[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Someone answer this one
If the man in the back didnt say everyone attack, would it still have turned into a ballroom blitz?[/QUOTE]
It is arguable that should the man in the back have held back, then the girl in the corner would have been the instigator of the situation.
If the man in the back didnt say everyone attack, would it still have turned into a ballroom blitz?[/QUOTE]
It is arguable that should the man in the back have held back, then the girl in the corner would have been the instigator of the situation.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.[/QUOTE]
I am a Protestant and we have always referred to our ministers as "Pastor" (And they have all been married.).
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.[/QUOTE]
I am a Protestant and we have always referred to our ministers as "Pastor" (And they have all been married.).
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Janet wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.[/QUOTE]
I am a Protestant and we have always referred to our ministers as "Pastor" (And they have all been married.).[/QUOTE]
The title pastor is (incorrectly) used by Lutherans, Mennonites, Methodists, Presbyterians, Reformed tradition churches, and Baptists, as a kind of honorary title for the minister. However, a pastor is traditionally the title of a Roman-Catholic priest. It is also interesting to note that the US is the only country in the world (including other English-speaking countries) to use this term or a translated equivalent of it for any protestant minister.
As for the married part; they're protestants, not Catholics. They can marry.
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.[/QUOTE]
I am a Protestant and we have always referred to our ministers as "Pastor" (And they have all been married.).[/QUOTE]
The title pastor is (incorrectly) used by Lutherans, Mennonites, Methodists, Presbyterians, Reformed tradition churches, and Baptists, as a kind of honorary title for the minister. However, a pastor is traditionally the title of a Roman-Catholic priest. It is also interesting to note that the US is the only country in the world (including other English-speaking countries) to use this term or a translated equivalent of it for any protestant minister.
As for the married part; they're protestants, not Catholics. They can marry.
greek-catholic priests can marry...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haruko Aozora wrote: [/QUOTENAME]greek-catholic priests can marry...[/QUOTE]
They're not Catholic. They're Greek-Orthodox.
There are three main branches of Christianity (we will exclude Coptic Christians from this, as it makes matters confusing and they are only a very small group):
Eastern Orthodox (Church of Constantinople, Church of Greece, etc.) : they are a direct continuation of the dominant movement in early Christianity from rougly the later portion of the second century AD.
Roman Catholic Church: separated from the Eastern Orthodox Churches in the 11th century AD. In stead of the Patriarch in charge of the Eastern Orthodox Church, they established the Bishop of Rome as God's representative on earth, making him infallible (a practice not present in other Christian Churches)
Protestantism: a name given to all those denominations following the ideas of the 16th century "reformation". This includes, but is not limited to, the abolition of priesthood (a priest has authority over his congregation, a minister is technically speaking the equal of his), celibacy, worship of saints (which could be argued as being polytheistic) and unconditional loyalty to the Pope. In effect, this liberalized Christianity, including the common man (and to a lesser degree, woman) in its services more, and making Christianity individualistic and non-hierachical.
They're not Catholic. They're Greek-Orthodox.
There are three main branches of Christianity (we will exclude Coptic Christians from this, as it makes matters confusing and they are only a very small group):
Eastern Orthodox (Church of Constantinople, Church of Greece, etc.) : they are a direct continuation of the dominant movement in early Christianity from rougly the later portion of the second century AD.
Roman Catholic Church: separated from the Eastern Orthodox Churches in the 11th century AD. In stead of the Patriarch in charge of the Eastern Orthodox Church, they established the Bishop of Rome as God's representative on earth, making him infallible (a practice not present in other Christian Churches)
Protestantism: a name given to all those denominations following the ideas of the 16th century "reformation". This includes, but is not limited to, the abolition of priesthood (a priest has authority over his congregation, a minister is technically speaking the equal of his), celibacy, worship of saints (which could be argued as being polytheistic) and unconditional loyalty to the Pope. In effect, this liberalized Christianity, including the common man (and to a lesser degree, woman) in its services more, and making Christianity individualistic and non-hierachical.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haruko Aozora wrote: [/QUOTENAME]greek-catholic priests can marry...[/QUOTE]
They're not Catholic. They're Greek-Orthodox.
There are three main branches of Christianity (we will exclude Coptic Christians from this, as it makes matters confusing and they are only a very small group):
Eastern Orthodox (Church of Constantinople, Church of Greece, etc.) : they are a direct continuation of the dominant movement in early Christianity from rougly the later portion of the second century AD.
Roman Catholic Church: separated from the Eastern Orthodox Churches in the 11th century AD. In stead of the Patriarch in charge of the Eastern Orthodox Church, they established the Bishop of Rome as God's representative on earth, making him infallible (a practice not present in other Christian Churches)
Protestantism: a name given to all those denominations following the ideas of the 16th century "reformation". This includes, but is not limited to, the abolition of priesthood (a priest has authority over his congregation, a minister is technically speaking the equal of his), celibacy, worship of saints (which could be argued as being polytheistic) and unconditional loyalty to the Pope. In effect, this liberalized Christianity, including the common man (and to a lesser degree, woman) in its services more, and making Christianity individualistic and non-hierachical.[/QUOTE]
Another Excellent post by Thomas
Great explanation :-)
They're not Catholic. They're Greek-Orthodox.
There are three main branches of Christianity (we will exclude Coptic Christians from this, as it makes matters confusing and they are only a very small group):
Eastern Orthodox (Church of Constantinople, Church of Greece, etc.) : they are a direct continuation of the dominant movement in early Christianity from rougly the later portion of the second century AD.
Roman Catholic Church: separated from the Eastern Orthodox Churches in the 11th century AD. In stead of the Patriarch in charge of the Eastern Orthodox Church, they established the Bishop of Rome as God's representative on earth, making him infallible (a practice not present in other Christian Churches)
Protestantism: a name given to all those denominations following the ideas of the 16th century "reformation". This includes, but is not limited to, the abolition of priesthood (a priest has authority over his congregation, a minister is technically speaking the equal of his), celibacy, worship of saints (which could be argued as being polytheistic) and unconditional loyalty to the Pope. In effect, this liberalized Christianity, including the common man (and to a lesser degree, woman) in its services more, and making Christianity individualistic and non-hierachical.[/QUOTE]
Another Excellent post by Thomas
Great explanation :-)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haruko Aozora wrote: [/QUOTENAME]greek-catholic priests can marry...[/QUOTE]
They're not Catholic. They're Greek-Orthodox.
There are three main branches of Christianity (we will exclude Coptic Christians from this, as it makes matters confusing and they are only a very small group):
Eastern Orthodox (Church of Constantinople, Church of Greece, etc.) : they are a direct continuation of the dominant movement in early Christianity from rougly the later portion of the second century AD.
Roman Catholic Church: separated from the Eastern Orthodox Churches in the 11th century AD. In stead of the Patriarch in charge of the Eastern Orthodox Church, they established the Bishop of Rome as God's representative on earth, making him infallible (a practice not present in other Christian Churches)
Protestantism: a name given to all those denominations following the ideas of the 16th century "reformation". This includes, but is not limited to, the abolition of priesthood (a priest has authority over his congregation, a minister is technically speaking the equal of his), celibacy, worship of saints (which could be argued as being polytheistic) and unconditional loyalty to the Pope. In effect, this liberalized Christianity, including the common man (and to a lesser degree, woman) in its services more, and making Christianity individualistic and non-hierachical.[/QUOTE]
Another Excellent post by Thomas
Great explanation :-)[/QUOTE]
my dear... Greek-Catholic is a branch of Christianism specific for the are of Transylvania, where Romanians, in order to receive rights, they created a combination between Catholicism (the Habsburg part) and Orthodoxy (the Romanian part). And yes, Greek-Catholic priests can mary, otherwise I wouldn't be here, nor would my mom.
They're not Catholic. They're Greek-Orthodox.
There are three main branches of Christianity (we will exclude Coptic Christians from this, as it makes matters confusing and they are only a very small group):
Eastern Orthodox (Church of Constantinople, Church of Greece, etc.) : they are a direct continuation of the dominant movement in early Christianity from rougly the later portion of the second century AD.
Roman Catholic Church: separated from the Eastern Orthodox Churches in the 11th century AD. In stead of the Patriarch in charge of the Eastern Orthodox Church, they established the Bishop of Rome as God's representative on earth, making him infallible (a practice not present in other Christian Churches)
Protestantism: a name given to all those denominations following the ideas of the 16th century "reformation". This includes, but is not limited to, the abolition of priesthood (a priest has authority over his congregation, a minister is technically speaking the equal of his), celibacy, worship of saints (which could be argued as being polytheistic) and unconditional loyalty to the Pope. In effect, this liberalized Christianity, including the common man (and to a lesser degree, woman) in its services more, and making Christianity individualistic and non-hierachical.[/QUOTE]
Another Excellent post by Thomas
Great explanation :-)[/QUOTE]
my dear... Greek-Catholic is a branch of Christianism specific for the are of Transylvania, where Romanians, in order to receive rights, they created a combination between Catholicism (the Habsburg part) and Orthodoxy (the Romanian part). And yes, Greek-Catholic priests can mary, otherwise I wouldn't be here, nor would my mom.
I see my explanation wasn't clear enough. I blame myself for that. Regardless of the word 'Catholicism' in their name, they abide not by the Pope, but by the Patriarch. That makes them officially Eastern Orthodox, meaning they do not have celibacy amongst other things.
this is the thing about this church. it's got orthodox elements, but it recognizes the pope not the patriarch.
http://www.christusrex.org/www2/greek-catholic/
http://www.christusrex.org/www2/greek-catholic/
As we just discussed on MSN, I think this is mainly a matter of naming vs. categorization. However, there are always examples to be found which don't comply with standards if one looks for them. It's the essence of humanity, if you ask me.
As I told you, you can't find anything pure in my area... Pure as in totally catholic for example. It's specific for Eastern Europe. And usually when I say I'm Romanian, I can be Romanian, Hungarian, German, Gipsy, Serb, Turkish, etc... And it's all this mix that makes the stuff that is created here quite difficult to put in a particular cathegory (at least in the Western point of view).
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid not Casper. Vicars, Priests and clergy are also titles used officially in the Church of England, Church of Wales and many other protestant groups around the world, as are bishop, deacon, canon and rector - they are not exclusive to the roman catholic church. Whoops yourself.
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid not Casper. Vicars, Priests and clergy are also titles used officially in the Church of England, Church of Wales and many other protestant groups around the world, as are bishop, deacon, canon and rector - they are not exclusive to the roman catholic church. Whoops yourself.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid not Casper. Vicars, Priests and clergy are also titles used officially in the Church of England, Church of Wales and many other protestant groups around the world, as are bishop, deacon, canon and rector - they are not exclusive to the roman catholic church. Whoops yourself.[/QUOTE]
A) CaspAr, with an A, thank you
B) The Church Of England is indeed a complicated issue. They are not really protestant, in fact; they are inbetween. The practice of worship of saints is distinctly catholic (in fact, repulsion towards this (and the worldly position of the clergy) was one of the main reasons for the protestant uprising), for instance. Yet the Church Of England still recognizes the saints. Furthermore, they have a Catholic hierachy. You will find this is not present in ANY protestant church. As for "and many other protestant groups around the world", this is only true for 'protestant' groups which are part of the Church Of England (such as the Church Of Wales you mentioned).
If you were to research the subject, you would find that, although I cannot deny that you are right as far as the Church Of England is concerned (even though I maintain that it is not truly protestant), I am completely right in what I have stated here.
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid not Casper. Vicars, Priests and clergy are also titles used officially in the Church of England, Church of Wales and many other protestant groups around the world, as are bishop, deacon, canon and rector - they are not exclusive to the roman catholic church. Whoops yourself.[/QUOTE]
A) CaspAr, with an A, thank you
B) The Church Of England is indeed a complicated issue. They are not really protestant, in fact; they are inbetween. The practice of worship of saints is distinctly catholic (in fact, repulsion towards this (and the worldly position of the clergy) was one of the main reasons for the protestant uprising), for instance. Yet the Church Of England still recognizes the saints. Furthermore, they have a Catholic hierachy. You will find this is not present in ANY protestant church. As for "and many other protestant groups around the world", this is only true for 'protestant' groups which are part of the Church Of England (such as the Church Of Wales you mentioned).
If you were to research the subject, you would find that, although I cannot deny that you are right as far as the Church Of England is concerned (even though I maintain that it is not truly protestant), I am completely right in what I have stated here.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid not Casper. Vicars, Priests and clergy are also titles used officially in the Church of England, Church of Wales and many other protestant groups around the world, as are bishop, deacon, canon and rector - they are not exclusive to the roman catholic church. Whoops yourself.[/QUOTE]
A) CaspAr, with an A, thank you
B) The Church Of England is indeed a complicated issue. They are not really protestant, in fact; they are inbetween. The practice of worship of saints is distinctly catholic (in fact, repulsion towards this (and the worldly position of the clergy) was one of the main reasons for the protestant uprising), for instance. Yet the Church Of England still recognizes the saints. Furthermore, they have a Catholic hierachy. You will find this is not present in ANY protestant church. As for "and many other protestant groups around the world", this is only true for 'protestant' groups which are part of the Church Of England (such as the Church Of Wales you mentioned).
If you were to research the subject, you would find that, although I cannot deny that you are right as far as the Church Of England is concerned (even though I maintain that it is not truly protestant), I am completely right in what I have stated here.[/QUOTE]
I don't know a whole lot about the Church of England, but when I was taking a course in Tudor England last summer the prof said something that kind of applies to what Caspar just said. Of course, he was talking in the historical context, and since I'm not familiar with the "modern" church I don't know how far this applies, but Caspar reminded me of this.
My prof said that the Church of England was basically "Catholocism without the Pope", because it retained so many other catholic elements. Whether that's true today still...I don't know. But, I just thought I'd share that.
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid not Casper. Vicars, Priests and clergy are also titles used officially in the Church of England, Church of Wales and many other protestant groups around the world, as are bishop, deacon, canon and rector - they are not exclusive to the roman catholic church. Whoops yourself.[/QUOTE]
A) CaspAr, with an A, thank you
B) The Church Of England is indeed a complicated issue. They are not really protestant, in fact; they are inbetween. The practice of worship of saints is distinctly catholic (in fact, repulsion towards this (and the worldly position of the clergy) was one of the main reasons for the protestant uprising), for instance. Yet the Church Of England still recognizes the saints. Furthermore, they have a Catholic hierachy. You will find this is not present in ANY protestant church. As for "and many other protestant groups around the world", this is only true for 'protestant' groups which are part of the Church Of England (such as the Church Of Wales you mentioned).
If you were to research the subject, you would find that, although I cannot deny that you are right as far as the Church Of England is concerned (even though I maintain that it is not truly protestant), I am completely right in what I have stated here.[/QUOTE]
I don't know a whole lot about the Church of England, but when I was taking a course in Tudor England last summer the prof said something that kind of applies to what Caspar just said. Of course, he was talking in the historical context, and since I'm not familiar with the "modern" church I don't know how far this applies, but Caspar reminded me of this.
My prof said that the Church of England was basically "Catholocism without the Pope", because it retained so many other catholic elements. Whether that's true today still...I don't know. But, I just thought I'd share that.