[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Rip Van Winkle wrote: [/QUOTENAME]A few posters throw out generic complaints of "disturbing" or "private", but give no explanation of why the content of the video is objectionable. Pim compares the video to a blow job. YV deletes her message after the link was deleted.
It almost appears that TRS was bullied into deleting the link, but no explanation is available. It would have been nice if the thread could have remained unedited so that perhaps some explanation for the deleted link would be available.[/QUOTE]
I reposted my original message and I don't see any "bullying" here only because I dare to have an opinion. You are really overdramatising the situation. People have different views and for me there is a huge difference between this video of a baby and the Montserrat Caballe tape - which is of interest for Queen fans and collectors. I also think that the previously posted snippets of the IGSM outtakes are of interest for fans and collectors, I just would prefer if Stefan would not post these 20 sec bits. I think that is not sharing, it's bragging.[/QUOTE]
Presenting your opinion is one thing. However, your opinion was no where to be found just after the links were deleteted. You deleted it after TRS deleted the links No explanation of why the links were deleted was available at that time, and TRS refered to your deleted entry.
This is the first time I have seen sharing refered to as bragging. Bragging is when you repeatedly say you have a song but won't share it.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Personally, I think "Freddie's Loves" was more of an invasion into Freddie's privacy than this snippet of tenderness. His close friends and lovers told all about the most personal aspects of Freddie's life in that one.
It showed the part of Freddie's life that he worked very hard to keep private. Yet there it was, available for all of us to save to our hard drives. Do you think he wanted us to see him singing in a bubble bath? Or to hear details about his past lovers? Peter Freestone was part of that for heavens sake. As was Jim.
"His cock was huge," Peter said at one point.
"Yes, he was a good lover," Jim said with a snicker at another.
I don't recall any complaints about that. Yes, this is a private home video. But when you compare the two for privacy infringement, how can anyone justify blasting the sharing of this one over the other? [/QUOTE]
Excellent post
It showed the part of Freddie's life that he worked very hard to keep private. Yet there it was, available for all of us to save to our hard drives. Do you think he wanted us to see him singing in a bubble bath? Or to hear details about his past lovers? Peter Freestone was part of that for heavens sake. As was Jim.
"His cock was huge," Peter said at one point.
"Yes, he was a good lover," Jim said with a snicker at another.
I don't recall any complaints about that. Yes, this is a private home video. But when you compare the two for privacy infringement, how can anyone justify blasting the sharing of this one over the other? [/QUOTE]
Excellent post
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME].DeaconJohn. wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Few people seem feel this way - and I can't say I'm surprised, knowing how obsessive alot of Queen fans seem to be regarding FM - most people seem to be of the opinion that they are entitled to watch this because they enjoyed Freddie's music. [/QUOTE]
It's not about entitlement, it's about perspective. This video is in no way hurtful, slanderous or embarrassing. As I said before, I think "Freddie's Loves" was more intrusive than this.
What's happening in this clip that upsets so many of you? Why is a 2-minute video of Freddie playing with a child causing such concern? Private conversation is not being shared. Body parts are not being exposed. It's a playful moment with a kid - from 16 years ago. Objection to it doesn't make sense to me.
Of course everyone is entitled to his/her opinion but I'm sure there is other more objectionable material out there to be upset about.
To each his own. I, for one, am grateful for the chance to have seen this.
Few people seem feel this way - and I can't say I'm surprised, knowing how obsessive alot of Queen fans seem to be regarding FM - most people seem to be of the opinion that they are entitled to watch this because they enjoyed Freddie's music. [/QUOTE]
It's not about entitlement, it's about perspective. This video is in no way hurtful, slanderous or embarrassing. As I said before, I think "Freddie's Loves" was more intrusive than this.
What's happening in this clip that upsets so many of you? Why is a 2-minute video of Freddie playing with a child causing such concern? Private conversation is not being shared. Body parts are not being exposed. It's a playful moment with a kid - from 16 years ago. Objection to it doesn't make sense to me.
Of course everyone is entitled to his/her opinion but I'm sure there is other more objectionable material out there to be upset about.
To each his own. I, for one, am grateful for the chance to have seen this.
'Awkward'. Thank you; that's the word I was looking for!
Because I felt a bit awkward watching that movie. I love Freddie to death, I can appreciate some private footage... but this felt just a bit too far for me.
I actually felt a bit uncomfortable.
*edited - emotional rambling ;-)
It's very emotional footage.
It hits ME pretty hard!
It must hit Mary, or anyone involved in this or close to Freddie even harder.
I personally DO believe that they would not appreciate this to be out there for everybody to watch.
So out of respect for Freddie and everybody close to him, I feel I need to disapprove.
Sorry, TRS, I do appreciate your intentions as much as I appreciate all your previous movies! :-)
Because I felt a bit awkward watching that movie. I love Freddie to death, I can appreciate some private footage... but this felt just a bit too far for me.
I actually felt a bit uncomfortable.
*edited - emotional rambling ;-)
It's very emotional footage.
It hits ME pretty hard!
It must hit Mary, or anyone involved in this or close to Freddie even harder.
I personally DO believe that they would not appreciate this to be out there for everybody to watch.
So out of respect for Freddie and everybody close to him, I feel I need to disapprove.
Sorry, TRS, I do appreciate your intentions as much as I appreciate all your previous movies! :-)
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""His cock was huge," Peter said at one point.
"Yes, he was a good lover," Jim said with a snicker at another.
I don't recall any complaints about that. Yes, this is a private home video. But when you compare the two for privacy infringement, how can anyone justify blasting the sharing of this one over the other?"
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- I didn't know anything about that. That is horrendous, and should not have happened. So, there is no double-standards from my point of view. I think they are both wrong.
I think its obvious that both Jim and Peter have cashed in on the whole Freddie thing since his death.
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"What's happening in this clip that upsets so many of you? Why is a 2-minute video of Freddie playing with a child causing such concern? Private conversation is not being shared. Body parts are not being exposed. It's a playful moment with a kid - from 16 years ago. Objection to it doesn't make sense to me. "
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- as I said in the previous post, there is nothing obscene about this clip. It is a perfectly innocent, and, to be frank, quite boring clip. But it is a home video, and hence private. I'm not getting too worked up over it, its not that big a deal, but I do think that it was disrespectful to leak it.
""His cock was huge," Peter said at one point.
"Yes, he was a good lover," Jim said with a snicker at another.
I don't recall any complaints about that. Yes, this is a private home video. But when you compare the two for privacy infringement, how can anyone justify blasting the sharing of this one over the other?"
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- I didn't know anything about that. That is horrendous, and should not have happened. So, there is no double-standards from my point of view. I think they are both wrong.
I think its obvious that both Jim and Peter have cashed in on the whole Freddie thing since his death.
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"What's happening in this clip that upsets so many of you? Why is a 2-minute video of Freddie playing with a child causing such concern? Private conversation is not being shared. Body parts are not being exposed. It's a playful moment with a kid - from 16 years ago. Objection to it doesn't make sense to me. "
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- as I said in the previous post, there is nothing obscene about this clip. It is a perfectly innocent, and, to be frank, quite boring clip. But it is a home video, and hence private. I'm not getting too worked up over it, its not that big a deal, but I do think that it was disrespectful to leak it.
what a nice video!!!! freddie loved the kids!!!! this is a very emotional video!!! Thank you very much!!!! Muchas gracias!!!!
TSR. You are a true "Freddie Mercury Paparrazzi",
not only these disgusting 20 sec snippets lately, now that!
This is just another way of presenting yourself, as the famous guy with those SO PRIVATE videos,recieved from the inner circle of Freddie closest friends.
I wonder what kind of devil rode Peter, or who ever gave you this meterial.
What would you say, if someone publishes YOUR very personal footage?
Its a pitty that Freddie can´t kick you in your a.. no more for doing this.He surely would.
not only these disgusting 20 sec snippets lately, now that!
This is just another way of presenting yourself, as the famous guy with those SO PRIVATE videos,recieved from the inner circle of Freddie closest friends.
I wonder what kind of devil rode Peter, or who ever gave you this meterial.
What would you say, if someone publishes YOUR very personal footage?
Its a pitty that Freddie can´t kick you in your a.. no more for doing this.He surely would.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]frank39 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]TSR. You are a true "Freddie Mercury Paparrazzi",
not only these disgusting 20 sec snippets lately, now that!
This is just another way of presenting yourself, as the famous guy with those SO PRIVATE videos,recieved from the inner circle of Freddie closest friends.
I wonder what kind of devil rode Peter, or who ever gave you this meterial.
What would you say, if someone publishes YOUR very personal footage?
Its a pitty that Freddie can´t kick you in your a.. no more for doing this.He surely would.[/QUOTE]
Frank your point has been taken ...
As you remember you contacted me in march of this year, asking if I would trade the video for something equally rare. I said in return that I am allowed to trade the video I have partially, but I haven't done so (for more than 2 years I have this footage).
I have considered it for trading, I have been in touch with some people (and I made have made silly comments and even I made mistakes or was misinterpred back then)
But to come here now with your comments after YOU wrote me by email (on the 17th of march 2006) saying:
"nice, you are going to upload another snippet of the GL tapes"
"Is there any chance for a deal, even if its money?"
"I wouldn´t trade it, not without your permission.
What do you think, is there any chance for me? I am searching since years"
I think regarding your last post in this thread, I made my point that in March you did not mind me uploading snippets, and now you are telling me that you find it disgusting...
Point taken. I hope you also got my point! No offence.
Stefan
not only these disgusting 20 sec snippets lately, now that!
This is just another way of presenting yourself, as the famous guy with those SO PRIVATE videos,recieved from the inner circle of Freddie closest friends.
I wonder what kind of devil rode Peter, or who ever gave you this meterial.
What would you say, if someone publishes YOUR very personal footage?
Its a pitty that Freddie can´t kick you in your a.. no more for doing this.He surely would.[/QUOTE]
Frank your point has been taken ...
As you remember you contacted me in march of this year, asking if I would trade the video for something equally rare. I said in return that I am allowed to trade the video I have partially, but I haven't done so (for more than 2 years I have this footage).
I have considered it for trading, I have been in touch with some people (and I made have made silly comments and even I made mistakes or was misinterpred back then)
But to come here now with your comments after YOU wrote me by email (on the 17th of march 2006) saying:
"nice, you are going to upload another snippet of the GL tapes"
"Is there any chance for a deal, even if its money?"
"I wouldn´t trade it, not without your permission.
What do you think, is there any chance for me? I am searching since years"
I think regarding your last post in this thread, I made my point that in March you did not mind me uploading snippets, and now you are telling me that you find it disgusting...
Point taken. I hope you also got my point! No offence.
Stefan
Concerning the snippets:
that day, I was thinking, you are going to upload the whole video in snippets, the WHOLE video from GL!
When I realized, you were about to post only these 3 little 20 sec. teasers, the whole thing was over for me.
Concerning my money offer:
what I know from the GL tapes, they also contain 4,5 music tracks, with Freddie on piano ( improvising some tunes, nice title among it: " F... off and die you fag" ... and others.
Thats what I am and was interested in. Audio version of it is widely spread on the net. Therefore my money offer. The Japanese Garden footage and others was never my interest.
I would never be interested in wathing an HIV infected person, hiding behind a little child, knowing that his life will soon be over, in fact just 1 more year.
As I said. thats Paparrazzi like.
that day, I was thinking, you are going to upload the whole video in snippets, the WHOLE video from GL!
When I realized, you were about to post only these 3 little 20 sec. teasers, the whole thing was over for me.
Concerning my money offer:
what I know from the GL tapes, they also contain 4,5 music tracks, with Freddie on piano ( improvising some tunes, nice title among it: " F... off and die you fag" ... and others.
Thats what I am and was interested in. Audio version of it is widely spread on the net. Therefore my money offer. The Japanese Garden footage and others was never my interest.
I would never be interested in wathing an HIV infected person, hiding behind a little child, knowing that his life will soon be over, in fact just 1 more year.
As I said. thats Paparrazzi like.
Stop all the fighting!
wtf people , shut the fuck up and be glad that you get to see freddie somemore instead of acting like freddies lawyor.
Ive never seen this much complaints about a good thing like this video. Freddie is dead , he doesnt have a privacy anymore , get over it.
Like freddie used to say : NOTHING REALLY MATTERS
Ive never seen this much complaints about a good thing like this video. Freddie is dead , he doesnt have a privacy anymore , get over it.
Like freddie used to say : NOTHING REALLY MATTERS
wtf people , shut the fuck up and be glad that you get to see freddie somemore instead of acting like freddies lawyor.
Ive never seen this much complaints about a good thing like this video. Freddie is dead , he doesnt have a privacy anymore , get over it.
Like freddie used to say : NOTHING REALLY MATTERS
Ive never seen this much complaints about a good thing like this video. Freddie is dead , he doesnt have a privacy anymore , get over it.
Like freddie used to say : NOTHING REALLY MATTERS
It is a great video showing Freddie as a private person; the way he really was and not as some cock hungry fuck showing off for the camera. Thank you for sharing.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]frank39 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Concerning the snippets:
that day, I was thinking, you are going to upload the whole video in snippets, the WHOLE video from GL!
When I realized, you were about to post only these 3 little 20 sec. teasers, the whole thing was over for me.
Concerning my money offer:
what I know from the GL tapes, they also contain 4,5 music tracks, with Freddie on piano ( improvising some tunes, nice title among it: " F... off and die you fag" ... and others.
Thats what I am and was interested in. Audio version of it is widely spread on the net. Therefore my money offer. The Japanese Garden footage and others was never my interest.
I would never be interested in wathing an HIV infected person, hiding behind a little child, knowing that his life will soon be over, in fact just 1 more year.
As I said. thats Paparrazzi like.[/QUOTE]
Dear Frank, be very honest! You were referring in your e-mail being happy about the VIDEO snippets I already had uploaded or were planning to upload regarding video footage!
Since you call me a paparazzi , well ... who was the one who offered me money (cash!) to buy the video I have? Yes indeed it was you, and be sure that you were not discussing the Garden Lodge tapes on "video" ( Which are surely not the same or ever communicated liket that as were recorded by Phoebe), since those ones have never been filmed anyway! But even if you meant the Phoebe Garden Lodge tape on video (which does not excists), you were looking after private video footage anyway ..
And which you have never asked me about or referred to in your emails to me in any way shape or form!
I am sorry to say so, but you offered money for the VIDEO tapes (which you are allowed to do) , but which I refused kindly . You liked the video snippets I uploaded (or where going to be uploaded) ... ,so please be sure that what you said in your e-mails referred to private video footage that YOU wanted (and no reference to the "phoebe" tapes "incidentily" recorded on video)!
I wonder myself why I am having to defend myself since the majority did really enjoy the snippets/footage ...
And now to have somebody (meaning you Frank) being somewhat nasty with me ... (I am not in it for the money or the "fame" or the be important).
But surely Frank, you were willing to write down a cheque ... I am sorry, do not insult me while your were begging for the footage and now to complain so harshly !
As you wrote in your emails:
=======================
" Hi Stefan,
nice, you are going to upload another snippet of the GL tapes.
I don´t know what I should offer you?
I´m afraid I have nothing equal rare at the moment.
3 weeks ago, I would have offered you my Houston 77 DVD, but it´s up and out
now.
Besides my website, I still have some stuff, I havn´t published yet. But
honestly, its not that rare.
Some TV reports and similar stuff.
I could offer some Originals (Audio Bootlegs) like Rainbow 74, Vienna 86,
and some more pressed CDs.
( Are you a Bowie fan too....got some nice and very rare DVD stuff???)
Money??? Even Money plus ???.
Don´t be astonished, I am really search since years, just like Houston, I
was looking since 1999, finally I got it.
Its up to you, to minimize my time of searching for the GL tapes.-:)))
With best regards
Frank
And I wouldn´t bother you, if you say No.-:)))
----- Original Message -----
From: "........." <stefan.....@.........>
To: <frank@........>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: freddie private footage video info
Dear Frank,
I have this video in my possesion for about 2 years or so and only shared
(with permission of the owner) 2 minutes for ...
I am allowed to trade it further but I havent done so yet.... since nothing
has crossed my path which is equally rare as
private footage.
Stefan
PS watch
that day, I was thinking, you are going to upload the whole video in snippets, the WHOLE video from GL!
When I realized, you were about to post only these 3 little 20 sec. teasers, the whole thing was over for me.
Concerning my money offer:
what I know from the GL tapes, they also contain 4,5 music tracks, with Freddie on piano ( improvising some tunes, nice title among it: " F... off and die you fag" ... and others.
Thats what I am and was interested in. Audio version of it is widely spread on the net. Therefore my money offer. The Japanese Garden footage and others was never my interest.
I would never be interested in wathing an HIV infected person, hiding behind a little child, knowing that his life will soon be over, in fact just 1 more year.
As I said. thats Paparrazzi like.[/QUOTE]
Dear Frank, be very honest! You were referring in your e-mail being happy about the VIDEO snippets I already had uploaded or were planning to upload regarding video footage!
Since you call me a paparazzi , well ... who was the one who offered me money (cash!) to buy the video I have? Yes indeed it was you, and be sure that you were not discussing the Garden Lodge tapes on "video" ( Which are surely not the same or ever communicated liket that as were recorded by Phoebe), since those ones have never been filmed anyway! But even if you meant the Phoebe Garden Lodge tape on video (which does not excists), you were looking after private video footage anyway ..
And which you have never asked me about or referred to in your emails to me in any way shape or form!
I am sorry to say so, but you offered money for the VIDEO tapes (which you are allowed to do) , but which I refused kindly . You liked the video snippets I uploaded (or where going to be uploaded) ... ,so please be sure that what you said in your e-mails referred to private video footage that YOU wanted (and no reference to the "phoebe" tapes "incidentily" recorded on video)!
I wonder myself why I am having to defend myself since the majority did really enjoy the snippets/footage ...
And now to have somebody (meaning you Frank) being somewhat nasty with me ... (I am not in it for the money or the "fame" or the be important).
But surely Frank, you were willing to write down a cheque ... I am sorry, do not insult me while your were begging for the footage and now to complain so harshly !
As you wrote in your emails:
=======================
" Hi Stefan,
nice, you are going to upload another snippet of the GL tapes.
I don´t know what I should offer you?
I´m afraid I have nothing equal rare at the moment.
3 weeks ago, I would have offered you my Houston 77 DVD, but it´s up and out
now.
Besides my website, I still have some stuff, I havn´t published yet. But
honestly, its not that rare.
Some TV reports and similar stuff.
I could offer some Originals (Audio Bootlegs) like Rainbow 74, Vienna 86,
and some more pressed CDs.
( Are you a Bowie fan too....got some nice and very rare DVD stuff???)
Money??? Even Money plus ???.
Don´t be astonished, I am really search since years, just like Houston, I
was looking since 1999, finally I got it.
Its up to you, to minimize my time of searching for the GL tapes.-:)))
With best regards
Frank
And I wouldn´t bother you, if you say No.-:)))
----- Original Message -----
From: "........." <stefan.....@.........>
To: <frank@........>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: freddie private footage video info
Dear Frank,
I have this video in my possesion for about 2 years or so and only shared
(with permission of the owner) 2 minutes for ...
I am allowed to trade it further but I havent done so yet.... since nothing
has crossed my path which is equally rare as
private footage.
Stefan
PS watch