Something from me too...
I do have quite a few recordings (concerts, demos) that 99% people on QueenZone do not have.
In most cases I'm not allowed to trade/share them and I have to respect that.
There are a few recordings that I *could* share/trade (the newly surfaced Barcelona 1979 for example) but I won't do that simply because I have zero free time. I don't even have time for trades that ARE interesting for me - how can you blame me that I won't share for free for all the leechers here?
I'm not in the hub, I don't download from rapidshare, the only torrents I ever downloaded from QZ were from the Q+PR tour (and I "paid" for those torrents by recording quite a lot of Q+PR gigs, some of my recordings later appeared on QueenZone). Also my data transfer is limited to 2 GB / month which speaks for itself :-)
So you can think whatever you want about my attitude - but it's MY life and nobody else's business. I don't share - but I don't take either. I live my own life and I have about enough time for my family, job and Queen websites.
But what looks strange to me is the approach of some collectors. The long-time collectors have NEVER shared anything really rare. NEVER. NOBODY. (Me included). I can admit that. But some collectors here are big hypocrites. They always complain about how "others should share" because they want to look like good collectors who wouldn't hesitate to share all of their rarities. The truth is the opposite. Collectors trade, they don't share. If they share (very very scarcely), it's 0.01% of their collection and it's only because it leaked already. I have never seen a single *rarity* on QueenZone. Think about it.
Btw. I admire people like frank39 who invest their money and then share. QueenZone needs more members like that.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]frank39 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And Marknow,
you can´t imagine, how happy I was, when I first saw your announe of Houston. Actually it was you, who first came up with this "long time hidden" Queen show. I was searching since years.
Later I found it on Ebay.
Only the 3 songs, cut out, that was somehow senseless, the 3 tracks were in the hub, just some days after the first announce, so why not offer the complete show directly?
official or not, look at Ebay and Trancer, nobody cares.
[/QUOTE]
Hi Frank.
Belive me buddy i did want to post the uncut version of Houston here, but i could not do so with a clear conscience. The rules on official material are clear and should be respected.
The hub however does have slightly different rules
so the edits could be shared there no prob.
Mark.
you can´t imagine, how happy I was, when I first saw your announe of Houston. Actually it was you, who first came up with this "long time hidden" Queen show. I was searching since years.
Later I found it on Ebay.
Only the 3 songs, cut out, that was somehow senseless, the 3 tracks were in the hub, just some days after the first announce, so why not offer the complete show directly?
official or not, look at Ebay and Trancer, nobody cares.
[/QUOTE]
Hi Frank.
Belive me buddy i did want to post the uncut version of Houston here, but i could not do so with a clear conscience. The rules on official material are clear and should be respected.
The hub however does have slightly different rules
so the edits could be shared there no prob.
Mark.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bobby_brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME]So, are you trying to say to me that every good collector already have the DVD Frank39 shared here for free with that quality?- I doubt it.
And about Silver Salmon or Polar Bear?[/QUOTE]
I had them four or five years ago. Houston was an exception. Because it got in the wrong hands, it was circulating amongst collectors only for about 6 months until some not-so-collectors got it and then finally shared it. Frank wasn't the first person to spread it to the public.
[QUOTE]And by the way, when you say that you are a trader, making looking very important, let me just say that i don´t guive any importance at all to that title![/QUOTE]
With this attitude, you aren't going to get anywhere. Don't you understand? When things get shared here, they're bottom of the barrel. They have no more collectible value!
Ðon Gerolamo knows what he's talking about. He's 100% correct. I have many things I'd like to share, but I won't share them here, because they'll be converted to mp3 almost immediately by someone who just don't understand the difference between lossy and lossless. Queenzone's lack of quality standards have given Queen collectors a HORRIBLE reputation in the wider Queen world. [/QUOTE]
Let me just say that Houston 77 is in good hands now!!
You have talked about my attitude. what attitude??
Did i said something wrong, or was i desrespectfull?
I was answering to don Geralmo and your reply just suported what i said before.
You said that with my attitude i wasn´t going to get anywhere?- Where do you think i whant to go?
I´m not here to make pen frinds or to make friends among traders! I can speack freely what i think, without being desrespectull.
I´m shocked about how Horrible the Queen collectors reputation is among the wider Queen world. And all because of Queenzone!!! Get real, there are more important things to worry about!
You say that you don´t share some concerts because they would be transfered to mp3. So, what your problem? And what´s the other traders problems? They don´t come here to leech, they only trade, isn´t that right? NO, IT ISN`T, and that´s the big problem among traders.
After that you simply can´t tell if it was traded or downloaded, and then you´ve got to ask if this person is a reliable trader or not. Do i buy it or not?- you think to yourself.
And then there is only one way to erase the bad quality tapes from the market. You have to share the best version avaiable to stop the spread of the bad version. This way you won´t get fooled again!
You´ve said that 99.9% of things shared here are already among traders. Wrong!- how about the new Queen+Paul Rodgers tour, that was shared (some videos and audios) here from fans to the fans, simply because they wanted everybody to share that experience?
Let me just say this again:
I´ve nothing at all against traders, i just want to point out some bad atitudes that i´ve witnessed here among the years.
If you don´t want to share, or can´t share, you don´t have to! It´s your choise, and i understand.
But sometimes when someone asks for something at the request forum (and persons who shared freely everything), the only reply´s they get is something like "i have this but i only trade, drop me a mail...", but of course if you ask them, they never come to Queenzone for downloads.
This attitude is the one you should condemn, not mine! I´m just writing what i see, of course there are always exceptions, and you shouldn´t take my words so personally, because they weren´t directed to anyone in particular. Just trying to change some mentalities here, but if you think wisely, you´ll see that i´m not completely wrong.
Take care
And about Silver Salmon or Polar Bear?[/QUOTE]
I had them four or five years ago. Houston was an exception. Because it got in the wrong hands, it was circulating amongst collectors only for about 6 months until some not-so-collectors got it and then finally shared it. Frank wasn't the first person to spread it to the public.
[QUOTE]And by the way, when you say that you are a trader, making looking very important, let me just say that i don´t guive any importance at all to that title![/QUOTE]
With this attitude, you aren't going to get anywhere. Don't you understand? When things get shared here, they're bottom of the barrel. They have no more collectible value!
Ðon Gerolamo knows what he's talking about. He's 100% correct. I have many things I'd like to share, but I won't share them here, because they'll be converted to mp3 almost immediately by someone who just don't understand the difference between lossy and lossless. Queenzone's lack of quality standards have given Queen collectors a HORRIBLE reputation in the wider Queen world. [/QUOTE]
Let me just say that Houston 77 is in good hands now!!
You have talked about my attitude. what attitude??
Did i said something wrong, or was i desrespectfull?
I was answering to don Geralmo and your reply just suported what i said before.
You said that with my attitude i wasn´t going to get anywhere?- Where do you think i whant to go?
I´m not here to make pen frinds or to make friends among traders! I can speack freely what i think, without being desrespectull.
I´m shocked about how Horrible the Queen collectors reputation is among the wider Queen world. And all because of Queenzone!!! Get real, there are more important things to worry about!
You say that you don´t share some concerts because they would be transfered to mp3. So, what your problem? And what´s the other traders problems? They don´t come here to leech, they only trade, isn´t that right? NO, IT ISN`T, and that´s the big problem among traders.
After that you simply can´t tell if it was traded or downloaded, and then you´ve got to ask if this person is a reliable trader or not. Do i buy it or not?- you think to yourself.
And then there is only one way to erase the bad quality tapes from the market. You have to share the best version avaiable to stop the spread of the bad version. This way you won´t get fooled again!
You´ve said that 99.9% of things shared here are already among traders. Wrong!- how about the new Queen+Paul Rodgers tour, that was shared (some videos and audios) here from fans to the fans, simply because they wanted everybody to share that experience?
Let me just say this again:
I´ve nothing at all against traders, i just want to point out some bad atitudes that i´ve witnessed here among the years.
If you don´t want to share, or can´t share, you don´t have to! It´s your choise, and i understand.
But sometimes when someone asks for something at the request forum (and persons who shared freely everything), the only reply´s they get is something like "i have this but i only trade, drop me a mail...", but of course if you ask them, they never come to Queenzone for downloads.
This attitude is the one you should condemn, not mine! I´m just writing what i see, of course there are always exceptions, and you shouldn´t take my words so personally, because they weren´t directed to anyone in particular. Just trying to change some mentalities here, but if you think wisely, you´ll see that i´m not completely wrong.
Take care
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bobby_brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bobby_brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME]So, are you trying to say to me that every good collector already have the DVD Frank39 shared here for free with that quality?- I doubt it.
And about Silver Salmon or Polar Bear?[/QUOTE]
I had them four or five years ago. Houston was an exception. Because it got in the wrong hands, it was circulating amongst collectors only for about 6 months until some not-so-collectors got it and then finally shared it. Frank wasn't the first person to spread it to the public.
[QUOTE]And by the way, when you say that you are a trader, making looking very important, let me just say that i don´t guive any importance at all to that title![/QUOTE]
With this attitude, you aren't going to get anywhere. Don't you understand? When things get shared here, they're bottom of the barrel. They have no more collectible value!
Ðon Gerolamo knows what he's talking about. He's 100% correct. I have many things I'd like to share, but I won't share them here, because they'll be converted to mp3 almost immediately by someone who just don't understand the difference between lossy and lossless. Queenzone's lack of quality standards have given Queen collectors a HORRIBLE reputation in the wider Queen world. [/QUOTE]
Let me just say that Houston 77 is in good hands now!!
You have talked about my attitude. what attitude??
Did i said something wrong, or was i desrespectfull?
I was answering to don Geralmo and your reply just suported what i said before.
You said that with my attitude i wasn´t going to get anywhere?- Where do you think i whant to go?
I´m not here to make pen frinds or to make friends among traders! I can speack freely what i think, without being desrespectull.
I´m shocked about how Horrible the Queen collectors reputation is among the wider Queen world. And all because of Queenzone!!! Get real, there are more important things to worry about!
You say that you don´t share some concerts because they would be transfered to mp3. So, what your problem? And what´s the other traders problems? They don´t come here to leech, they only trade, isn´t that right? NO, IT ISN`T, and that´s the big problem among traders.
After that you simply can´t tell if it was traded or downloaded, and then you´ve got to ask if this person is a reliable trader or not. Do i buy it or not?- you think to yourself.
And then there is only one way to erase the bad quality tapes from the market. You have to share the best version avaiable to stop the spread of the bad version. This way you won´t get fooled again!
You´ve said that 99.9% of things shared here are already among traders. Wrong!- how about the new Queen+Paul Rodgers tour, that was shared (some videos and audios) here from fans to the fans, simply because they wanted everybody to share that experience?
Let me just say this again:
I´ve nothing at all against traders, i just want to point out some bad atitudes that i´ve witnessed here among the years.
If you don´t want to share, or can´t share, you don´t have to! It´s your choise, and i understand.
But sometimes when someone asks for something at the request forum (and persons who shared freely everything), the only reply´s they get is something like "i have this but i only trade, drop me a mail...", but of course if you ask them, they never come to Queenzone for downloads.
This attitude is the one you should condemn, not mine! I´m just writing what i see, of course there are always exceptions, and you shouldn´t take my words so personally, because they weren´t directed to anyone in particular. Just trying to change some mentalities here, but if you think wisely, you´ll see that i´m not completely wr
And about Silver Salmon or Polar Bear?[/QUOTE]
I had them four or five years ago. Houston was an exception. Because it got in the wrong hands, it was circulating amongst collectors only for about 6 months until some not-so-collectors got it and then finally shared it. Frank wasn't the first person to spread it to the public.
[QUOTE]And by the way, when you say that you are a trader, making looking very important, let me just say that i don´t guive any importance at all to that title![/QUOTE]
With this attitude, you aren't going to get anywhere. Don't you understand? When things get shared here, they're bottom of the barrel. They have no more collectible value!
Ðon Gerolamo knows what he's talking about. He's 100% correct. I have many things I'd like to share, but I won't share them here, because they'll be converted to mp3 almost immediately by someone who just don't understand the difference between lossy and lossless. Queenzone's lack of quality standards have given Queen collectors a HORRIBLE reputation in the wider Queen world. [/QUOTE]
Let me just say that Houston 77 is in good hands now!!
You have talked about my attitude. what attitude??
Did i said something wrong, or was i desrespectfull?
I was answering to don Geralmo and your reply just suported what i said before.
You said that with my attitude i wasn´t going to get anywhere?- Where do you think i whant to go?
I´m not here to make pen frinds or to make friends among traders! I can speack freely what i think, without being desrespectull.
I´m shocked about how Horrible the Queen collectors reputation is among the wider Queen world. And all because of Queenzone!!! Get real, there are more important things to worry about!
You say that you don´t share some concerts because they would be transfered to mp3. So, what your problem? And what´s the other traders problems? They don´t come here to leech, they only trade, isn´t that right? NO, IT ISN`T, and that´s the big problem among traders.
After that you simply can´t tell if it was traded or downloaded, and then you´ve got to ask if this person is a reliable trader or not. Do i buy it or not?- you think to yourself.
And then there is only one way to erase the bad quality tapes from the market. You have to share the best version avaiable to stop the spread of the bad version. This way you won´t get fooled again!
You´ve said that 99.9% of things shared here are already among traders. Wrong!- how about the new Queen+Paul Rodgers tour, that was shared (some videos and audios) here from fans to the fans, simply because they wanted everybody to share that experience?
Let me just say this again:
I´ve nothing at all against traders, i just want to point out some bad atitudes that i´ve witnessed here among the years.
If you don´t want to share, or can´t share, you don´t have to! It´s your choise, and i understand.
But sometimes when someone asks for something at the request forum (and persons who shared freely everything), the only reply´s they get is something like "i have this but i only trade, drop me a mail...", but of course if you ask them, they never come to Queenzone for downloads.
This attitude is the one you should condemn, not mine! I´m just writing what i see, of course there are always exceptions, and you shouldn´t take my words so personally, because they weren´t directed to anyone in particular. Just trying to change some mentalities here, but if you think wisely, you´ll see that i´m not completely wr
[QUOTE]You have talked about my attitude. what attitude?? Did i said something wrong, or was i desrespectfull?[/QUOTE]
By "attitude" I meant your personal position on the matter, not your interpersonal skills, which are just fine. Sorry for the confusion.
[QUOTE]I´m shocked about how Horrible the Queen collectors reputation is among the wider Queen world. And all because of Queenzone!!! Get real, there are more important things to worry about![/QUOTE]
You obviously don't take this seriously, which of course is okay, as it's not one of life's requirements. But you should know, this is the reason why few new recordings emerge. If this place wouldn't have so many crappy mp3s and mpeg videos, people would share their rare recordings more often, because they would be in "good hands". Good hands don't convert something to mp3 because the file is smaller. Who in their right mind wants to share a gem, only to have it converted to mp3 and on rapidshare the next day? This is the reputation the Queen community has gained, and consequently everyone suffers in the end. The collectors are left frustrated, and the downloaders have nothing new to download if they've downloaded everything available to them.
[QUOTE]And what´s the other traders problems? They don´t come here to leech, they only trade, isn´t that right? NO, IT ISN`T, and that´s the big problem among traders.[/QUOTE]
If it wasn't for the traders, nearly everything that has been shared here wouldn't have been shared in the first place. Queenzone is the end of the line. A dvd, cd, or song has been making the rounds for months or even years before it's made available here for anyone to download. Honestly, do you think someone just found the Houston 77 DVD in a bargain bin at their local record store, or do you think it went through some kind of process before it got here? Or did Silver Salmon come as a bonus track on a store-bought cd that only one person was able to find? Think logically, please.
[QUOTE]After that you simply can´t tell if it was traded or downloaded, and then you´ve got to ask if this person is a reliable trader or not. Do i buy it or not?- you think to yourself.[/QUOTE]
When a collector trades a show, they send a sample in flac or wave format, and then a frequency analysis is done to be sure that the file is lossless. Here, however, the majority of concerts shared are mp3. Many flac concerts here are converted from mp3, as a means of disguise, and are thus not true flac.
[QUOTE]And then there is only one way to erase the bad quality tapes from the market. You have to share the best version avaiable to stop the spread of the bad version. This way you won´t get fooled again![/QUOTE]
Finally, you make some sense. But this is some kind of utopia you're talking about. At the moment, not everyone cares about lossy vs lossless, so the mp3 versions will continue to circulate.
[QUOTE]You´ve said that 99.9% of things shared here are already among traders. Wrong!- how about the new Queen+Paul Rodgers tour, that was shared (some videos and audios) here from fans to the fans, simply because they wanted everybody to share that experience?[/QUOTE]
I'm generally referring to older material. Naturally, one can't stop an over-excited fan from sharing their cell phone videos of recent shows, of which there are thousands. There isn't a huge demand for 05-06 stuff the way there is demand for 70s stuff. But trust me, those who want the unusual 05-06 stuff will find a way to get it, because it's usually much easier to get than an uncirculated video from 1977. And even when that 1977 video is found, chances are it will be a 10th generation copy, as the video is 30 years old. A video filmed last year has not been VHS copied ten times over.
[QUOTE]But sometimes when someone asks for something at the request forum (and persons who shared freely everything), the only reply
By "attitude" I meant your personal position on the matter, not your interpersonal skills, which are just fine. Sorry for the confusion.
[QUOTE]I´m shocked about how Horrible the Queen collectors reputation is among the wider Queen world. And all because of Queenzone!!! Get real, there are more important things to worry about![/QUOTE]
You obviously don't take this seriously, which of course is okay, as it's not one of life's requirements. But you should know, this is the reason why few new recordings emerge. If this place wouldn't have so many crappy mp3s and mpeg videos, people would share their rare recordings more often, because they would be in "good hands". Good hands don't convert something to mp3 because the file is smaller. Who in their right mind wants to share a gem, only to have it converted to mp3 and on rapidshare the next day? This is the reputation the Queen community has gained, and consequently everyone suffers in the end. The collectors are left frustrated, and the downloaders have nothing new to download if they've downloaded everything available to them.
[QUOTE]And what´s the other traders problems? They don´t come here to leech, they only trade, isn´t that right? NO, IT ISN`T, and that´s the big problem among traders.[/QUOTE]
If it wasn't for the traders, nearly everything that has been shared here wouldn't have been shared in the first place. Queenzone is the end of the line. A dvd, cd, or song has been making the rounds for months or even years before it's made available here for anyone to download. Honestly, do you think someone just found the Houston 77 DVD in a bargain bin at their local record store, or do you think it went through some kind of process before it got here? Or did Silver Salmon come as a bonus track on a store-bought cd that only one person was able to find? Think logically, please.
[QUOTE]After that you simply can´t tell if it was traded or downloaded, and then you´ve got to ask if this person is a reliable trader or not. Do i buy it or not?- you think to yourself.[/QUOTE]
When a collector trades a show, they send a sample in flac or wave format, and then a frequency analysis is done to be sure that the file is lossless. Here, however, the majority of concerts shared are mp3. Many flac concerts here are converted from mp3, as a means of disguise, and are thus not true flac.
[QUOTE]And then there is only one way to erase the bad quality tapes from the market. You have to share the best version avaiable to stop the spread of the bad version. This way you won´t get fooled again![/QUOTE]
Finally, you make some sense. But this is some kind of utopia you're talking about. At the moment, not everyone cares about lossy vs lossless, so the mp3 versions will continue to circulate.
[QUOTE]You´ve said that 99.9% of things shared here are already among traders. Wrong!- how about the new Queen+Paul Rodgers tour, that was shared (some videos and audios) here from fans to the fans, simply because they wanted everybody to share that experience?[/QUOTE]
I'm generally referring to older material. Naturally, one can't stop an over-excited fan from sharing their cell phone videos of recent shows, of which there are thousands. There isn't a huge demand for 05-06 stuff the way there is demand for 70s stuff. But trust me, those who want the unusual 05-06 stuff will find a way to get it, because it's usually much easier to get than an uncirculated video from 1977. And even when that 1977 video is found, chances are it will be a 10th generation copy, as the video is 30 years old. A video filmed last year has not been VHS copied ten times over.
[QUOTE]But sometimes when someone asks for something at the request forum (and persons who shared freely everything), the only reply
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font size="1">Ðon Gerolamo</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE
Yes, you were disrespectful, though I don't need respect from an ignorant person like you..[/QUOTE]
You need someone to teach you good maners! 18 years old? Is this the best you can do?
People see bad things where they wan´t to see bad things! To make yourself be understood you don´t need to talk like that. You replied to my post feeling very offended, and tried to put yourself among the traders community to do so.
People often speak in general, but you choosed to be offended.
When you said with all authority that you are a trader, you tried to get in a position of importance, wich i simply don´t guive any, and said so. If you want to be ofended, i really don´t care. You are as much important to the Queen community as i am or any fan is!
DON GERALDO WROTE:
No, you didn't just answer. You tried to make a fool out of me. By saying "I don't give any importance to that title". It's not a title, it's a way of showing how deeply some people care about the importance of preserving the many great recordings there are of the best band we all love on this forum; Queen..[/QUOTE]
mY REPLY:
I never tried to make a fool out of you. On the contrary, you took all the earlier replys on yourself and tried to make a fool out of everybody else, by trying to justify some atitudes! I already said that i talk in general, you don´t need to be ofended, but please keep those excuses for yourself, ok?
We are talking about some stuff that shouldn´t be outside QueenProductions in the first place, oK?- So please, don´t come here with that angel atitude of traders, because we both know how some things get out of the archives! Let´s not be naive, because i´m not. And yes, i too listen to those demos. Guilty!!
I´m not a saint and neither are you.
DON GERALDO WROTE:
Yes, you can speak freely about what you think. I did that too. But don't think it will always go unpunished. There are many people who agree with me. There might be more leeches on this forum who don't agree but that doesn't matter because that is the key issue on this forum and that's why (as I said in my original post) there are no good things shared here at this time..[/QUOTE]
MY REPLY
Wrong! Leeches on this forum agree with you, you can be shure about that!
DON GERALDO WROTE:
Trading doesn't depend on whether a person downloaded a recording or not, I (and certainly some others) won't understand what you're trying to say there. It just doesn't make sense.
You're right about how we can get rid of a part of the 'dirty' tapes. By sharing everything here. Just like I said, seems you actually have learned something today. But why doesn't that happen? Ask yourself you seem to know best..[/QUOTE]
MY REPLY:
Wrong again! Trading depends on that and you know it. That´s why you have a black list for bad traders.
Yes, i´ve learn something, and since you don´t know i´ll share it with you:
That doesn´t happend because the person (trader) who knows he has the best generation tape (let´s call it this way), don´t need to share it! He will only trade it and don´t guive a f**K if the less quality one are being spreaded or not! He won´t be fooled with it. But the funny thing is, traders fool other traders! You think about it.
DON GERALDO WROTE:
You say you have something against some traders. It seems to me that you have something against me... What have I done to piss you off? No bullshit just tell me. If you proof to me that I've insulted, threatened or mistreated YOU in ANY way before this post I promise to share atleast 10 recordings not shared on this forum before..[/QUOTE]
MY REPLY:
Well, i make you the same question!
I´m very good with psychics! It´s a gift i have.
You try to analise your last sentence and you tell me that
Yes, you were disrespectful, though I don't need respect from an ignorant person like you..[/QUOTE]
You need someone to teach you good maners! 18 years old? Is this the best you can do?
People see bad things where they wan´t to see bad things! To make yourself be understood you don´t need to talk like that. You replied to my post feeling very offended, and tried to put yourself among the traders community to do so.
People often speak in general, but you choosed to be offended.
When you said with all authority that you are a trader, you tried to get in a position of importance, wich i simply don´t guive any, and said so. If you want to be ofended, i really don´t care. You are as much important to the Queen community as i am or any fan is!
DON GERALDO WROTE:
No, you didn't just answer. You tried to make a fool out of me. By saying "I don't give any importance to that title". It's not a title, it's a way of showing how deeply some people care about the importance of preserving the many great recordings there are of the best band we all love on this forum; Queen..[/QUOTE]
mY REPLY:
I never tried to make a fool out of you. On the contrary, you took all the earlier replys on yourself and tried to make a fool out of everybody else, by trying to justify some atitudes! I already said that i talk in general, you don´t need to be ofended, but please keep those excuses for yourself, ok?
We are talking about some stuff that shouldn´t be outside QueenProductions in the first place, oK?- So please, don´t come here with that angel atitude of traders, because we both know how some things get out of the archives! Let´s not be naive, because i´m not. And yes, i too listen to those demos. Guilty!!
I´m not a saint and neither are you.
DON GERALDO WROTE:
Yes, you can speak freely about what you think. I did that too. But don't think it will always go unpunished. There are many people who agree with me. There might be more leeches on this forum who don't agree but that doesn't matter because that is the key issue on this forum and that's why (as I said in my original post) there are no good things shared here at this time..[/QUOTE]
MY REPLY
Wrong! Leeches on this forum agree with you, you can be shure about that!
DON GERALDO WROTE:
Trading doesn't depend on whether a person downloaded a recording or not, I (and certainly some others) won't understand what you're trying to say there. It just doesn't make sense.
You're right about how we can get rid of a part of the 'dirty' tapes. By sharing everything here. Just like I said, seems you actually have learned something today. But why doesn't that happen? Ask yourself you seem to know best..[/QUOTE]
MY REPLY:
Wrong again! Trading depends on that and you know it. That´s why you have a black list for bad traders.
Yes, i´ve learn something, and since you don´t know i´ll share it with you:
That doesn´t happend because the person (trader) who knows he has the best generation tape (let´s call it this way), don´t need to share it! He will only trade it and don´t guive a f**K if the less quality one are being spreaded or not! He won´t be fooled with it. But the funny thing is, traders fool other traders! You think about it.
DON GERALDO WROTE:
You say you have something against some traders. It seems to me that you have something against me... What have I done to piss you off? No bullshit just tell me. If you proof to me that I've insulted, threatened or mistreated YOU in ANY way before this post I promise to share atleast 10 recordings not shared on this forum before..[/QUOTE]
MY REPLY:
Well, i make you the same question!
I´m very good with psychics! It´s a gift i have.
You try to analise your last sentence and you tell me that
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE]You have talked about my attitude. what attitude?? Did i said something wrong, or was i desrespectfull?[/QUOTE]
By "attitude" I meant your personal position on the matter, not your interpersonal skills, which are just fine. Sorry for the confusion.
I wasn´t offended, but thanks for clarify!
SIR GH WROTE:
You obviously don't take this seriously, which of course is okay, as it's not one of life's requirements.
While I understand your frustration, complaining won't change a thing. For example, I just recently got a Munich 79 DVD in what is most likely the best audio/video quality we'll ever see for this show. This may have collectible value. So, I could share it here - OR - I could try trading, obtain one or two nice things in exchange, and then share the Munich DVD. And then in the future, I trade those two new things, and after they're done being traded, they can be shared here as well... and the cycle continues. If I originally shared the Munich DVD, then I wouldn't be able to accumulate the extra material, since nobody would trade a rarity for a "common" Munich 79 DVD, even though it's fantastic quality. If it's here, then it's common, and it has no collectible value.
This is how it works. It's the way collecting has been working for decades. The only difference now is that we can contact people by email and not through a magazine like Record Collector, and we have a better sense of what is rare and not rare because collectors' lists can easily circulate over the Internet. It's up to you if you want to accept reality or not. If you want rare things to get here faster, then contribute to the trading community (and in the end, the larger downloading community) by getting into collecting circles, contacting people, and finally accumulating some material. You won't get anywhere by sitting on your ass, waiting for everything to be handed to you on a silver platter.
MY REPLY:
Ok, ´since you took the time to reply, i´m gonna reply the best way i can to clarify things too:
First of all, i´m a collector, and by this i mean i spend my money on rare "oficial" stuff, simply because it´s time consuming and there´s no money for everything.
I really don´t feel the need to have every Queen concert taped from the audience, because i simply don´t listen to them. I like to have them but only for historical reasons. I made a decision some time ago, to never buy another bootleg again.
On the other way, i like to buy rare vinyl and other stufff, because that will increase the value of my collection. And it really has more value to me.
Having say this, you´ve already noticed that i´m not the one who´s making the requests i´ve talked about and received the mail adress for a trade.
I really don´t care if a new concert is shared or not! If it is, then fine i will download it, if it´s not, that´s fine too!
But really, sometimes people don´t ask for much, and the least they could expext from the thousands of people who downloaded is to have something in return, just an apreciation act! I know i sound naíve but that´s the way it is.
I totaly understand that you will try to trade the Munich 79 first, and i´ve never said you shoul do otherwise. I know there are rules, and if i was a trader i would do the same, believe me!
But i can´t write all the possible cases, and i´m from Portugal, so i´m trying to express the best i can for a foreigner language.
Let me guive you an example, so you can understand:
Imagine that i´m a trader, and for many years i would come here to Queenzone for downloads. Of course, being such a good trader i wouldn´t find many things of interest to me. But, two or three times, i´ve found an old Queen interview in Finland or Spain in go
By "attitude" I meant your personal position on the matter, not your interpersonal skills, which are just fine. Sorry for the confusion.
I wasn´t offended, but thanks for clarify!
SIR GH WROTE:
You obviously don't take this seriously, which of course is okay, as it's not one of life's requirements.
While I understand your frustration, complaining won't change a thing. For example, I just recently got a Munich 79 DVD in what is most likely the best audio/video quality we'll ever see for this show. This may have collectible value. So, I could share it here - OR - I could try trading, obtain one or two nice things in exchange, and then share the Munich DVD. And then in the future, I trade those two new things, and after they're done being traded, they can be shared here as well... and the cycle continues. If I originally shared the Munich DVD, then I wouldn't be able to accumulate the extra material, since nobody would trade a rarity for a "common" Munich 79 DVD, even though it's fantastic quality. If it's here, then it's common, and it has no collectible value.
This is how it works. It's the way collecting has been working for decades. The only difference now is that we can contact people by email and not through a magazine like Record Collector, and we have a better sense of what is rare and not rare because collectors' lists can easily circulate over the Internet. It's up to you if you want to accept reality or not. If you want rare things to get here faster, then contribute to the trading community (and in the end, the larger downloading community) by getting into collecting circles, contacting people, and finally accumulating some material. You won't get anywhere by sitting on your ass, waiting for everything to be handed to you on a silver platter.
MY REPLY:
Ok, ´since you took the time to reply, i´m gonna reply the best way i can to clarify things too:
First of all, i´m a collector, and by this i mean i spend my money on rare "oficial" stuff, simply because it´s time consuming and there´s no money for everything.
I really don´t feel the need to have every Queen concert taped from the audience, because i simply don´t listen to them. I like to have them but only for historical reasons. I made a decision some time ago, to never buy another bootleg again.
On the other way, i like to buy rare vinyl and other stufff, because that will increase the value of my collection. And it really has more value to me.
Having say this, you´ve already noticed that i´m not the one who´s making the requests i´ve talked about and received the mail adress for a trade.
I really don´t care if a new concert is shared or not! If it is, then fine i will download it, if it´s not, that´s fine too!
But really, sometimes people don´t ask for much, and the least they could expext from the thousands of people who downloaded is to have something in return, just an apreciation act! I know i sound naíve but that´s the way it is.
I totaly understand that you will try to trade the Munich 79 first, and i´ve never said you shoul do otherwise. I know there are rules, and if i was a trader i would do the same, believe me!
But i can´t write all the possible cases, and i´m from Portugal, so i´m trying to express the best i can for a foreigner language.
Let me guive you an example, so you can understand:
Imagine that i´m a trader, and for many years i would come here to Queenzone for downloads. Of course, being such a good trader i wouldn´t find many things of interest to me. But, two or three times, i´ve found an old Queen interview in Finland or Spain in go
Thanks for the reply.
But you still seem to think that trading is limited to requesting and downloading things publically. It goes much, much deeper than that.
But you still seem to think that trading is limited to requesting and downloading things publically. It goes much, much deeper than that.
Martin, I'll make an offer you cannot deny :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]frank39 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I am not fishing for compliments, it was only quite interesting for me to see, who did, and who did not. Thats all.
Thanks Serry, and Barbara:
I´d like to say here, that she is the only person here on QZ, who ever send me a Queen show, allthough I didn´t ask for it!
Maybe 5 years ago, I recieved Paris 79 from her,what a surprise, can you imagine my joy?
Hope, you don´t bother me for saying this here -:)
And now look at some of these selfish posts here, and much more on other threads? Can you imagine that from the KEY People (what a horrible word)?
All the joy is going down, the more I visit this forum.
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Barbara also sent me a copy of Japan 1982 to which I am still grateful for!! The difference being I did ask for it all those years ago. Thanks Barb!
As for recieving thanks for posting files through Rapidshare, I too dont bother about whether I get any thanks for uploading anything and posting the links here. And the reason why? Not all the leechers are from QZ. Most of the time you find that someone has copied the link from here and posted it on some other forum or site as if it was their own. And so the original uploader hardly ever gets a "thank you".
Finally, and this is just a suggestion, why doesnt QZ have a trial run of banning MP3 and possibly poor quality video just to see how things go if that is what traders have a bug bear with here? Its just possible then that John might get his original request done in the manner he spoke of.
Thanks Serry, and Barbara:
I´d like to say here, that she is the only person here on QZ, who ever send me a Queen show, allthough I didn´t ask for it!
Maybe 5 years ago, I recieved Paris 79 from her,what a surprise, can you imagine my joy?
Hope, you don´t bother me for saying this here -:)
And now look at some of these selfish posts here, and much more on other threads? Can you imagine that from the KEY People (what a horrible word)?
All the joy is going down, the more I visit this forum.
[/QUOTE]
Barbara also sent me a copy of Japan 1982 to which I am still grateful for!! The difference being I did ask for it all those years ago. Thanks Barb!
As for recieving thanks for posting files through Rapidshare, I too dont bother about whether I get any thanks for uploading anything and posting the links here. And the reason why? Not all the leechers are from QZ. Most of the time you find that someone has copied the link from here and posted it on some other forum or site as if it was their own. And so the original uploader hardly ever gets a "thank you".
Finally, and this is just a suggestion, why doesnt QZ have a trial run of banning MP3 and possibly poor quality video just to see how things go if that is what traders have a bug bear with here? Its just possible then that John might get his original request done in the manner he spoke of.
Censorship of mp3? Brilliant - especially considering that lossless files can be easily detected by frequency analysis.
John still will not be able to use his flac BBC sessions for trade bait because the traders are content with having the mp3 source.
John still will not be able to use his flac BBC sessions for trade bait because the traders are content with having the mp3 source.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green><b>Mr Mercury</b> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Finally, and this is just a suggestion, why doesnt QZ have a trial run of banning MP3 and possibly poor quality video just to see how things go if that is what traders have a bug bear with here? Its just possible then that John might get his original request done in the manner he spoke of.[/QUOTE]
Even though the banning of mp3 material would definately be a good step at some point, it is completely useless considering the current sorry state of this board with 80% of the users demanding mp3s and claiming there was no difference between lossless and lossy anyway.
It is the attitude of the large majority of members of this board that needs to change. Why would any collector want to seed a high quality lossless source if hardly anyone does really appreciate that while most of the people demanding an mp3 version? High quality sources and lossy audio compression are two things that don't work together. As long as most people on this board do not accept and/or understand this fact you'll never see any of these rare gems shared on QZ.
Even though the banning of mp3 material would definately be a good step at some point, it is completely useless considering the current sorry state of this board with 80% of the users demanding mp3s and claiming there was no difference between lossless and lossy anyway.
It is the attitude of the large majority of members of this board that needs to change. Why would any collector want to seed a high quality lossless source if hardly anyone does really appreciate that while most of the people demanding an mp3 version? High quality sources and lossy audio compression are two things that don't work together. As long as most people on this board do not accept and/or understand this fact you'll never see any of these rare gems shared on QZ.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Thanks for the reply.
But you still seem to think that trading is limited to requesting and downloading things publically. It goes much, much deeper than that.[/QUOTE]
I know that!
Don´t get me wrong, i´m not against trading. Even me in the past have traded for rare vinyls.
Please, everything i said is in the Queenzone context, and was just the reply to what was being said.
If i could, i would trade for Sunbury 74, because it´s something i would really love to have. I´m not against trading at all.
i just don´t like the so called traders coming to this board to tease with the fans, when we know that even them in the past have downloaded something from Queenzone.
If they don´t want to share, that´s OK, but at least they should show some respect for newbies or fans in general, and this is what´s missing in Queenzone.
The last couple of months i´ve witnessed many things wich i don´t aprove and i´m just saying that. And i´m shure you know what i´m talking about.
Take care
But you still seem to think that trading is limited to requesting and downloading things publically. It goes much, much deeper than that.[/QUOTE]
I know that!
Don´t get me wrong, i´m not against trading. Even me in the past have traded for rare vinyls.
Please, everything i said is in the Queenzone context, and was just the reply to what was being said.
If i could, i would trade for Sunbury 74, because it´s something i would really love to have. I´m not against trading at all.
i just don´t like the so called traders coming to this board to tease with the fans, when we know that even them in the past have downloaded something from Queenzone.
If they don´t want to share, that´s OK, but at least they should show some respect for newbies or fans in general, and this is what´s missing in Queenzone.
The last couple of months i´ve witnessed many things wich i don´t aprove and i´m just saying that. And i´m shure you know what i´m talking about.
Take care
Before we begin a discussion about what else Richard should do to solve the issues on the forums - he is out of the country and still travelling for a while. I am sure when he comes back we can sit down and discuss how the forums can be improved. I see a tendency of adding forum to forum to please everyone and there will still be people being dissatisfied.
As much as traders dislike mp3, they are not hell-made - many people still prefer mp3 because they listen to their bootlegs on mp3 players anyway. Martin is right - not too many traders do share anything here, so they should not decide on the rules. Maybe it's possible to have a forum for the mp3 and VCD uploaders and one for flac and DVD. I would like to upload some material in VCD format (simply because it's the only format I have of these videos) but I am tired of being attacked by the purists (who rarely upload anything themselves). I think I am not the only one who feels that way.
A more tolerant and a kinder attitude would be so helpful.
As much as traders dislike mp3, they are not hell-made - many people still prefer mp3 because they listen to their bootlegs on mp3 players anyway. Martin is right - not too many traders do share anything here, so they should not decide on the rules. Maybe it's possible to have a forum for the mp3 and VCD uploaders and one for flac and DVD. I would like to upload some material in VCD format (simply because it's the only format I have of these videos) but I am tired of being attacked by the purists (who rarely upload anything themselves). I think I am not the only one who feels that way.
A more tolerant and a kinder attitude would be so helpful.
Hi all
sorry to interupt this thread, but maybe it would be good to take a look at this site.
http://www.thetradersden.org/
might get some good ideas for QZ.
sorry to interupt this thread, but maybe it would be good to take a look at this site.
http://www.thetradersden.org/
might get some good ideas for QZ.