[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME]People like Elvis, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Bing Crosby, Art Garfunkle, Pavarotti and even Montserrat Caballe all BELIEVED they were great singers... but really sh*t song-writers - that's why they left the song eriting to the professionals.
Sometimes great song writers like Leiber & Stroller, Oscar Hammerstein, Andrew Lloyd Webber and even Bob Dylan all think they are great writers, but sh*t as singers.
The point is that those who live in either group, believe that they are in the best place tehy can be to sell their music.
Now, great singer/songwriters only really come along one a lifetime. Freddie perhaps belonged to this elite third group, but that does not really mean that he was a better singer than elvis.
As John Lennon said, "Before Elvis, there was nothing".
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first of all leiber and stoller nicked songs of other fantastic and (usually) black songwriters. one of elvis' biggest hits, hound dog, was performed long before they 'wrote it' by a woman called 'big mama thornton'. so that's a pile of hack.
get real here. Elvis was a poor and uneducated southern white boy, who was manipulated by others to make lots of money, of of the backs of poor and uneducated southern black people. in the 1950's all the major record labels eventually saw the money that was to come with rock n roll, and got some people of their own that they made 'stars'. even the small record company that elvis first signed to had been looking for a white 'black' singer for a long time, before they found him.
he was good looking, he could sing, or rather imitate other people, cos that's all he was doing imitating arther crudup and the like, and he could move. but most importantly of all, he was white and could be manipulated by higher powers...that's why he was so popular.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]i'm going slight mad... wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME]People like Elvis, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Bing Crosby, Art Garfunkle, Pavarotti and even Montserrat Caballe all BELIEVED they were great singers... but really sh*t song-writers - that's why they left the song eriting to the professionals.
Sometimes great song writers like Leiber & Stroller, Oscar Hammerstein, Andrew Lloyd Webber and even Bob Dylan all think they are great writers, but sh*t as singers.
The point is that those who live in either group, believe that they are in the best place tehy can be to sell their music.
Now, great singer/songwriters only really come along one a lifetime. Freddie perhaps belonged to this elite third group, but that does not really mean that he was a better singer than elvis.
As John Lennon said, "Before Elvis, there was nothing".
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first of all leiber and stoller nicked songs of other fantastic and (usually) black songwriters. one of elvis' biggest hits, hound dog, was performed long before they 'wrote it' by a woman called 'big mama thornton'. so that's a pile of hack.
get real here. Elvis was a poor and uneducated southern white boy, who was manipulated by others to make lots of money, of of the backs of poor and uneducated southern black people. in the 1950's all the major record labels eventually saw the money that was to come with rock n roll, and got some people of their own that they made 'stars'. even the small record company that elvis first signed to had been looking for a white 'black' singer for a long time, before they found him.
he was good looking, he could sing, or rather imitate other people, cos that's all he was doing imitating arther crudup and the like, and he could move. but most importantly of all, he was white and could be manipulated by higher powers...that's why he was so popular.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with you.
Elvis and RCA Records did indeed steal what black musicians had already done before, and were trying to sell it to a white audience with a white package.
Let's be REAL. If Elvis was black, there's no way he would have had the same success he had. At least not in the America of the 50s where black people were seen by most people in a totally different way.
Sometimes great song writers like Leiber & Stroller, Oscar Hammerstein, Andrew Lloyd Webber and even Bob Dylan all think they are great writers, but sh*t as singers.
The point is that those who live in either group, believe that they are in the best place tehy can be to sell their music.
Now, great singer/songwriters only really come along one a lifetime. Freddie perhaps belonged to this elite third group, but that does not really mean that he was a better singer than elvis.
As John Lennon said, "Before Elvis, there was nothing".
[/QUOTE]
first of all leiber and stoller nicked songs of other fantastic and (usually) black songwriters. one of elvis' biggest hits, hound dog, was performed long before they 'wrote it' by a woman called 'big mama thornton'. so that's a pile of hack.
get real here. Elvis was a poor and uneducated southern white boy, who was manipulated by others to make lots of money, of of the backs of poor and uneducated southern black people. in the 1950's all the major record labels eventually saw the money that was to come with rock n roll, and got some people of their own that they made 'stars'. even the small record company that elvis first signed to had been looking for a white 'black' singer for a long time, before they found him.
he was good looking, he could sing, or rather imitate other people, cos that's all he was doing imitating arther crudup and the like, and he could move. but most importantly of all, he was white and could be manipulated by higher powers...that's why he was so popular.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with you.
Elvis and RCA Records did indeed steal what black musicians had already done before, and were trying to sell it to a white audience with a white package.
Let's be REAL. If Elvis was black, there's no way he would have had the same success he had. At least not in the America of the 50s where black people were seen by most people in a totally different way.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Elvis and RCA Records did indeed steal what black musicians had already done before, and were trying to sell it to a white audience with a white package.
Let's be REAL. If Elvis was black, there's no way he would have had the same success he had. At least not in the America of the 50s where black people were seen by most people in a totally different way.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely correct. And since this white guy with sway and charisma DID indeed sell this 'new' music to the white audience - and managed to keep interest high - he's considered 'the king'.
Elvis and RCA Records did indeed steal what black musicians had already done before, and were trying to sell it to a white audience with a white package.
Let's be REAL. If Elvis was black, there's no way he would have had the same success he had. At least not in the America of the 50s where black people were seen by most people in a totally different way.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely correct. And since this white guy with sway and charisma DID indeed sell this 'new' music to the white audience - and managed to keep interest high - he's considered 'the king'.
i like elvis too.
he's over rated but i like him sometimes he had a crazy weird voice