But another thing to keep in mind, a panicky, pregnant woman (or girl, which may be the case) may not be in the best state of mind to decide the fate of the potential life within her.
Thread
Posts in chronological order
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But another thing to keep in mind, a panicky, pregnant woman (or girl, which may be the case) may not be in the best state of mind to decide the fate of the potential life within her.[/QUOTE]
That is why she should consult with her trusted physican.
That is why she should consult with her trusted physican.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But another thing to keep in mind, a panicky, pregnant woman (or girl, which may be the case) may not be in the best state of mind to decide the fate of the potential life within her.[/QUOTE]
That is why she should consult with her trusted physican.[/QUOTE]
But ultimately she would have the power to get the abortion or not. An informed panicky, pregnant girl can be just as bad a judge as an ignorant panicky, pregnant girl.
That is why she should consult with her trusted physican.[/QUOTE]
But ultimately she would have the power to get the abortion or not. An informed panicky, pregnant girl can be just as bad a judge as an ignorant panicky, pregnant girl.
It is my understanding that before you go for an abortion, you are "counseled" by a nurse or social worker at the abortion clinic. It's not a drive thru type thing.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It is my understanding that before you go for an abortion, you are "counseled" by a nurse or social worker at the abortion clinic. It's not a drive thru type thing. [/QUOTE]
Hi, I'd like an abortion and some biggie size fries with a coke.
Hi, I'd like an abortion and some biggie size fries with a coke.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It is my understanding that before you go for an abortion, you are "counseled" by a nurse or social worker at the abortion clinic. It's not a drive thru type thing. [/QUOTE]
I would figure that being counseled by a nurse or social worker is about as useful as being counseled by your friends when you have fallen in love. No matter what they say, you're still going to do whatever you have your mind set on doing. This is a scenario that most people can relate to, male and female, as very few people (particularly teens) consider abortion even slightly relevant to them.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It is my understanding that before you go for an abortion, you are "counseled" by a nurse or social worker at the abortion clinic. It's not a drive thru type thing. [/QUOTE]
Hi, I'd like an abortion and some biggie size fries with a coke.[/QUOTE]
We only have Pepsi at this clinic, is that all right?
I would figure that being counseled by a nurse or social worker is about as useful as being counseled by your friends when you have fallen in love. No matter what they say, you're still going to do whatever you have your mind set on doing. This is a scenario that most people can relate to, male and female, as very few people (particularly teens) consider abortion even slightly relevant to them.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It is my understanding that before you go for an abortion, you are "counseled" by a nurse or social worker at the abortion clinic. It's not a drive thru type thing. [/QUOTE]
Hi, I'd like an abortion and some biggie size fries with a coke.[/QUOTE]
We only have Pepsi at this clinic, is that all right?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It is my understanding that before you go for an abortion, you are "counseled" by a nurse or social worker at the abortion clinic. It's not a drive thru type thing. [/QUOTE]
I would figure that being counseled by a nurse or social worker is about as useful as being counseled by your friends when you have fallen in love. No matter what they say, you're still going to do whatever you have your mind set on doing. This is a scenario that most people can relate to, male and female, as very few people (particularly teens) consider abortion even slightly relevant to them.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It is my understanding that before you go for an abortion, you are "counseled" by a nurse or social worker at the abortion clinic. It's not a drive thru type thing. [/QUOTE]
Hi, I'd like an abortion and some biggie size fries with a coke.[/QUOTE]
We only have Pepsi at this clinic, is that all right?[/QUOTE]
I would have to disagree with being counseled by a nurse or a social worker as being useless, if that is what you are trying to say. Since I am a social worker, I am a bit biased but I am aware that I can not make a differnce in everyone's lives that I come in to contact with. But if I can help just one person in my career, then it is worth it to me. If the counseling that goes on in abortion clinics helps just one girl make the right choice for her and her future, then to me, it is doing what it's supposed to do.
I would figure that being counseled by a nurse or social worker is about as useful as being counseled by your friends when you have fallen in love. No matter what they say, you're still going to do whatever you have your mind set on doing. This is a scenario that most people can relate to, male and female, as very few people (particularly teens) consider abortion even slightly relevant to them.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It is my understanding that before you go for an abortion, you are "counseled" by a nurse or social worker at the abortion clinic. It's not a drive thru type thing. [/QUOTE]
Hi, I'd like an abortion and some biggie size fries with a coke.[/QUOTE]
We only have Pepsi at this clinic, is that all right?[/QUOTE]
I would have to disagree with being counseled by a nurse or a social worker as being useless, if that is what you are trying to say. Since I am a social worker, I am a bit biased but I am aware that I can not make a differnce in everyone's lives that I come in to contact with. But if I can help just one person in my career, then it is worth it to me. If the counseling that goes on in abortion clinics helps just one girl make the right choice for her and her future, then to me, it is doing what it's supposed to do.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It is my understanding that before you go for an abortion, you are "counseled" by a nurse or social worker at the abortion clinic. It's not a drive thru type thing. [/QUOTE]
I would figure that being counseled by a nurse or social worker is about as useful as being counseled by your friends when you have fallen in love. No matter what they say, you're still going to do whatever you have your mind set on doing. This is a scenario that most people can relate to, male and female, as very few people (particularly teens) consider abortion even slightly relevant to them.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It is my understanding that before you go for an abortion, you are "counseled" by a nurse or social worker at the abortion clinic. It's not a drive thru type thing. [/QUOTE]
Hi, I'd like an abortion and some biggie size fries with a coke.[/QUOTE]
We only have Pepsi at this clinic, is that all right?[/QUOTE]
I would have to disagree with being counseled by a nurse or a social worker as being useless, if that is what you are trying to say. Since I am a social worker, I am a bit biased but I am aware that I can not make a differnce in everyone's lives that I come in to contact with. But if I can help just one person in my career, then it is worth it to me. If the counseling that goes on in abortion clinics helps just one girl make the right choice for her and her future, then to me, it is doing what it's supposed to do.
[/QUOTE]
I am in no way saying that social workers are useless. Their help is invaluable in today's society. I do, however, deny the efficacy (not to say that they are ineffective - just not effective enough) of social workers in this situation. I am just saying that they will not ALWAYS convince a pregnant girl or woman to make the right decision. It is my belief that, more times than not, they won't. I meant that if a group of friends can't convince you that you are making a mistake in your love life, then there's a slim chance that you'll be convinced by a stranger, despite the stranger's training and experience.
If we create more restrictions around abortion, then we can assure that abortion rights are not being abused. Perhaps the enforcement or creation of these restrictions are absurdly unrealistic, but they would exist in the best of all possible worlds.
I would figure that being counseled by a nurse or social worker is about as useful as being counseled by your friends when you have fallen in love. No matter what they say, you're still going to do whatever you have your mind set on doing. This is a scenario that most people can relate to, male and female, as very few people (particularly teens) consider abortion even slightly relevant to them.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It is my understanding that before you go for an abortion, you are "counseled" by a nurse or social worker at the abortion clinic. It's not a drive thru type thing. [/QUOTE]
Hi, I'd like an abortion and some biggie size fries with a coke.[/QUOTE]
We only have Pepsi at this clinic, is that all right?[/QUOTE]
I would have to disagree with being counseled by a nurse or a social worker as being useless, if that is what you are trying to say. Since I am a social worker, I am a bit biased but I am aware that I can not make a differnce in everyone's lives that I come in to contact with. But if I can help just one person in my career, then it is worth it to me. If the counseling that goes on in abortion clinics helps just one girl make the right choice for her and her future, then to me, it is doing what it's supposed to do.
[/QUOTE]
I am in no way saying that social workers are useless. Their help is invaluable in today's society. I do, however, deny the efficacy (not to say that they are ineffective - just not effective enough) of social workers in this situation. I am just saying that they will not ALWAYS convince a pregnant girl or woman to make the right decision. It is my belief that, more times than not, they won't. I meant that if a group of friends can't convince you that you are making a mistake in your love life, then there's a slim chance that you'll be convinced by a stranger, despite the stranger's training and experience.
If we create more restrictions around abortion, then we can assure that abortion rights are not being abused. Perhaps the enforcement or creation of these restrictions are absurdly unrealistic, but they would exist in the best of all possible worlds.
Meh, more restrictions means more government intervention. For me that means someone else telling me what I can and can't do with my body and having an effect on my future. Of course we both know, each situation has to be taken on a case by case basis. You can't fit every girl in to one scenario. We both know this. I just think that the "counseling" session beforehand definitely does not do any harm. It will and should ultimately be the decision of the girl to have the abortion or not. If later she regrets her decision, she'll learn from her mistake...let's hope.
I would say I'm pro-choice but still hate the thought of abortion. It's something I don't think I could ever do but members of my family have. I don't judge them for their choices, but I don't necessarily agree with their decisions. I believe there are definitely extreme cases where abortion is a valid option...like incest. Certainly if a woman was going to do it, I feel the earlier in the pregnancy the better.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Meh, more restrictions means more government intervention. For me that means someone else telling me what I can and can't do with my body and having an effect on my future. Of course we both know, each situation has to be taken on a case by case basis. You can't fit every girl in to one scenario. We both know this. I just think that the "couseling" session beforehand definitely does not do any harm. It will and should ultimately be the decision of the girl to have the abortion or not. If later she regrets her decision, she'll learn from her mistake...let's hope.[/QUOTE]
Well said. I couldn't agree more.
And when you said 'you can't fit every girl into one scenario', that made me think of these laws. They're not intended to be flexible - to consider each situation individually. They're intended to remove all options by criminalizing abortion.
Well said. I couldn't agree more.
And when you said 'you can't fit every girl into one scenario', that made me think of these laws. They're not intended to be flexible - to consider each situation individually. They're intended to remove all options by criminalizing abortion.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME] <font color=FF0099>Linda Of The Valley wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
If you abort you are KILLING a child.
[/QUOTE]
And here is where the contention lies - when is it a 'child'? At the moment of conception? At the start of the second trimester? Or when it stops feeding off its host and can survive on its own?
If you abort you are KILLING a child.
[/QUOTE]
And here is where the contention lies - when is it a 'child'? At the moment of conception? At the start of the second trimester? Or when it stops feeding off its host and can survive on its own?
A child has a fair chance at living on it's own (out of it's mother's womb) starting at 25 weeks. Anything before this, a fetus is said to have a very small chance of survival. Even if born at 25 weeks, the child would be hooked up to several different machines for months and months and may still die.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME] <font color=FF0099>Linda Of The Valley wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
exactly. and who decides this?
I happen to be for abortion and against it at the same time..oh dear I'm so confused [/QUOTE]
Science decides.
It sounds like you're for women having a choice but unsure of the choice YOU would make for yourself. That's fine. That's what pro-choice is. It's not pro-abortion, just pro------CHOICE.
exactly. and who decides this?
I happen to be for abortion and against it at the same time..oh dear I'm so confused [/QUOTE]
Science decides.
It sounds like you're for women having a choice but unsure of the choice YOU would make for yourself. That's fine. That's what pro-choice is. It's not pro-abortion, just pro------CHOICE.
Time to gas up the Back Alley abortion van, grab the pliers & wrench, and get a new pair of rubber gloves.