focus on exactly what is presented to you. You always have to put a twist in the language to suit your needs.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zeni wrote: [/QUOTENAME]To compare a systematic execution of unfit people in 1930s Germany to the death of one person who was already medically brain dead is grasping at intellectual straws. You pluck out a few facts from history, but you provide no context for them. German society in the early-twentieth century (and especially in the inter-war period) was drastically different than the US today. These facts speak more to racial theory and the influence of Darwinism upon the imperial powers of the late-nineteenth/early-twentieth centuries than they do to modern debate over right-to-die issues in the US.[/QUOTE]
Great post, Zeni.
Geez, are we still discussing this topic?
Even though Sarajane makes up fake facts to support her views, throws empty or exaggerated accusations against those who disagree, and stands by the extreme right wing there's something good I would say about her...
She could host her own show at FOX News.
Even though Sarajane makes up fake facts to support her views, throws empty or exaggerated accusations against those who disagree, and stands by the extreme right wing there's something good I would say about her...
She could host her own show at FOX News.
SaraJane, take the good doctor's advice and RESEARCH your facts before you talk out of your ass.
Or is that hole on your face your other ass?
Or is that hole on your face your other ass?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Rip Van Winkle wrote: [/QUOTENAME]A feeding tube and an I-V are arificial means.[/QUOTE]
Indeed they are and as a devoted Christian I find such Un-Godly behaviour insulting. These people who kept her alive were clearly for years preventing God's will, which was to take this poor person to heaven with him and for that they shall burn in the FIRES OF HELL!
Amen.
Indeed they are and as a devoted Christian I find such Un-Godly behaviour insulting. These people who kept her alive were clearly for years preventing God's will, which was to take this poor person to heaven with him and for that they shall burn in the FIRES OF HELL!
Amen.
Why do you continue to try and talk sense to this child? Her narrow-minded fixed opinions will not change, and she is really not worth trying to engage in any kind of intelligent debate with.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Rip Van Winkle wrote: [/QUOTENAME]A feeding tube and an I-V are arificial means.[/QUOTE]
No they are NOT. It is not like she was on a respirator or a venilator, where taking her off it would immediately or nearly immediately result in her death.
Get it through your head:
By denying food and water, they STARVED and dehydrated this woman. They took her life. If she had been living by "artifical means", she would have died the first time the feeding tube was ever removed.
Oh, and for the people who enjoyed calling me a racist, fun fact:
Michael Schiavo refused to let minority nurses treat his wife because he didn't want them to see her naked. Instead, he requested blonde females. Yeah, he was SO devoted to his wife.
No they are NOT. It is not like she was on a respirator or a venilator, where taking her off it would immediately or nearly immediately result in her death.
Get it through your head:
By denying food and water, they STARVED and dehydrated this woman. They took her life. If she had been living by "artifical means", she would have died the first time the feeding tube was ever removed.
Oh, and for the people who enjoyed calling me a racist, fun fact:
Michael Schiavo refused to let minority nurses treat his wife because he didn't want them to see her naked. Instead, he requested blonde females. Yeah, he was SO devoted to his wife.
Where did you hear that? If you're going to make sweeping accusations about this man - like you've done through this thread - the least you can do is share your sources with us. One of the first things any university teaches you is to always back up your statements with reliable facts. And stuff posted on random internet sites/Justice for Terri Schaivo message boards don't count.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]dragonzflame wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Where did you hear that? If you're going to make sweeping accusations about this man - like you've done through this thread - the least you can do is share your sources with us. One of the first things any university teaches you is to always back up your statements with reliable facts. And stuff posted on random internet sites/Justice for Terri Schaivo message boards don't count.
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Fuhrman, Mark. "Silent Witness". New York: 2005.
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Fuhrman, Mark. "Silent Witness". New York: 2005.