Sir GH,
what struck me the most about your post was that you labeled me a conservative. It struck me because my ideals and attitudes in life are extremely liberal. Still I realized that the things I write make me seem like a right wing conservative. The reason why a Liberal at heart like me is turning into a right wing conservative is just that: the Liberals do not reflect my views and ideals anymore. All they seem able to do is to scorn, discredit, accuse their own kind. There may be some truth in what they say, still, they just seem willing to find ways to criticise our governments and cultures all the time.
In Italy the center right was in power for 5 years. The opposition never said yes to a single law passed by the government. They organized strikes which only led to more poverty in a period which is already difficult. They manipulated the poor, telling them that everything is going to pieces. So the poor went on strikes, losing precious money taken from their wages.
I love science, and the basis of science is to explore, formulate hypotheses and prove them. So I too don't believe everything that is being said. However, when all the doubts that are raised only go toward the same direction - against the US Government - then allow me to suspect that the anti-American sentiment plays a role. People who believe in these conspiracies seem more than happy to prove them.
I guess I'm not the only one who is changing her political views for these reasons. Many think that Mike Moore's absurd campaign actually damaged Kerry's chances of being elected. The Bush Administration has so many flaws his adversaries could have use to attack him. I think though, that believing he would be so cruel to allow the death of over 3000 civilians of his own country goes too far even for many who dislike Bush. And when these undecided voters heard such absurd stories they maybe started doubting everything else Kerry said.
I hope I can one day vote for the Left again, like I did in the past. But a different Left. A left-wing party which doesn't make up incredible, unbelievable stories to destroy its adversary. A Left-wing party which has firm ideals and puts them into practice, still maintaining the pride in our culture and Western values (not because the West is Paradise...but because we are Westerners, and we should not be ashamed of being Westerners).
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fairy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I guess I'm not the only one who is changing her political views for these reasons. Many think that Mike Moore's absurd campaign actually damaged Kerry's chances of being elected. The Bush Administration has so many flaws his adversaries could have use to attack him. I think though, that believing he would be so cruel to allow the death of over 3000 civilians of his own country goes too far even for many who dislike Bush. And when these undecided voters heard such absurd stories they maybe started doubting everything else Kerry said.[/QUOTE]
After Katrina it seemed clear to the majority of Americans that Bush and his administration didn't care about people. How on earth can a government (in this case the richest and most powerful government in the world) be warned that a category 5 hurricaine is on the path to destruction of a major city, and they send aid 5 days late?
For those wondering if the Bush administration knew about the possibility of a terrorist attack carried on U.S. soil, here's a little clue:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/bush.briefing/index.html
It's not a matter of being liberal or conservative, it's a matter of protecting the lives of people.
After Katrina it seemed clear to the majority of Americans that Bush and his administration didn't care about people. How on earth can a government (in this case the richest and most powerful government in the world) be warned that a category 5 hurricaine is on the path to destruction of a major city, and they send aid 5 days late?
For those wondering if the Bush administration knew about the possibility of a terrorist attack carried on U.S. soil, here's a little clue:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/bush.briefing/index.html
It's not a matter of being liberal or conservative, it's a matter of protecting the lives of people.
Hi there Mr.Jingles!
Did you hear Parma scored 1 to 1 with big Juventus????!!!
About the topic, I agree it's not really a matter of being Liberal or Conservative. That's why I said that while I consider myself a person with liberal views, I'm bothered by some people's attempts to bring down the democratically elected US Government.
I don't know much about Katryna so I can't comment on that. About Bush knowing about a possible attack, so what? In Italy we know an attack will come and are prepared for the worst. Still, if it happens I wouldn't blame any Government in power for it.
And speaking of conspiracies, during the last Spanish elections polls had predicted a huge victory by Aznar, but an attack came just a few days before the election. People got scared and voted for Zapatero, who was promising to withdraw from Iraq. If the right wingers were as "suspicious" as the Leftists like Mike Moore, they would put forth the theory that Zapatero was somehow involved in the attack!! I would NEVER even begin to think he could do that though.
Fahrenheit 11 and stuff present some facts, those who don't believe in them present other facts. We don't have access to the evidence, we can't go there and watch, we don't know much. I know the film can be convincing...what the US Government says will be equally convincing, as we don't have the knowledge to judge. Some scientists for instance claim the way the towers collapse prove there was explosive in the building. I'm sure other scientists will tell us otherwise. I guess we must "choose" who to believe. So I ask myself what would be the real advantage for Bush (and hundreds of thousands of people helping him....remember he's not alone ruling his country)to stage this attack against his own people. If it was to find an excuse to wage war on Iraq, well he went through much trouble for nothing. His weapons of mass distruction theory was enough for him to do that. You don't need to stage such a disaster in order to wage a war, nor in order to gain economic profit. Also, Bush had just been elected a few months before. Now wasn't that a short time to organize such a mess? Or is Bill Clinton also involved? Actually, Bill Clinton was in favor of the Afghan war...So what does this mean???
Last but not least, no matter how much we may dislike Bush (and I hate him for things such as his love for the death penalty), I don't think him able to kill thousands of American civilians...This is my personal opinion though.
Ciao ciao
Did you hear Parma scored 1 to 1 with big Juventus????!!!
About the topic, I agree it's not really a matter of being Liberal or Conservative. That's why I said that while I consider myself a person with liberal views, I'm bothered by some people's attempts to bring down the democratically elected US Government.
I don't know much about Katryna so I can't comment on that. About Bush knowing about a possible attack, so what? In Italy we know an attack will come and are prepared for the worst. Still, if it happens I wouldn't blame any Government in power for it.
And speaking of conspiracies, during the last Spanish elections polls had predicted a huge victory by Aznar, but an attack came just a few days before the election. People got scared and voted for Zapatero, who was promising to withdraw from Iraq. If the right wingers were as "suspicious" as the Leftists like Mike Moore, they would put forth the theory that Zapatero was somehow involved in the attack!! I would NEVER even begin to think he could do that though.
Fahrenheit 11 and stuff present some facts, those who don't believe in them present other facts. We don't have access to the evidence, we can't go there and watch, we don't know much. I know the film can be convincing...what the US Government says will be equally convincing, as we don't have the knowledge to judge. Some scientists for instance claim the way the towers collapse prove there was explosive in the building. I'm sure other scientists will tell us otherwise. I guess we must "choose" who to believe. So I ask myself what would be the real advantage for Bush (and hundreds of thousands of people helping him....remember he's not alone ruling his country)to stage this attack against his own people. If it was to find an excuse to wage war on Iraq, well he went through much trouble for nothing. His weapons of mass distruction theory was enough for him to do that. You don't need to stage such a disaster in order to wage a war, nor in order to gain economic profit. Also, Bush had just been elected a few months before. Now wasn't that a short time to organize such a mess? Or is Bill Clinton also involved? Actually, Bill Clinton was in favor of the Afghan war...So what does this mean???
Last but not least, no matter how much we may dislike Bush (and I hate him for things such as his love for the death penalty), I don't think him able to kill thousands of American civilians...This is my personal opinion though.
Ciao ciao
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fairy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Hi there Mr.Jingles!
Did you hear Parma scored 1 to 1 with big Juventus????!!![/QUOTE]
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Did you hear Parma scored 1 to 1 with big Juventus????!!![/QUOTE]
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fairy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Hi there Mr.Jingles!
Did you hear Parma scored 1 to 1 with big Juventus????!!![/QUOTE]
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM[/QUOTE]
FORZA PARMA!!!
Did you hear Parma scored 1 to 1 with big Juventus????!!![/QUOTE]
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM[/QUOTE]
FORZA PARMA!!!
I'm very happy to have seen this video. I was sitting here watching the explosions as the towers fell praying' my God what have they done'...repeatedly....
I knew something was wrong shortly after 9-11. Now I know for a fact. Thanks Bob.
All the naysayers can't avert their eyes forever. From a government that killed Kennedy(s) why would it be so hard to believe that they would do this. It's easy to believe. And now you have proof. I am ashamed to be called an American. I am ashamed to have anything to do with the way this contry works, and is percieved by this world.
God help us.
I knew something was wrong shortly after 9-11. Now I know for a fact. Thanks Bob.
All the naysayers can't avert their eyes forever. From a government that killed Kennedy(s) why would it be so hard to believe that they would do this. It's easy to believe. And now you have proof. I am ashamed to be called an American. I am ashamed to have anything to do with the way this contry works, and is percieved by this world.
God help us.
You people really have issues. You're taking a tragedy to a nation and making little games out of it. But now tell me, who provided support to the Allied Powers in WWI when Germany went on the offensive? I mean, dont credit the USA even though it was American soldiers using American weapons under a French commander. Or what about WWII, while the atomic bomb was not very ethical, it did save millions of lives that could have been lost in ground war. Not to mention that nuclear power became a staple short after. Then, what about the 1960's where the USA subsidized the French in their war against Vietnam? Although, it was never declared a "war", the USA put billions of dollars into supplying the French for their efforts which, however, were wasted. Then, during our tenure into the Vietnam Conflict, who welcomed the nomadic hmong people into our country who, now, 40 years later, are an asset to our culture? Yet, shortly after that, when an earthquake leveled 59 american cities, nobody came to help. Nobody helped even though every country with an airline excluding Russia flew AMERICAN planes. Forwarding about 20 years, Former President Jimmy Carter went around the world with his Habitat For Humanity project, building homes for the less fortunate. Then, after 9-11, the USA offered a 35 million dollar reward to helping capture the insurgents behind the terror attacks. Because the middle eastern governmets refused to take action, the US government was forced to intervene. Soon after, Saddam Hussien claimed to have chemical weapons but as soon as the secretary of defense said "Oh, really?" he changed his story. Now, the American soldiers are ridding the world of insurgents who would harm her people-
God Bless America
God Bless America
This is no game...
I looked @ your profile...your 16 years old. The only thing you know is what mom and dad tell you. What FOX news tells you. Did you watch the video? Did you hear that there were NO WOMD?!?!?! Bin Laden had NOTHING to do with the Towers? God Bless America? You think He still can? No way in hell would he bless such a nation. Look around you dude.
I looked @ your profile...your 16 years old. The only thing you know is what mom and dad tell you. What FOX news tells you. Did you watch the video? Did you hear that there were NO WOMD?!?!?! Bin Laden had NOTHING to do with the Towers? God Bless America? You think He still can? No way in hell would he bless such a nation. Look around you dude.
Then why do you live here? Go move to Africa and then you'll know how good you have it.
Africa he says....LMAO! Poor young ignorant boy.
What is it you dont like about America? Is it the fact that we have the strongest solo economy? Or is it the freedom of speach and religion? Or maybe you'd just rather live in a place where you can legally be shot for voicing your opinion?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green> M@tt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]This is no game...
I looked @ your profile...your 16 years old. The only thing you know is what mom and dad tell you. What FOX news tells you. Did you watch the video? Did you hear that there were NO WOMD?!?!?! Bin Laden had NOTHING to do with the Towers? God Bless America? You think He still can? No way in hell would he bless such a nation. Look around you dude.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green> M@tt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm very happy to have seen this video. I was sitting here watching the explosions as the towers fell praying' my God what have they done'...repeatedly....
I knew something was wrong shortly after 9-11. Now I know for a fact. Thanks Bob.
All the naysayers can't avert their eyes forever. From a government that killed Kennedy(s) why would it be so hard to believe that they would do this. It's easy to believe. And now you have proof. I am ashamed to be called an American. I am ashamed to have anything to do with the way this contry works, and is percieved by this world.
God help us.[/QUOTE]
Will the real M@tt please stand up. Actually this is a conspiracy where M@tt was abducted by aliens and replaced with a pod:
http://queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=360425
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green> M@tt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]That is more or less my entire point. Hating Bush is fine and dandy. Watching this fictitious "documentary", and going along with it based solely on your political beliefs is plain wrong. The movie is, simply put, a fictitious piece based on lie after lie, but put together in the most damning way that Moore could dream up!
Again, if you want to hate Bush, great. Go for it. But don't mistake facts for fiction, and don't drink Moore's Kool-aid, as he has already admitted, on more than one occasion, that his "bias" has gotten the best of him, and that his movie is factually as wrong as wrong can be.
That is the smartest thing I have ever read on this board. Moor is full of crap. And no I am NOT a Bush fan. Moor needs to get something straight. No lying in documentaries please.
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I looked @ your profile...your 16 years old. The only thing you know is what mom and dad tell you. What FOX news tells you. Did you watch the video? Did you hear that there were NO WOMD?!?!?! Bin Laden had NOTHING to do with the Towers? God Bless America? You think He still can? No way in hell would he bless such a nation. Look around you dude.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green> M@tt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm very happy to have seen this video. I was sitting here watching the explosions as the towers fell praying' my God what have they done'...repeatedly....
I knew something was wrong shortly after 9-11. Now I know for a fact. Thanks Bob.
All the naysayers can't avert their eyes forever. From a government that killed Kennedy(s) why would it be so hard to believe that they would do this. It's easy to believe. And now you have proof. I am ashamed to be called an American. I am ashamed to have anything to do with the way this contry works, and is percieved by this world.
God help us.[/QUOTE]
Will the real M@tt please stand up. Actually this is a conspiracy where M@tt was abducted by aliens and replaced with a pod:
http://queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=360425
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green> M@tt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]That is more or less my entire point. Hating Bush is fine and dandy. Watching this fictitious "documentary", and going along with it based solely on your political beliefs is plain wrong. The movie is, simply put, a fictitious piece based on lie after lie, but put together in the most damning way that Moore could dream up!
Again, if you want to hate Bush, great. Go for it. But don't mistake facts for fiction, and don't drink Moore's Kool-aid, as he has already admitted, on more than one occasion, that his "bias" has gotten the best of him, and that his movie is factually as wrong as wrong can be.
That is the smartest thing I have ever read on this board. Moor is full of crap. And no I am NOT a Bush fan. Moor needs to get something straight. No lying in documentaries please.
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Yes...and as you see, that was quite a while ago. You see dear friends that while the rest of you were asleep at the wheel, I have been awake, watching this so-called president and his keystone cops antics. Remember we went through an elcetion (such as it was) a few months ago. This is the real M@tt standing up. An older, more intelligent one at that.
We DID go through an election. And who won? Thats right, Mr. G.W. Bush.
...and that still baffels me...and millions of others as well.