Living in the UK I failed to notice that the Freddie Mercury solo track 'Foolin' Around' was 'available' in the USA months BEFORE the 'Mr Bad Guy' LP was released.
According to IMBD, the film 'Teachers' Directed by Arthur Hiller was officially released in 1984, but the 'Mr Bad Guy' LP was not released in the UK until 29th April 1985.
As we in the UK usually recieve most movies a few months after the initial USA screenings, I had always assumed that 'Teachers' was also released in 1985 AFTER the 'Mr Bad Guy' release, but I guess I was wrong.
This leads to two questions:
1 - Can it be confirmed that 'Teachers' was indeed released in the USA in 1984, which means it was 'available' pre 'Mr Bad Guy'?
2 - If confirmed 'Teachers' was released in 1984 - does this mean that the 1984 version is the 'orginal' and not the 1985 'Mr Bad Guy' version - and does this explain why the earlier 'Teachers' version is different from the 1985 release?
Foolin' Around
1984 Teachers OST Version 3:39
1985 UK LP/ CD 3:30 - CBS CDCBS 86312
1985 Original 12” Remix 5:36 - Solo Collection: 527 9640
1985 Instrumental 3:37 - Solo Collection: 527 9640
1985 Early Version 4:12 - Solo Collection: 527 9640
1993 Steve Brown 3:35 Remix - Parlophone CDPCSD 124
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To the best of my knowledge, John, 'Teachers' was indeed released in the USA in 1984, pre 'Mr Bad Guy'. I had a copy on vinyl, long gone, but recall .38 Special had the main single called 'Teacher, Teacher.' I bought Mr. Bad Guy in the summer of '85.
Can't answer question 2 for you, sorry!
Can't answer question 2 for you, sorry!
1) Yes. http://imdb.com/title/tt0088242/
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry... wrote: [/QUOTENAME]1) Yes. http://imdb.com/title/tt0088242/[/QUOTE]
IMBD: That is indeed the site I was refering to above Serry, but, it does not say when the film was released.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME]According to IMBD, the film 'Teachers' Directed by Arthur Hiller was officially released in 1984,
[/QUOTE]
To clarify - does the IMBD date mean the year the film was made (ie 1984 - but released 1985) or the year which the film was generally released?
Thankfully BHM 0271 has confirmed it was the release date:
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]BHM 0271 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]...'Teachers' was indeed released in the USA in 1984, pre 'Mr Bad Guy'. [/QUOTE]
IMBD: That is indeed the site I was refering to above Serry, but, it does not say when the film was released.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME]According to IMBD, the film 'Teachers' Directed by Arthur Hiller was officially released in 1984,
[/QUOTE]
To clarify - does the IMBD date mean the year the film was made (ie 1984 - but released 1985) or the year which the film was generally released?
Thankfully BHM 0271 has confirmed it was the release date:
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]BHM 0271 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]...'Teachers' was indeed released in the USA in 1984, pre 'Mr Bad Guy'. [/QUOTE]
The OST album was indeed released in 1984, prior to MR BAD GUY. The version contained in the OST is indeed diferent an also earlier, so I guess it could be referred as the original version of the song. BTW, I believe that all of this has been discussed here before.
And there is more: The extended version from the FM SOLO COLLECTION is more similar to this original version than to the regular album version, so my guess is that the planned but unreleased 12" single was meant to be cut from the OST album instead of MBG.
And there is more: The extended version from the FM SOLO COLLECTION is more similar to this original version than to the regular album version, so my guess is that the planned but unreleased 12" single was meant to be cut from the OST album instead of MBG.
Damn, wrong link, sorry, John :( I found a lot of reviews about this movie and posted the only one... The wrong one... I'm getting older.
http://movies.go.com/filmography/credits?movie_id=22898&name=teachers_1984&genre=comedy&studio=TBA
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800125519/info
http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=489794
Anyway: "Released in US October 5, 1984"
http://movies.go.com/filmography/credits?movie_id=22898&name=teachers_1984&genre=comedy&studio=TBA
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800125519/info
http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=489794
Anyway: "Released in US October 5, 1984"
It seems that is indeed from 1984.
Here`s the OST, with tracklisting:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4823983318&category=618#ebayphotohosting
It was released October 5, 1984 in the US. Here´s the statistics about the film.
http://www.the-numbers.com/people/NNOLT.html
I never heard the OST version, but if it`s different, then i think you can call it the original, one because it was released first (it was a completed track- not a demo).
Take care
Here`s the OST, with tracklisting:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4823983318&category=618#ebayphotohosting
It was released October 5, 1984 in the US. Here´s the statistics about the film.
http://www.the-numbers.com/people/NNOLT.html
I never heard the OST version, but if it`s different, then i think you can call it the original, one because it was released first (it was a completed track- not a demo).
Take care
I never have heard the 'Teachers' version of this track.
Can somebody tell what the difference is between the two?
Can somebody tell what the difference is between the two?
As I know, the only difference between two versions is the ending of the song. In the "Teachers" version you can find extra bits with some additional vocal adlibs in the end of the song which were edited out (about 10 seconds) on "Mr Bad Guy" version. Extended version of "Foolin' Around" has complete ending. So you can compare it with album version and find the difference.
The mix is also different from (albeit close to) the MR. BAD GUY version.
I did an A/B test, could only hear a little more general loudness. I then put both into Goldwave and the wave form was virtually identical. I'd be prepared to agree that the Teachers version was mastered by someone else, but I think a remix (however subtle) is stretching the point.
Yes, to answer your question John, the "Teachers" OST came out in October of 1984. The version of "Mr. Bad Guy" which appears on this soundtrack is slightly different, though you have to listen very carefully. It's not so much that the mix is different, but that the later Album version is editted. The "Teachers" version has a few extra bars at the end (not at the *very* end, mind you, but well before the fade out). This has caused most of the confusion about *how* the two versions differ, as they appear to fade out at the same point. What was removed from the "Teachers" version for the album is hard to spot, so I'll describe it as best I can:
I note the better-known album version first, as a common frame of reference, followed by the original soundtrack version. The differences, noted in the "Teachers" description, are in CAPS so they're easier to make out while reading and following along (for those of you with the "Teachers" version).
Album Version
After the last verse (approx 2:54):
"...just keep fooling around with me...yeeah...(jangly guitar)...I'm a fool, fool, fool, fool for ya, baby, keep foolin' around...(jangly guitar)...yeah-yeah (jangly guitar)...I'm a fool, fool, fool for ya, sexy baby, keep foolin' around (jangly guitar...start to fade)...I'm a fool, fool, fool, fool for ya, baby, keep foolin' around (into a full fade out by this point, 3:27)"
Teachers Version
After the last verse (approx 2:54)
"...just keep fooling around with me...yeeah...(NO JANGLY GUITAR)...I'm a fool, fool, fool, fool for ya, baby, keep foolin' around...(NO JANGLY GUITAR)...yeah-yeah (jangly guitar)...I'm a fool, fool, fool for ya, sexy baby, keep foolin' around... (jangly guitar) I'M A FOOL, FOOL, FOOL (GUITAR TWANG!)BABY... HANGIN' AROUND (jangly guitar...start to fade)...I'm a fool, fool, fool, fool for ya, baby, keep foolin' around (into a full fade out by this point, 3:39)
Basically, the jangly guitar (I didn't know what else to call it) was mixed INTO to album version in places and a few bars of Freddie singing were taken straight out (and it's done seamlessly).
Now, to really make your head hurt, the Instrumental on the Solo Collection Boxed Set features the "Teachers" version (without vocals), rather than the album version.
My only question now is *why bother* with two versions anyway, when the differences are so small? (Rhetorical question, no need to answer...I know Queen did this sort of thing a lot!)
I note the better-known album version first, as a common frame of reference, followed by the original soundtrack version. The differences, noted in the "Teachers" description, are in CAPS so they're easier to make out while reading and following along (for those of you with the "Teachers" version).
Album Version
After the last verse (approx 2:54):
"...just keep fooling around with me...yeeah...(jangly guitar)...I'm a fool, fool, fool, fool for ya, baby, keep foolin' around...(jangly guitar)...yeah-yeah (jangly guitar)...I'm a fool, fool, fool for ya, sexy baby, keep foolin' around (jangly guitar...start to fade)...I'm a fool, fool, fool, fool for ya, baby, keep foolin' around (into a full fade out by this point, 3:27)"
Teachers Version
After the last verse (approx 2:54)
"...just keep fooling around with me...yeeah...(NO JANGLY GUITAR)...I'm a fool, fool, fool, fool for ya, baby, keep foolin' around...(NO JANGLY GUITAR)...yeah-yeah (jangly guitar)...I'm a fool, fool, fool for ya, sexy baby, keep foolin' around... (jangly guitar) I'M A FOOL, FOOL, FOOL (GUITAR TWANG!)BABY... HANGIN' AROUND (jangly guitar...start to fade)...I'm a fool, fool, fool, fool for ya, baby, keep foolin' around (into a full fade out by this point, 3:39)
Basically, the jangly guitar (I didn't know what else to call it) was mixed INTO to album version in places and a few bars of Freddie singing were taken straight out (and it's done seamlessly).
Now, to really make your head hurt, the Instrumental on the Solo Collection Boxed Set features the "Teachers" version (without vocals), rather than the album version.
My only question now is *why bother* with two versions anyway, when the differences are so small? (Rhetorical question, no need to answer...I know Queen did this sort of thing a lot!)
rhyeking: Excellent answer.
For those who think this forum has turned to sh*t, I have said it before, and I will say it again, this is the sort of thing only Queenzone does best.
I know the differences are subtle, but living in the UK, 'Teachers' was released over here POST 'Mr Bad Guy', so I always lived by that assumption.
To discover 'Teachers' was actually released elsewhere (USA) PRE 'Mr Bad Guy' was a bit of a revelation.
It does not make much difference really, except now when I play them in real chronological order, I can see the evolution of the track in a much clearer light.
All I can say is thanks!
For those who think this forum has turned to sh*t, I have said it before, and I will say it again, this is the sort of thing only Queenzone does best.
I know the differences are subtle, but living in the UK, 'Teachers' was released over here POST 'Mr Bad Guy', so I always lived by that assumption.
To discover 'Teachers' was actually released elsewhere (USA) PRE 'Mr Bad Guy' was a bit of a revelation.
It does not make much difference really, except now when I play them in real chronological order, I can see the evolution of the track in a much clearer light.
All I can say is thanks!
Why, thank you, John. I'm happy to help.
A few other tidbits about "Teachers"...
Some of the songs on the soundtrack were released as singles to promote the movie/album and featured sleeve artwork from the film (much like the "Highlander"-related singles did).
Since the discovery of the "Foolin' Around (Original 12" Mix)" which was unreleased, it's obvious that it was planned for release as a single too (which is discussed in the Boxed Set book).
In case anyone is wondering where in the film the song appears, it's played over an establishing shot of the school, at the beginning of a wintery school day, with the students walking in from the outside. It's quite effective and you get to hear a good portion of the song. For those of you with the soundtrack LP, the back cover photo is from that shot!
I wish they'd release that soundtrack on CD, just so I can have that version in a digital form. I lifted it from my vinyl, and it sounds great, but remastered would be nice.
A few other tidbits about "Teachers"...
Some of the songs on the soundtrack were released as singles to promote the movie/album and featured sleeve artwork from the film (much like the "Highlander"-related singles did).
Since the discovery of the "Foolin' Around (Original 12" Mix)" which was unreleased, it's obvious that it was planned for release as a single too (which is discussed in the Boxed Set book).
In case anyone is wondering where in the film the song appears, it's played over an establishing shot of the school, at the beginning of a wintery school day, with the students walking in from the outside. It's quite effective and you get to hear a good portion of the song. For those of you with the soundtrack LP, the back cover photo is from that shot!
I wish they'd release that soundtrack on CD, just so I can have that version in a digital form. I lifted it from my vinyl, and it sounds great, but remastered would be nice.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Teachers soundtrack was also released before Mr. Bad Guy here in Brazil.
Cheers,
Ogre-
Cheers,
Ogre-