At least it is better than the recently recycled FM stuff we already have 95% of on CD and DVD.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mike Van wrote: [/QUOTENAME]At least it is better than the recently recycled FM stuff we already have 95% of on CD and DVD.[/QUOTE]
and the other 5% is a theirry lang track and a bunch of dumb remixes....
and the other 5% is a theirry lang track and a bunch of dumb remixes....
I've actually wanted to see this concert in full for a long time, so, I'm happy at least.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]KevoM wrote: [/QUOTENAME]GREAT NEWS
Let's hope they do a high-def version too, now that would be AWESOME
"(will be good to see it at the correct speed at least!)"
Not Queen's fault that PAL converted films speeds up by 4%, it happens with all films. (Flash Gordon/Highlander anyone?)
NTSC is the way to go if you want the correct speed (audio pitch) as it always has been with DVDs (albeit lower res and jerky 3:2 pull down)
So PAL DVD version of Budapest will still be fast unless they do a pitch correction.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. Some people recently developed a pulldown method for Film > PAL transfer encoding which, while not 100% smooth (apparently just a tiny stutter every few seconds or so), would eradicate the need for speeding up the video and audio. I believe it sort of follows the 3:2 / 2:3 pulldown (algorithm?) methods used for Film transfers within NTSC.
I believe you can read about the method at http://www.doom9.org
Let's hope they do a high-def version too, now that would be AWESOME
"(will be good to see it at the correct speed at least!)"
Not Queen's fault that PAL converted films speeds up by 4%, it happens with all films. (Flash Gordon/Highlander anyone?)
NTSC is the way to go if you want the correct speed (audio pitch) as it always has been with DVDs (albeit lower res and jerky 3:2 pull down)
So PAL DVD version of Budapest will still be fast unless they do a pitch correction.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. Some people recently developed a pulldown method for Film > PAL transfer encoding which, while not 100% smooth (apparently just a tiny stutter every few seconds or so), would eradicate the need for speeding up the video and audio. I believe it sort of follows the 3:2 / 2:3 pulldown (algorithm?) methods used for Film transfers within NTSC.
I believe you can read about the method at http://www.doom9.org
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mikahl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Well this topic gives me a headache, but since the concert was apparently shot on film, which is closer to the PAL framerate than NTSC, if it's remastered then there shouldn't be any problem.
It's ridiculous anyway. A mistake was made during the original transfer obviously. We have NTSC and PAL versions of everything else without speed problems.
My favourite theory about this was the dude who said they sped it up slightly to save videotape on the VHS version. LOL!
But anyway, that's good news about the possible releases..[/QUOTE]
Again, as I've discussed before regarding Budapest, this was shot on 35mm film at a rate of 24fps (frames per second). PAL uses a rate of 25fps, so the frames actually do not match up or divide evenly, hence the film actually had to be speeded up back then (actually, this still happens with a lot of PAL releases these days in a lot of cases with movies) by 1fps (or an increase of 4%) to match up with the PAL framerate.
Again, there are special algorithms available now to convert Film to PAL w/o speeding it up. In fact, some European broadcasters are using this new pulldown method for movie broadcasts. But it is not 100% perfect.
On the other hand, Film can be converted to NTSC using a 3:2 (technically 2:3) telecine pulldown method to add an extra 5 frames to each second of video. While this makes for a nice transition to NTSC, especially on DVD's (HD DVD and Blu-Ray discs use the original (native) Film rate for movies), it makes for slightly jerky movements in slow panning movements, hence why a lot of DVD players offer progressive output so that the compatible TV (receiver) can decode the video to it's original 24p (progressive) format (since NTSC is 29.97i (interlaced)).
So I hope this clears things up.
PS. Sorry if I sounded like a geek for a moment there :D
PPS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecine
It's ridiculous anyway. A mistake was made during the original transfer obviously. We have NTSC and PAL versions of everything else without speed problems.
My favourite theory about this was the dude who said they sped it up slightly to save videotape on the VHS version. LOL!
But anyway, that's good news about the possible releases..[/QUOTE]
Again, as I've discussed before regarding Budapest, this was shot on 35mm film at a rate of 24fps (frames per second). PAL uses a rate of 25fps, so the frames actually do not match up or divide evenly, hence the film actually had to be speeded up back then (actually, this still happens with a lot of PAL releases these days in a lot of cases with movies) by 1fps (or an increase of 4%) to match up with the PAL framerate.
Again, there are special algorithms available now to convert Film to PAL w/o speeding it up. In fact, some European broadcasters are using this new pulldown method for movie broadcasts. But it is not 100% perfect.
On the other hand, Film can be converted to NTSC using a 3:2 (technically 2:3) telecine pulldown method to add an extra 5 frames to each second of video. While this makes for a nice transition to NTSC, especially on DVD's (HD DVD and Blu-Ray discs use the original (native) Film rate for movies), it makes for slightly jerky movements in slow panning movements, hence why a lot of DVD players offer progressive output so that the compatible TV (receiver) can decode the video to it's original 24p (progressive) format (since NTSC is 29.97i (interlaced)).
So I hope this clears things up.
PS. Sorry if I sounded like a geek for a moment there :D
PPS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecine
Yeah... Hey you gentlemen from QPL, give us Truro '70 on DVD!
Releasing Budapest is odd - we have wembley and we have the live magic CD. I mean Queen did stadiums on other tours.
I think they should release an American concert they did anytime from 1977-1980ish
Dont release budapest - its on VHS so leave it at that!!.
Perhaps they could release 2 concerts at the one time as one pachage???
Problem solved - i am fantastic
I think they should release an American concert they did anytime from 1977-1980ish
Dont release budapest - its on VHS so leave it at that!!.
Perhaps they could release 2 concerts at the one time as one pachage???
Problem solved - i am fantastic
I think Budapest can be a great release on DVD or in HD. The quality should be better than Wembley and I also think the band sound very good in Budapest. VHS is outdated and not complete. And with the release of Budapest they could add a lot of bonus from the Magic tour. I hope I get some new Queen DVDs soon and in good quality.
Budapest will be a great dvd of course!!!
But I think they should release a concert from the 70's era
But I think they should release a concert from the 70's era
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Kenneth E. Sandvær wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I think Budapest can be a great release on DVD or in HD. The quality should be better than Wembley and I also think the band sound very good in Budapest. VHS is outdated and not complete. And with the release of Budapest they could add a lot of bonus from the Magic tour. I hope I get some new Queen DVDs soon and in good quality.[/QUOTE]
my opinion...
of course Bupapest will be better than Wembley,even VHS of Budapest,it's far better than Wembley DVD, of course talking about picture quality. Let's hope that they have access to the original film reals and audio so they could do a proper 5.1 mix,not an 5.1 upmix like Tribute Concert or Wembley
i have the Budapest VHS,and i want a complete version of the concert,with all the songs,with no cuts like TYMD or CLTCL... who's the person that don't want a COMPLETE version of a concert already realesed,but is cutted in pieces?
if in this days there is tecnology that enables companies to realese full versions of already available material that were cut because the VHS tape isn't long enough...why not use it?
my opinion...
of course Bupapest will be better than Wembley,even VHS of Budapest,it's far better than Wembley DVD, of course talking about picture quality. Let's hope that they have access to the original film reals and audio so they could do a proper 5.1 mix,not an 5.1 upmix like Tribute Concert or Wembley
i have the Budapest VHS,and i want a complete version of the concert,with all the songs,with no cuts like TYMD or CLTCL... who's the person that don't want a COMPLETE version of a concert already realesed,but is cutted in pieces?
if in this days there is tecnology that enables companies to realese full versions of already available material that were cut because the VHS tape isn't long enough...why not use it?
On the one hand it is a good concert, will look & sound superb, and should give us another complete concert. And there's no Robbie WIlliams, no remixes..
On the other hand, it's the fucking Magic Tour. AGAIN.
You'd think they were ashamed of their 70s output.
On the other hand, it's the fucking Magic Tour. AGAIN.
You'd think they were ashamed of their 70s output.
We don't know if QP have the complete original material but if they have it I would not mind if they releae it. Budapest was a great concert.
On the other hand we do know that they have complete Houston and Earls Court which would be awesome to see in good quality. A 1970s concert in full length would be a dream come true.
On the other hand we do know that they have complete Houston and Earls Court which would be awesome to see in good quality. A 1970s concert in full length would be a dream come true.
YourValentine is right...more 70`s, please...
fuck yea, another Magic tour show! :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]popy wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Kenneth E. Sandvær wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I think Budapest can be a great release on DVD or in HD. The quality should be better than Wembley and I also think the band sound very good in Budapest. VHS is outdated and not complete. And with the release of Budapest they could add a lot of bonus from the Magic tour. I hope I get some new Queen DVDs soon and in good quality.[/QUOTE]
my opinion...
of course Bupapest will be better than Wembley,even VHS of Budapest,it's far better than Wembley DVD, of course talking about picture quality. Let's hope that they have access to the original film reals and audio so they could do a proper 5.1 mix,not an 5.1 upmix like Tribute Concert or Wembley
i have the Budapest VHS,and i want a complete version of the concert,with all the songs,with no cuts like TYMD or CLTCL... who's the person that don't want a COMPLETE version of a concert already realesed,but is cutted in pieces?
if in this days there is tecnology that enables companies to realese full versions of already available material that were cut because the VHS tape isn't long enough...why not use it?[/QUOTE]
How about "Why use it NOW?" Budapest, in some form, has already been released on both VHS and laserdisc not to mention the occasional TV broadcast. Why not release another concert that *has never been released in any form at all*? Queen just keeps going back to the same well over and over again. This is yet another clear example of their tunnel vision and lack of original thinking in their camp.
my opinion...
of course Bupapest will be better than Wembley,even VHS of Budapest,it's far better than Wembley DVD, of course talking about picture quality. Let's hope that they have access to the original film reals and audio so they could do a proper 5.1 mix,not an 5.1 upmix like Tribute Concert or Wembley
i have the Budapest VHS,and i want a complete version of the concert,with all the songs,with no cuts like TYMD or CLTCL... who's the person that don't want a COMPLETE version of a concert already realesed,but is cutted in pieces?
if in this days there is tecnology that enables companies to realese full versions of already available material that were cut because the VHS tape isn't long enough...why not use it?[/QUOTE]
How about "Why use it NOW?" Budapest, in some form, has already been released on both VHS and laserdisc not to mention the occasional TV broadcast. Why not release another concert that *has never been released in any form at all*? Queen just keeps going back to the same well over and over again. This is yet another clear example of their tunnel vision and lack of original thinking in their camp.