Thank you very much. And your professor's words are not in the least bit uncommon. In fact, it's the same description I heard my father (who was a professor of comparative religious studies) give it.
The Church Of England did not come into existance in the same way as the reformation and it's protestants did. While they were born out of idealism, and were based upon a whole new set of values regarding revolutionizing of the faith, the Church Of England was created out of one person's personal necessities: the king. So, instead of changing the whole thing to fit the needs of a changing age, he only changed what he needed to make it fit his current needs, which left him with augmented Catholicism.
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No Prob, Caspar.
I did enjoy that class, and learning all about the religious "break" from Rome, if one could call it that. Personally, I don't think the "break" was made until the second half of Elizabeth's reign, even though some still insist on marking it with Henry VIII's divorce campaign.
It's a fascinating area of history, and a classic example of spin (spin being defined as twisting the truth of a situation to meet your current needs). I mean, there was never really a time when Henry came out and said "I want a divorce, and the Pope won't sanction it, so screw him, I'm forming my own chuch". He was always releasing statements and things that said things like "Catholocism has failed the people" and pointed to the grievances already listed by other Protestant Groups because it was convienient at the time.
My my....how little people change in the 450+ years since then.
I did enjoy that class, and learning all about the religious "break" from Rome, if one could call it that. Personally, I don't think the "break" was made until the second half of Elizabeth's reign, even though some still insist on marking it with Henry VIII's divorce campaign.
It's a fascinating area of history, and a classic example of spin (spin being defined as twisting the truth of a situation to meet your current needs). I mean, there was never really a time when Henry came out and said "I want a divorce, and the Pope won't sanction it, so screw him, I'm forming my own chuch". He was always releasing statements and things that said things like "Catholocism has failed the people" and pointed to the grievances already listed by other Protestant Groups because it was convienient at the time.
My my....how little people change in the 450+ years since then.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid not Casper. Vicars, Priests and clergy are also titles used officially in the Church of England, Church of Wales and many other protestant groups around the world, as are bishop, deacon, canon and rector - they are not exclusive to the roman catholic church. Whoops yourself.[/QUOTE]
A) CaspAr, with an A, thank you
B) The Church Of England is indeed a complicated issue. They are not really protestant, in fact; they are inbetween. The practice of worship of saints is distinctly catholic (in fact, repulsion towards this (and the worldly position of the clergy) was one of the main reasons for the protestant uprising), for instance. Yet the Church Of England still recognizes the saints. Furthermore, they have a Catholic hierachy. You will find this is not present in ANY protestant church. As for "and many other protestant groups around the world", this is only true for 'protestant' groups which are part of the Church Of England (such as the Church Of Wales you mentioned).
If you were to research the subject, you would find that, although I cannot deny that you are right as far as the Church Of England is concerned (even though I maintain that it is not truly protestant), I am completely right in what I have stated here.[/QUOTE]
Firstly, sorry about the mis-spelling, I thought you may object to being lumped in with a friendly ghost!
Secondly, never say that the church of wales if part of the church of england, especially if you're in wales (unless you like getting a kicking from lots of hardcore rugby players that is)
Thirdly, in all my life being brought up as a protestant in Britain (and in france) I've never come across anyone worshipping saints, as this kind of goes against the whole idea of 'one god' to worship.
CMU history girl says that the CofE is basically 'catholicism without the pope' but it's also missing confession, (official) celibacy amongst the clergy, depictions of the stations of the cross, latin mass, transubstantiation and a whole lot of other crap. It's still all a load of cobblers if you ask me, but it's very different to catholic cobblers in my experience :)
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid not Casper. Vicars, Priests and clergy are also titles used officially in the Church of England, Church of Wales and many other protestant groups around the world, as are bishop, deacon, canon and rector - they are not exclusive to the roman catholic church. Whoops yourself.[/QUOTE]
A) CaspAr, with an A, thank you
B) The Church Of England is indeed a complicated issue. They are not really protestant, in fact; they are inbetween. The practice of worship of saints is distinctly catholic (in fact, repulsion towards this (and the worldly position of the clergy) was one of the main reasons for the protestant uprising), for instance. Yet the Church Of England still recognizes the saints. Furthermore, they have a Catholic hierachy. You will find this is not present in ANY protestant church. As for "and many other protestant groups around the world", this is only true for 'protestant' groups which are part of the Church Of England (such as the Church Of Wales you mentioned).
If you were to research the subject, you would find that, although I cannot deny that you are right as far as the Church Of England is concerned (even though I maintain that it is not truly protestant), I am completely right in what I have stated here.[/QUOTE]
Firstly, sorry about the mis-spelling, I thought you may object to being lumped in with a friendly ghost!
Secondly, never say that the church of wales if part of the church of england, especially if you're in wales (unless you like getting a kicking from lots of hardcore rugby players that is)
Thirdly, in all my life being brought up as a protestant in Britain (and in france) I've never come across anyone worshipping saints, as this kind of goes against the whole idea of 'one god' to worship.
CMU history girl says that the CofE is basically 'catholicism without the pope' but it's also missing confession, (official) celibacy amongst the clergy, depictions of the stations of the cross, latin mass, transubstantiation and a whole lot of other crap. It's still all a load of cobblers if you ask me, but it's very different to catholic cobblers in my experience :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Someone answer this one
If the man in the back didnt say everyone attack, would it still have turned into a ballroom blitz?[/QUOTE]
It is arguable that should the man in the back have held back, then the girl in the corner would have been the instigator of the situation.[/QUOTE]
She was trying to warn us
If the man in the back didnt say everyone attack, would it still have turned into a ballroom blitz?[/QUOTE]
It is arguable that should the man in the back have held back, then the girl in the corner would have been the instigator of the situation.[/QUOTE]
She was trying to warn us
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid not Casper. Vicars, Priests and clergy are also titles used officially in the Church of England, Church of Wales and many other protestant groups around the world, as are bishop, deacon, canon and rector - they are not exclusive to the roman catholic church. Whoops yourself.[/QUOTE]
A) CaspAr, with an A, thank you
B) The Church Of England is indeed a complicated issue. They are not really protestant, in fact; they are inbetween. The practice of worship of saints is distinctly catholic (in fact, repulsion towards this (and the worldly position of the clergy) was one of the main reasons for the protestant uprising), for instance. Yet the Church Of England still recognizes the saints. Furthermore, they have a Catholic hierachy. You will find this is not present in ANY protestant church. As for "and many other protestant groups around the world", this is only true for 'protestant' groups which are part of the Church Of England (such as the Church Of Wales you mentioned).
If you were to research the subject, you would find that, although I cannot deny that you are right as far as the Church Of England is concerned (even though I maintain that it is not truly protestant), I am completely right in what I have stated here.[/QUOTE]
Firstly, sorry about the mis-spelling, I thought you may object to being lumped in with a friendly ghost!
Secondly, never say that the church of wales if part of the church of england, especially if you're in wales (unless you like getting a kicking from lots of hardcore rugby players that is)
Thirdly, in all my life being brought up as a protestant in Britain (and in france) I've never come across anyone worshipping saints, as this kind of goes against the whole idea of 'one god' to worship.
CMU history girl says that the CofE is basically 'catholicism without the pope' but it's also missing confession, (official) celibacy amongst the clergy, depictions of the stations of the cross, latin mass, transubstantiation and a whole lot of other crap. It's still all a load of cobblers if you ask me, but it's very different to catholic cobblers in my experience :)
[/QUOTE]
I did say that, but I think you missed the place where I said I was speaking in the historical context, because I didn't know much about the modern chuch of England. I have no idea if it's still that way. My point was that when it was first formed (and for the first at least 30 years) that's what it was. I don't know if it's still like that, so that's not what I was trying to say.
No offence, I'm just trying to clarify that I didn't make that judgement about the modern church, since I refrain from making judgements about things I know nothing about (which seperates me from 95% of all other Americans).
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid not Casper. Vicars, Priests and clergy are also titles used officially in the Church of England, Church of Wales and many other protestant groups around the world, as are bishop, deacon, canon and rector - they are not exclusive to the roman catholic church. Whoops yourself.[/QUOTE]
A) CaspAr, with an A, thank you
B) The Church Of England is indeed a complicated issue. They are not really protestant, in fact; they are inbetween. The practice of worship of saints is distinctly catholic (in fact, repulsion towards this (and the worldly position of the clergy) was one of the main reasons for the protestant uprising), for instance. Yet the Church Of England still recognizes the saints. Furthermore, they have a Catholic hierachy. You will find this is not present in ANY protestant church. As for "and many other protestant groups around the world", this is only true for 'protestant' groups which are part of the Church Of England (such as the Church Of Wales you mentioned).
If you were to research the subject, you would find that, although I cannot deny that you are right as far as the Church Of England is concerned (even though I maintain that it is not truly protestant), I am completely right in what I have stated here.[/QUOTE]
Firstly, sorry about the mis-spelling, I thought you may object to being lumped in with a friendly ghost!
Secondly, never say that the church of wales if part of the church of england, especially if you're in wales (unless you like getting a kicking from lots of hardcore rugby players that is)
Thirdly, in all my life being brought up as a protestant in Britain (and in france) I've never come across anyone worshipping saints, as this kind of goes against the whole idea of 'one god' to worship.
CMU history girl says that the CofE is basically 'catholicism without the pope' but it's also missing confession, (official) celibacy amongst the clergy, depictions of the stations of the cross, latin mass, transubstantiation and a whole lot of other crap. It's still all a load of cobblers if you ask me, but it's very different to catholic cobblers in my experience :)
[/QUOTE]
I did say that, but I think you missed the place where I said I was speaking in the historical context, because I didn't know much about the modern chuch of England. I have no idea if it's still that way. My point was that when it was first formed (and for the first at least 30 years) that's what it was. I don't know if it's still like that, so that's not what I was trying to say.
No offence, I'm just trying to clarify that I didn't make that judgement about the modern church, since I refrain from making judgements about things I know nothing about (which seperates me from 95% of all other Americans).
i can suprisingly answer all of those questions
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid not Casper. Vicars, Priests and clergy are also titles used officially in the Church of England, Church of Wales and many other protestant groups around the world, as are bishop, deacon, canon and rector - they are not exclusive to the roman catholic church. Whoops yourself.[/QUOTE]
A) CaspAr, with an A, thank you
B) The Church Of England is indeed a complicated issue. They are not really protestant, in fact; they are inbetween. The practice of worship of saints is distinctly catholic (in fact, repulsion towards this (and the worldly position of the clergy) was one of the main reasons for the protestant uprising), for instance. Yet the Church Of England still recognizes the saints. Furthermore, they have a Catholic hierachy. You will find this is not present in ANY protestant church. As for "and many other protestant groups around the world", this is only true for 'protestant' groups which are part of the Church Of England (such as the Church Of Wales you mentioned).
If you were to research the subject, you would find that, although I cannot deny that you are right as far as the Church Of England is concerned (even though I maintain that it is not truly protestant), I am completely right in what I have stated here.[/QUOTE]
Firstly, sorry about the mis-spelling, I thought you may object to being lumped in with a friendly ghost!
Secondly, never say that the church of wales if part of the church of england, especially if you're in wales (unless you like getting a kicking from lots of hardcore rugby players that is)
Thirdly, in all my life being brought up as a protestant in Britain (and in france) I've never come across anyone worshipping saints, as this kind of goes against the whole idea of 'one god' to worship.
CMU history girl says that the CofE is basically 'catholicism without the pope' but it's also missing confession, (official) celibacy amongst the clergy, depictions of the stations of the cross, latin mass, transubstantiation and a whole lot of other crap. It's still all a load of cobblers if you ask me, but it's very different to catholic cobblers in my experience :)
[/QUOTE]
I did say that, but I think you missed the place where I said I was speaking in the historical context, because I didn't know much about the modern chuch of England. I have no idea if it's still that way. My point was that when it was first formed (and for the first at least 30 years) that's what it was. I don't know if it's still like that, so that's not what I was trying to say.
No offence, I'm just trying to clarify that I didn't make that judgement about the modern church, since I refrain from making judgements about things I know nothing about (which seperates me from 95% of all other Americans).[/QUOTE]
glad to hear it :)
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Pastors (or priests/ministers/vicars/clergy) can and do get married in most denominations other than catholicism...
however, I don't think they're allowed to marry themselves. Can you imagine if they got hideously mashed. They'd end up with about twelve wives/husbands![/QUOTE]
Pastors, priests, vicars, clergy are terms refering exclusively to Catholic functions, my friend. Whoops.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid not Casper. Vicars, Priests and clergy are also titles used officially in the Church of England, Church of Wales and many other protestant groups around the world, as are bishop, deacon, canon and rector - they are not exclusive to the roman catholic church. Whoops yourself.[/QUOTE]
A) CaspAr, with an A, thank you
B) The Church Of England is indeed a complicated issue. They are not really protestant, in fact; they are inbetween. The practice of worship of saints is distinctly catholic (in fact, repulsion towards this (and the worldly position of the clergy) was one of the main reasons for the protestant uprising), for instance. Yet the Church Of England still recognizes the saints. Furthermore, they have a Catholic hierachy. You will find this is not present in ANY protestant church. As for "and many other protestant groups around the world", this is only true for 'protestant' groups which are part of the Church Of England (such as the Church Of Wales you mentioned).
If you were to research the subject, you would find that, although I cannot deny that you are right as far as the Church Of England is concerned (even though I maintain that it is not truly protestant), I am completely right in what I have stated here.[/QUOTE]
Firstly, sorry about the mis-spelling, I thought you may object to being lumped in with a friendly ghost!
Secondly, never say that the church of wales if part of the church of england, especially if you're in wales (unless you like getting a kicking from lots of hardcore rugby players that is)
Thirdly, in all my life being brought up as a protestant in Britain (and in france) I've never come across anyone worshipping saints, as this kind of goes against the whole idea of 'one god' to worship.
CMU history girl says that the CofE is basically 'catholicism without the pope' but it's also missing confession, (official) celibacy amongst the clergy, depictions of the stations of the cross, latin mass, transubstantiation and a whole lot of other crap. It's still all a load of cobblers if you ask me, but it's very different to catholic cobblers in my experience :)
[/QUOTE]
I did say that, but I think you missed the place where I said I was speaking in the historical context, because I didn't know much about the modern chuch of England. I have no idea if it's still that way. My point was that when it was first formed (and for the first at least 30 years) that's what it was. I don't know if it's still like that, so that's not what I was trying to say.
No offence, I'm just trying to clarify that I didn't make that judgement about the modern church, since I refrain from making judgements about things I know nothing about (which seperates me from 95% of all other Americans).[/QUOTE]
glad to hear it :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"Does a baby feel the umbilical cord being cut off?"
No, an umbilical cord doesn't have nerves.
"Why can't liquor freeze? "
Liquor can freeze. But alcohol (or water with alcohol) needs a lower temperature to freeze.
"If a singer sings their own song during a karaoke party, is it considered karaoke?"
Yes, karaoke means "empty orchestra". And it doesn't matter who wrote the song.
"Why is Joey short for Joe, when Joey has more letters?"
Joey isn't short for Joe.. Joey and Joe are both short for Joseph.
"If you were a pastor, and you were getting married, would you hire a pastor, or would you do the wedding yourself?"
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Whoa you are the smarts ;)
Some questions made me think a little. Like the 7/11 question. My answer would be, because doors are made that way.
No, an umbilical cord doesn't have nerves.
"Why can't liquor freeze? "
Liquor can freeze. But alcohol (or water with alcohol) needs a lower temperature to freeze.
"If a singer sings their own song during a karaoke party, is it considered karaoke?"
Yes, karaoke means "empty orchestra". And it doesn't matter who wrote the song.
"Why is Joey short for Joe, when Joey has more letters?"
Joey isn't short for Joe.. Joey and Joe are both short for Joseph.
"If you were a pastor, and you were getting married, would you hire a pastor, or would you do the wedding yourself?"
Pastors aren't allowed to get married
[/QUOTE]
Whoa you are the smarts ;)
Some questions made me think a little. Like the 7/11 question. My answer would be, because doors are made that way.