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"Key people", "bottom-end collector" what a nice terminology, shows more than long posts. "They'll never share anything",... but I am sure they take it all here.
Any lists of those 2 species here arround?
Any lists of those 2 species here arround?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]frank39 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"Key people", "bottom-end collector" what a nice terminology, shows more than long posts. "They'll never share anything",... but I am sure they take it all here.
Any lists of those 2 species here arround?[/QUOTE]
Now you´ve said it all!!
They don´t share a thing, but they come here too for free downloads. I don´t care about them anymore. If they don´t want to share, it´s fine.
We´ll survive, but i supose that in your case it´s more frustating, because you have shared freely some great stuff that you bought in the first place.
Let´s hope that in the future they´ll see you and others as a good example, and if they are downloading for free, the least they could do is upload for free too. I don´t think there are more worthy fans that others, even if they only have 14 years old. Music is for everybody!!
But it takes time to change minds!
Take care
Any lists of those 2 species here arround?[/QUOTE]
Now you´ve said it all!!
They don´t share a thing, but they come here too for free downloads. I don´t care about them anymore. If they don´t want to share, it´s fine.
We´ll survive, but i supose that in your case it´s more frustating, because you have shared freely some great stuff that you bought in the first place.
Let´s hope that in the future they´ll see you and others as a good example, and if they are downloading for free, the least they could do is upload for free too. I don´t think there are more worthy fans that others, even if they only have 14 years old. Music is for everybody!!
But it takes time to change minds!
Take care
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bobby_brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME]They don´t share a thing, but they come here too for free downloads. I don´t care about them anymore. If they don´t want to share, it´s fine.
We´ll survive, but i supose that in your case it´s more frustating, because you have shared freely some great stuff that you bought in the first place. [/QUOTE]
It's not nearly that simple. When unusual things get shared here, do you think the cds just fell into someone's mailbox and
onto the Internet, or that there was some kind of long process in order to obtain them? I don't see you in collecting circles
trying to obtain rare things with intention of sharing them here, so who are you to talk?
We´ll survive, but i supose that in your case it´s more frustating, because you have shared freely some great stuff that you bought in the first place. [/QUOTE]
It's not nearly that simple. When unusual things get shared here, do you think the cds just fell into someone's mailbox and
onto the Internet, or that there was some kind of long process in order to obtain them? I don't see you in collecting circles
trying to obtain rare things with intention of sharing them here, so who are you to talk?
In fact it is simple:
"THEY never share anything", how true is that!! But take it all from here for free.
Sorry, I forgot: THEY shared 3 sec. of Puebla, or 30 sec. fish snippet.
"THEY never share anything", how true is that!! But take it all from here for free.
Sorry, I forgot: THEY shared 3 sec. of Puebla, or 30 sec. fish snippet.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6>
It's not nearly that simple. When unusual things get shared here, do you think the cds just fell into someone's mailbox and
onto the Internet, or that there was some kind of long process in order to obtain them? I don't see you in collecting circles
trying to obtain rare things with intention of sharing them here, so who are you to talk?[/QUOTE]
So, are you trying to say to me that every good collector already have the DVD Frank39 shared here for free with that quality?- I doubt it.
And about Silver Salmon or Polar Bear?
They didn´t got that from colleting circles. Even big collectors don´t have everything you know?
But what i see, is John S Stuart looking for "Face it alone" and other demos and he doesdn´t have many things left for a good trade.
Some collectors are leechers too, and they too come to queenzone to leech and in the end don´t share anything in return. Of course, they´re good collectors, they only trade.
Who am i to talk?
Please, read the Frank39 replys so you can see how much he has payed for the Houston77 DVD that he shared here for free.
I really don´t care about if they share or not, i don´t guive a shit about them!
I just don´t like their quiet leeching attitude!
At least they could say thanks for the original uploader. Do they do that? No, because they don´t admit they are leechers.
Take care
It's not nearly that simple. When unusual things get shared here, do you think the cds just fell into someone's mailbox and
onto the Internet, or that there was some kind of long process in order to obtain them? I don't see you in collecting circles
trying to obtain rare things with intention of sharing them here, so who are you to talk?[/QUOTE]
So, are you trying to say to me that every good collector already have the DVD Frank39 shared here for free with that quality?- I doubt it.
And about Silver Salmon or Polar Bear?
They didn´t got that from colleting circles. Even big collectors don´t have everything you know?
But what i see, is John S Stuart looking for "Face it alone" and other demos and he doesdn´t have many things left for a good trade.
Some collectors are leechers too, and they too come to queenzone to leech and in the end don´t share anything in return. Of course, they´re good collectors, they only trade.
Who am i to talk?
Please, read the Frank39 replys so you can see how much he has payed for the Houston77 DVD that he shared here for free.
I really don´t care about if they share or not, i don´t guive a shit about them!
I just don´t like their quiet leeching attitude!
At least they could say thanks for the original uploader. Do they do that? No, because they don´t admit they are leechers.
Take care
I'm getting quite sick and tired of the people here whining about the "traders". In this case I'll consider myself a trader and all the things said on this forum about traders (that 'we' are bloodsuckers and only want to profit from the recordings we work hard and work long for to get - and spend a lot of money on them; with postage and CDs it's normal if you 'pay' €2,- per recording, imagine if you have 200+ recordings...) there are maybe 1 or 2 sick minded 'traders' around who sell recordings and profit from them.
Therefore I would say that it would be better to have 99% of the recordings posted on this forum. Why do you think, that there are almost no new (lossless) recordings posted on this forum? Because traders are being scared away and frustrated due to the mentality of most of the people on this forum. Would you give something to people who only whine about the trading mentality? It's just not true what most of you guys say about us.
To go on about the fact that almost no new (lossless) recordings are shared on this forum is in my opinion due to the fact that a lot of people here are happy with a simple mp3 recording. As long as those low quality standards and the sh*tty mentality (mentioned above) doesn't change I don't think bloodsucking people (traders) will post ANYTHING here.
So won't I and I think that these are some of the prime reasons for John not posting the BBC recordings for free here. And if this goes on, I feel sorry for you John, I don't think that someone will offer a rare recording so that these BBC recordings can be shared on here.
To go back on topic; I don't think that Thomas, a nice trader who actually tried to get more people sharing their recordings here by posting some great recordings, want's to see the BBC masters end up here. Not due to the fact that he's greedy but just because of the great trading mentality he has. Everyone can get to nice and (now) rare recordings. It just takes time. If you don't want to take the time to get to these recordings don't whine on the people who do want to spend years and years of time on it.
Therefore I would say that it would be better to have 99% of the recordings posted on this forum. Why do you think, that there are almost no new (lossless) recordings posted on this forum? Because traders are being scared away and frustrated due to the mentality of most of the people on this forum. Would you give something to people who only whine about the trading mentality? It's just not true what most of you guys say about us.
To go on about the fact that almost no new (lossless) recordings are shared on this forum is in my opinion due to the fact that a lot of people here are happy with a simple mp3 recording. As long as those low quality standards and the sh*tty mentality (mentioned above) doesn't change I don't think bloodsucking people (traders) will post ANYTHING here.
So won't I and I think that these are some of the prime reasons for John not posting the BBC recordings for free here. And if this goes on, I feel sorry for you John, I don't think that someone will offer a rare recording so that these BBC recordings can be shared on here.
To go back on topic; I don't think that Thomas, a nice trader who actually tried to get more people sharing their recordings here by posting some great recordings, want's to see the BBC masters end up here. Not due to the fact that he's greedy but just because of the great trading mentality he has. Everyone can get to nice and (now) rare recordings. It just takes time. If you don't want to take the time to get to these recordings don't whine on the people who do want to spend years and years of time on it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font size="1">Ðon Gerolamo</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
To go on about the fact that almost no new (lossless) recordings are shared on this forum is in my opinion due to the fact that a lot of people here are happy with a simple mp3 recording. As long as those low quality standards and the sh*tty mentality (mentioned above) doesn't change I don't think bloodsucking people (traders) will post ANYTHING here.
So won't I and I think that these are some of the prime reasons for John not posting the BBC recordings for free here. And if this goes on, I feel sorry for you John, I don't think that someone will offer a rare recording so that these BBC recordings can be shared on here.
.[/QUOTE]
I´ve never called any names to traders, and of course there are traders and traders.
Let me just ask you this:
Where do you think they got the 2005/2006 Queen+Paul Rodgers tours?- Did they waited for the bootlegs, or did they downloaded here for free?- Did they ever thanked the uploader?
Did they ever shared something in return, even if it was mp3, so they could keep the lossless format for themselves?
Of course in this forum we have great traders, and we know who they are, and if they don´t want to share something rare they don´t have to! We know who they are and at least they treat everybody as equals. They don´t have the smartass attitude!
First, i don´t believe that traders don´t share their stuff because they´re afraid of people converting it to mp3, simply because if they are going to share in Lossless they don´t need to buy it afterwards! They already have the better version.
Trading is about strenght, and that strenght comes when you have something rare, dificult to find! As i said before i don´t care if they share or not, but it´s hard to see guys like Frank39, John S Stuart and others sharing some great and rare stuff, loosing streght to those who can only leech!
When you say that John S Stuart doesn´t share the BBC sessions in lossless for free because of the low quality standarts of this forum, i think you´re so wrong! He doesn´t share them for free, because he has lost the power of trade to the others that kept leeching his stuff for nothing in return, so the only way John has to have something in return is to propose these deals.
If he uploads the lossless formats of this sessions for free do you think he would get something in return?
How about the very high quality standards of traders as you call it?- John is ofering the lossless in return of the mp3 demos (assuming the lossless is in the hands of QueenProductions), and still no one accepted his offer. They don´t mind having the mp3 version like the rest of us.
So much for the standards!!!
And by the way, when you say that you are a trader, making looking very important, let me just say that i don´t guive any importance at all to that title!
- you guys take that very seriously-like it´s some kind of a secret society- You almost got to the DaVinci Code!!
Take care
To go on about the fact that almost no new (lossless) recordings are shared on this forum is in my opinion due to the fact that a lot of people here are happy with a simple mp3 recording. As long as those low quality standards and the sh*tty mentality (mentioned above) doesn't change I don't think bloodsucking people (traders) will post ANYTHING here.
So won't I and I think that these are some of the prime reasons for John not posting the BBC recordings for free here. And if this goes on, I feel sorry for you John, I don't think that someone will offer a rare recording so that these BBC recordings can be shared on here.
.[/QUOTE]
I´ve never called any names to traders, and of course there are traders and traders.
Let me just ask you this:
Where do you think they got the 2005/2006 Queen+Paul Rodgers tours?- Did they waited for the bootlegs, or did they downloaded here for free?- Did they ever thanked the uploader?
Did they ever shared something in return, even if it was mp3, so they could keep the lossless format for themselves?
Of course in this forum we have great traders, and we know who they are, and if they don´t want to share something rare they don´t have to! We know who they are and at least they treat everybody as equals. They don´t have the smartass attitude!
First, i don´t believe that traders don´t share their stuff because they´re afraid of people converting it to mp3, simply because if they are going to share in Lossless they don´t need to buy it afterwards! They already have the better version.
Trading is about strenght, and that strenght comes when you have something rare, dificult to find! As i said before i don´t care if they share or not, but it´s hard to see guys like Frank39, John S Stuart and others sharing some great and rare stuff, loosing streght to those who can only leech!
When you say that John S Stuart doesn´t share the BBC sessions in lossless for free because of the low quality standarts of this forum, i think you´re so wrong! He doesn´t share them for free, because he has lost the power of trade to the others that kept leeching his stuff for nothing in return, so the only way John has to have something in return is to propose these deals.
If he uploads the lossless formats of this sessions for free do you think he would get something in return?
How about the very high quality standards of traders as you call it?- John is ofering the lossless in return of the mp3 demos (assuming the lossless is in the hands of QueenProductions), and still no one accepted his offer. They don´t mind having the mp3 version like the rest of us.
So much for the standards!!!
And by the way, when you say that you are a trader, making looking very important, let me just say that i don´t guive any importance at all to that title!
- you guys take that very seriously-like it´s some kind of a secret society- You almost got to the DaVinci Code!!
Take care
We don't have the DaVinci Code or something else like that, and I'm not trying to be a smartass. I'm just commenting on the sh*tty attitude of some people on this forum. That's what keeps me from sharing recordings here. Yes I have recordings nobody has, that doesn't make me God, but IF the recordings were shared here in lossless quality and all for free it would be a much better place. I'm not saying that every trader or collector get scared from people saying that but some just don't want to give away the recordings they got with a lot of efford to people who just call them names and pollute the trading pool by converting it to mp3.
Ofcourse that is good for people who don't have a great internet connection. But look at other communities like from Bon Jovi and Nirvana. They share almost everything with eachother and have a huge sense of perfectionism about the lineage and things like that. Ok tell me I'm a dreamer, but this would be great for the Queen community to have.
About the reason why John doesn't post it for free... Let him reply. If I'm mistaking I'll eat one of my socks and tape it for you. And I'll SHARE IT HERE FOR FREE.
So please flame on on me but this is how I think and in this world everyone has a right on his own opinion.
Ofcourse that is good for people who don't have a great internet connection. But look at other communities like from Bon Jovi and Nirvana. They share almost everything with eachother and have a huge sense of perfectionism about the lineage and things like that. Ok tell me I'm a dreamer, but this would be great for the Queen community to have.
About the reason why John doesn't post it for free... Let him reply. If I'm mistaking I'll eat one of my socks and tape it for you. And I'll SHARE IT HERE FOR FREE.
So please flame on on me but this is how I think and in this world everyone has a right on his own opinion.
one more word to Houston77:
After having uploaded it to Rapidshare, which took me some days and nights, there was really a lot of Thank-You, Great, what a nice concert...
Thanks back for these kind words here.
It was quite interesting to see, who did NOT say any thanks, The well known KEY PEOPLE here didn´t leave single reply.
There can only be 2 reasons:
All those so called Key people already had Houston77 for quite a long time!!!! Sitting with their ass on it since years.
And THEY were angry about me for this upload, their perl was no longer a trading perl.
I even got mails with "send Rapidshare to hell".
Nice, isn´t it??
Or THEY didn´t have it yet, but downmoaded it here for free, of course, like some ungrateful leechers.
After having uploaded it to Rapidshare, which took me some days and nights, there was really a lot of Thank-You, Great, what a nice concert...
Thanks back for these kind words here.
It was quite interesting to see, who did NOT say any thanks, The well known KEY PEOPLE here didn´t leave single reply.
There can only be 2 reasons:
All those so called Key people already had Houston77 for quite a long time!!!! Sitting with their ass on it since years.
And THEY were angry about me for this upload, their perl was no longer a trading perl.
I even got mails with "send Rapidshare to hell".
Nice, isn´t it??
Or THEY didn´t have it yet, but downmoaded it here for free, of course, like some ungrateful leechers.
3 versions of Houston came out about the same time: two were sold on ebay, one of them was shared here on QZ by Marknow. The 3rd version was released by Digital Queen Archive. If people did not thank you it was maybe because they just bought Houston on ebay or from DQA - that does not mean they were sitting on it for ages.
I wish people would not not judge so much, all the fun is spoilt by this.
Of course there is no excuse for sending you hate mails for sharing.
I wish people would not not judge so much, all the fun is spoilt by this.
Of course there is no excuse for sending you hate mails for sharing.
Frank, a lot of people aren't saying "thanks" just because they don't say "thanks" to anyone, no matter who is uploader and what have been uploaded...
There was recently a thread by the_hero where he and me shared some non-rare (though not-so-easy-to-find-for-newbies on other hand), but frequently asked tracks and tracks by requests from Request forum; so according to my RapidShare premium account - those tracks (only mine) were downloaded for about 1700 times, but you could find about just 7-8 "thanks"... I don't care anymore if people thanks me, I used to such things, but it says a lot about modern times... I always wanted to make links inivisible for non-QZers and to show the list who have downloaded the file (as it's in the Hub)... I'm extremist, I know... :)
There was recently a thread by the_hero where he and me shared some non-rare (though not-so-easy-to-find-for-newbies on other hand), but frequently asked tracks and tracks by requests from Request forum; so according to my RapidShare premium account - those tracks (only mine) were downloaded for about 1700 times, but you could find about just 7-8 "thanks"... I don't care anymore if people thanks me, I used to such things, but it says a lot about modern times... I always wanted to make links inivisible for non-QZers and to show the list who have downloaded the file (as it's in the Hub)... I'm extremist, I know... :)
I am not fishing for compliments, it was only quite interesting for me to see, who did, and who did not. Thats all.
Thanks Serry, and Barbara:
I´d like to say here, that she is the only person here on QZ, who ever send me a Queen show, allthough I didn´t ask for it!
Maybe 5 years ago, I recieved Paris 79 from her,what a surprise, can you imagine my joy?
Hope, you don´t bother me for saying this here -:)
And now look at some of these selfish posts here, and much more on other threads? Can you imagine that from the KEY People (what a horrible word)?
All the joy is going down, the more I visit this forum.
Thanks Serry, and Barbara:
I´d like to say here, that she is the only person here on QZ, who ever send me a Queen show, allthough I didn´t ask for it!
Maybe 5 years ago, I recieved Paris 79 from her,what a surprise, can you imagine my joy?
Hope, you don´t bother me for saying this here -:)
And now look at some of these selfish posts here, and much more on other threads? Can you imagine that from the KEY People (what a horrible word)?
All the joy is going down, the more I visit this forum.
And Marknow,
you can´t imagine, how happy I was, when I first saw your announe of Houston. Actually it was you, who first came up with this "long time hidden" Queen show. I was searching since years.
Later I found it on Ebay.
Only the 3 songs, cut out, that was somehow senseless, the 3 tracks were in the hub, just some days after the first announce, so why not offer the complete show directly?
official or not, look at Ebay and Trancer, nobody cares.
you can´t imagine, how happy I was, when I first saw your announe of Houston. Actually it was you, who first came up with this "long time hidden" Queen show. I was searching since years.
Later I found it on Ebay.
Only the 3 songs, cut out, that was somehow senseless, the 3 tracks were in the hub, just some days after the first announce, so why not offer the complete show directly?
official or not, look at Ebay and Trancer, nobody cares.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bobby_brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME]So, are you trying to say to me that every good collector already have the DVD Frank39 shared here for free with that quality?- I doubt it.
And about Silver Salmon or Polar Bear?[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. These songs were floating around for years before they were shared here, or in the hub, or wherever. I had them four or five years ago. Houston was an exception. Because it got in the wrong hands, it was circulating amongst collectors only for about 6 months until some not-so-collectors got it and then finally shared it. Frank wasn't the first person to spread it to the public.
[QUOTE]They didn´t got that from colleting circles. Even big collectors don´t have everything you know?
But what i see, is John S Stuart looking for "Face it alone" and other demos and he doesdn´t have many things left for a good trade.[/QUOTE]
I never said John or anyone had everything. But be sure that collectors have anything before it's shared here, 99 times out of 100. The only exceptions I can think of are when the collectors aren't aware of something's existence, like the recently emerged new sources of London 9-7-84 and 9-8-84, and the complete Dallas 78 coming out last year.
[QUOTE]How about the very high quality standards of traders as you call it?- John is ofering the lossless in return of the mp3 demos (assuming the lossless is in the hands of QueenProductions), and still no one accepted his offer. They don´t mind having the mp3 version like the rest of us.
So much for the standards!!![/QUOTE]
No, that's not the reason. Nobody wants to share what they have, because it's still good trading material. The BBC sessions already exist in some format, so why would a trader give up a *new* song just to receive a slight upgrade of something they already have?
[QUOTE]And by the way, when you say that you are a trader, making looking very important, let me just say that i don´t guive any importance at all to that title![/QUOTE]
With this attitude, you aren't going to get anywhere. Don't you understand? When things get shared here, they're bottom of the barrel. They have no more collectible value!
Ðon Gerolamo knows what he's talking about. He's 100% correct. I have many things I'd like to share, but I won't share them here, because they'll be converted to mp3 almost immediately by someone who just don't understand the difference between lossy and lossless. Queenzone's lack of quality standards have given Queen collectors a HORRIBLE reputation in the wider Queen world. Whenever I share anything, I'll do it at The Trader's Den, Dimeadozen, or something like that. Slowly, as more decent Queen recordings emerge there, hopefully people will begin to take Queen collectors seriously again, and maybe we'll see some more new recordings. But at the moment, there are so many recordings being hoarded for this reason.
And about Silver Salmon or Polar Bear?[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. These songs were floating around for years before they were shared here, or in the hub, or wherever. I had them four or five years ago. Houston was an exception. Because it got in the wrong hands, it was circulating amongst collectors only for about 6 months until some not-so-collectors got it and then finally shared it. Frank wasn't the first person to spread it to the public.
[QUOTE]They didn´t got that from colleting circles. Even big collectors don´t have everything you know?
But what i see, is John S Stuart looking for "Face it alone" and other demos and he doesdn´t have many things left for a good trade.[/QUOTE]
I never said John or anyone had everything. But be sure that collectors have anything before it's shared here, 99 times out of 100. The only exceptions I can think of are when the collectors aren't aware of something's existence, like the recently emerged new sources of London 9-7-84 and 9-8-84, and the complete Dallas 78 coming out last year.
[QUOTE]How about the very high quality standards of traders as you call it?- John is ofering the lossless in return of the mp3 demos (assuming the lossless is in the hands of QueenProductions), and still no one accepted his offer. They don´t mind having the mp3 version like the rest of us.
So much for the standards!!![/QUOTE]
No, that's not the reason. Nobody wants to share what they have, because it's still good trading material. The BBC sessions already exist in some format, so why would a trader give up a *new* song just to receive a slight upgrade of something they already have?
[QUOTE]And by the way, when you say that you are a trader, making looking very important, let me just say that i don´t guive any importance at all to that title![/QUOTE]
With this attitude, you aren't going to get anywhere. Don't you understand? When things get shared here, they're bottom of the barrel. They have no more collectible value!
Ðon Gerolamo knows what he's talking about. He's 100% correct. I have many things I'd like to share, but I won't share them here, because they'll be converted to mp3 almost immediately by someone who just don't understand the difference between lossy and lossless. Queenzone's lack of quality standards have given Queen collectors a HORRIBLE reputation in the wider Queen world. Whenever I share anything, I'll do it at The Trader's Den, Dimeadozen, or something like that. Slowly, as more decent Queen recordings emerge there, hopefully people will begin to take Queen collectors seriously again, and maybe we'll see some more new recordings. But at the moment, there are so many recordings being hoarded for this reason.