The copyright to the Amsterdam/Heineken cd-rom indeed licensed and belongs to QueenProductions; it says so on the cover and all promotional items.
Sorry, but both these are considered official releases and are not allowed to be shared in here.
Thanks for your good intentions in sharing these, but please delete the torrent.
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Jeroen is right. Please do not share that stuff in here.
It's tv broadcast, so everybody can record this for self use. Everybody pay taxes in prices of blank cassetes, discs etc. for copyrights, so I CAN record EVERYTHING from tv. I CAN record "We will rock you" from tv and I CAN'T record "We will rock you" from my friends DVD. TV station have paid for Queen for this broadcast already too. They realise people will record this.
So if it's ok sharing here some tv reports or tv docummentaries, nothing wrong in sharing this one.
So if it's ok sharing here some tv reports or tv docummentaries, nothing wrong in sharing this one.
I am still not sure if the files are official releases or not, I personally do not think they are, so, until an administrator from this forum tells me that the torrent should be deleted they will remain.
I'm not going to share something here and have it end up in mp3s or mpeg-1 on rapidshare because someone wants smaller files. Forget it.
Of all the band websites on the internet that attract thousands of visitors a day, this is the only one I've ever seen where members actually criticize people for having quality standards. This is absolutely pathetic. Have a look at the policies at The Traders Den. They have their business in order.
Some sites require only lossless formats be shared, others, like this one, do not.
Had it been official policy to NOT share low resolution files, I would not have uploaded the files. But this site does NOT. And some people downloaded them.
And what do you care what people do with their files? They share theirs, and you share yours. I'm sure you didn't record your bootlegs yourself, you most likely got them, especially when you first started colledting, on the internet, and for FREE. It is illegal to sell bootlegs, right?
I thought the idea of sites like this was to SHARE bootlegs of Queen. If I had good quality videos like Earl's Court, for which I am still looking, I would share it here, and not create a webpage to show what I have amassed.
In fact, I would share it in a number of torrent sites, and make sure a lot of people have it.
Of all the band websites on the internet that attract thousands of visitors a day, this is the only one I've ever seen where members actually criticize people for having quality standards. This is absolutely pathetic. Have a look at the policies at The Traders Den. They have their business in order.
Some sites require only lossless formats be shared, others, like this one, do not.
Had it been official policy to NOT share low resolution files, I would not have uploaded the files. But this site does NOT. And some people downloaded them.
And what do you care what people do with their files? They share theirs, and you share yours. I'm sure you didn't record your bootlegs yourself, you most likely got them, especially when you first started colledting, on the internet, and for FREE. It is illegal to sell bootlegs, right?
I thought the idea of sites like this was to SHARE bootlegs of Queen. If I had good quality videos like Earl's Court, for which I am still looking, I would share it here, and not create a webpage to show what I have amassed.
In fact, I would share it in a number of torrent sites, and make sure a lot of people have it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tgunn2760 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I am still not sure if the files are official releases or not, I personally do not think they are, so, until an administrator from this forum tells me that the torrent should be deleted they will remain.
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I am as good as an administrator.
Please delete!
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To Erik Viking: it does not matter wether it was recorded from tv or not. Wembley, Budapest, WWRY were all broadcast on TV but are not allowed to be shared in here either. They have been officially released. END
And once again a reminder: it is not a matter of that WE don't want people to share this in here - it's the rules set by Queen Productions that we have to oblige to to avoid that Queenzone will be closed down.
If you don't agree or find it stupid, complain to them - not to us.
The rules of Queenzone are that THIS IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE SHARED IN HERE! No discussion needed.
We ask you nicely to delete the torrent - no need to wait for any of the moderators to do that FOR you.
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I am as good as an administrator.
Please delete!
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To Erik Viking: it does not matter wether it was recorded from tv or not. Wembley, Budapest, WWRY were all broadcast on TV but are not allowed to be shared in here either. They have been officially released. END
And once again a reminder: it is not a matter of that WE don't want people to share this in here - it's the rules set by Queen Productions that we have to oblige to to avoid that Queenzone will be closed down.
If you don't agree or find it stupid, complain to them - not to us.
The rules of Queenzone are that THIS IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE SHARED IN HERE! No discussion needed.
We ask you nicely to delete the torrent - no need to wait for any of the moderators to do that FOR you.
I didn't ask for the moderators to delete the torrent, I asked that one TELL me that he/she is a moderator and then tell me to delete it.
I don't understand what "as good as a moderator" means, I see nothing on your profile that indicated that you are a moderator.
I did however, delete the torrent.
I don't understand what "as good as a moderator" means, I see nothing on your profile that indicated that you are a moderator.
I did however, delete the torrent.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tgunn2760 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I thought the idea of sites like this was to SHARE bootlegs of Queen. If I had good quality videos like Earl's Court, for which I am still looking, I would share it here, and not create a webpage to show what I have amassed.
In fact, I would share it in a number of torrent sites, and make sure a lot of people have it.[/QUOTE]
I'll be sharing a lot of stuff at TDD. Here, the share ratio isn't kept track of... and as a result, almost everyone leeches. There have been countless times when something was shared, and there were over 500 leeches and one or two seeders. I wish I could share here as I've been a long-time member, but 99% of the people who come to this share forum are leeches.
And then there's the old issue of stuff being converted to lossy format after it's shared. That alone is enough reason for me never to share something here. Do you honestly think I don't want to share 50 master clones and first generation copies? I'd love to! But I know for a fact they won't stay that way for long. Guaranteed, in every topic, there will be someone asking for mp3 and rapidshare. All it takes is for person who "thinks" they're being generous to do the deed, and bingo, the recording is ruined. Sorry, not a chance. I wish it wasn't so.
In fact, I would share it in a number of torrent sites, and make sure a lot of people have it.[/QUOTE]
I'll be sharing a lot of stuff at TDD. Here, the share ratio isn't kept track of... and as a result, almost everyone leeches. There have been countless times when something was shared, and there were over 500 leeches and one or two seeders. I wish I could share here as I've been a long-time member, but 99% of the people who come to this share forum are leeches.
And then there's the old issue of stuff being converted to lossy format after it's shared. That alone is enough reason for me never to share something here. Do you honestly think I don't want to share 50 master clones and first generation copies? I'd love to! But I know for a fact they won't stay that way for long. Guaranteed, in every topic, there will be someone asking for mp3 and rapidshare. All it takes is for person who "thinks" they're being generous to do the deed, and bingo, the recording is ruined. Sorry, not a chance. I wish it wasn't so.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tgunn2760 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I thought the idea of sites like this was to SHARE bootlegs of Queen. If I had good quality videos like Earl's Court, for which I am still looking, I would share it here, and not create a webpage to show what I have amassed.
In fact, I would share it in a number of torrent sites, and make sure a lot of people have it.[/QUOTE]
I'll be sharing a lot of stuff at TDD. Here, the share ratio isn't kept track of... and as a result, almost everyone leeches. There have been countless times when something was shared, and there were over 500 leeches and one or two seeders. I wish I could share here as I've been a long-time member, but 99% of the people who come to this share forum are leeches.
And then there's the old issue of stuff being converted to lossy format after it's shared. That alone is enough reason for me never to share something here. Do you honestly think I don't want to share 50 master clones and first generation copies? I'd love to! But I know for a fact they won't stay that way for long. Guaranteed, in every topic, there will be someone asking for mp3 and rapidshare. All it takes is for person who "thinks" they're being generous to do the deed, and bingo, the recording is ruined. Sorry, not a chance. I wish it wasn't so.
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Do you have to be a trader to join TDD?
I'm not one, but I do have an excellent share ratio at dime and as you know here too. My FLACs are limited though.
In fact, I would share it in a number of torrent sites, and make sure a lot of people have it.[/QUOTE]
I'll be sharing a lot of stuff at TDD. Here, the share ratio isn't kept track of... and as a result, almost everyone leeches. There have been countless times when something was shared, and there were over 500 leeches and one or two seeders. I wish I could share here as I've been a long-time member, but 99% of the people who come to this share forum are leeches.
And then there's the old issue of stuff being converted to lossy format after it's shared. That alone is enough reason for me never to share something here. Do you honestly think I don't want to share 50 master clones and first generation copies? I'd love to! But I know for a fact they won't stay that way for long. Guaranteed, in every topic, there will be someone asking for mp3 and rapidshare. All it takes is for person who "thinks" they're being generous to do the deed, and bingo, the recording is ruined. Sorry, not a chance. I wish it wasn't so.
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Do you have to be a trader to join TDD?
I'm not one, but I do have an excellent share ratio at dime and as you know here too. My FLACs are limited though.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sithmarauder wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Do you have to be a trader to join TDD?
I'm not one, but I do have an excellent share ratio at dime and as you know here too. My FLACs are limited though.[/QUOTE]
I haven't shared anything myself there, but I just seed things after I download them. My ratio is about 4:1 right now. Anyone can join.
I'm not one, but I do have an excellent share ratio at dime and as you know here too. My FLACs are limited though.[/QUOTE]
I haven't shared anything myself there, but I just seed things after I download them. My ratio is about 4:1 right now. Anyone can join.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tgunn2760 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I thought the idea of sites like this was to SHARE bootlegs of Queen. If I had good quality videos like Earl's Court, for which I am still looking, I would share it here, and not create a webpage to show what I have amassed.
In fact, I would share it in a number of torrent sites, and make sure a lot of people have it.[/QUOTE]
I'll be sharing a lot of stuff at TDD. Here, the share ratio isn't kept track of... and as a result, almost everyone leeches. There have been countless times when something was shared, and there were over 500 leeches and one or two seeders. I wish I could share here as I've been a long-time member, but 99% of the people who come to this share forum are leeches.
And then there's the old issue of stuff being converted to lossy format after it's shared. That alone is enough reason for me never to share something here. Do you honestly think I don't want to share 50 master clones and first generation copies? I'd love to! But I know for a fact they won't stay that way for long. Guaranteed, in every topic, there will be someone asking for mp3 and rapidshare. All it takes is for person who "thinks" they're being generous to do the deed, and bingo, the recording is ruined. Sorry, not a chance. I wish it wasn't so.
[/QUOTE]I have downloaded a few shows from trader's den and I'm looking forward to your posts. I will do my best to seed after I have downloaded. The only problem is that I'm only at home at the weekend , so I can't leave my computer on during the week.
In fact, I would share it in a number of torrent sites, and make sure a lot of people have it.[/QUOTE]
I'll be sharing a lot of stuff at TDD. Here, the share ratio isn't kept track of... and as a result, almost everyone leeches. There have been countless times when something was shared, and there were over 500 leeches and one or two seeders. I wish I could share here as I've been a long-time member, but 99% of the people who come to this share forum are leeches.
And then there's the old issue of stuff being converted to lossy format after it's shared. That alone is enough reason for me never to share something here. Do you honestly think I don't want to share 50 master clones and first generation copies? I'd love to! But I know for a fact they won't stay that way for long. Guaranteed, in every topic, there will be someone asking for mp3 and rapidshare. All it takes is for person who "thinks" they're being generous to do the deed, and bingo, the recording is ruined. Sorry, not a chance. I wish it wasn't so.
[/QUOTE]I have downloaded a few shows from trader's den and I'm looking forward to your posts. I will do my best to seed after I have downloaded. The only problem is that I'm only at home at the weekend , so I can't leave my computer on during the week.
I'll be sharing a lot of stuff at TDD. Here, the share ratio isn't kept track of... and as a result, almost everyone leeches. There have been countless times when something was shared, and there were over 500 leeches and one or two seeders. I wish I could share here as I've been a long-time member, but 99% of the people who come to this share forum are leeches.
And then there's the old issue of stuff being converted to lossy format after it's shared. That alone is enough reason for me never to share something here. Do you honestly think I don't want to share 50 master clones and first generation copies? I'd love to! But I know for a fact they won't stay that way for long. Guaranteed, in every topic, there will be someone asking for mp3 and rapidshare. All it takes is for person who "thinks" they're being generous to do the deed, and bingo, the recording is ruined. Sorry, not a chance. I wish it wasn't so.
Well, I'm not a "trader", so maybe this is why I don't understand the logic of all you claim.
What difference does it make to you what people do with the files after you've shared them? Did people who shared their files with you put restrictions on what you can or cannot do with them? If some want to convert them to mp3 amd burn them to CD power to them. Some will keep lossless formats, some will convert them to lossy. How will this ruin the recording? You will still have your lossless format as will some others.
And then there's the old issue of stuff being converted to lossy format after it's shared. That alone is enough reason for me never to share something here. Do you honestly think I don't want to share 50 master clones and first generation copies? I'd love to! But I know for a fact they won't stay that way for long. Guaranteed, in every topic, there will be someone asking for mp3 and rapidshare. All it takes is for person who "thinks" they're being generous to do the deed, and bingo, the recording is ruined. Sorry, not a chance. I wish it wasn't so.
Well, I'm not a "trader", so maybe this is why I don't understand the logic of all you claim.
What difference does it make to you what people do with the files after you've shared them? Did people who shared their files with you put restrictions on what you can or cannot do with them? If some want to convert them to mp3 amd burn them to CD power to them. Some will keep lossless formats, some will convert them to lossy. How will this ruin the recording? You will still have your lossless format as will some others.
If anyone is looking for Pink Floyd Roger Waters lossless video or audio recordings, here is a good site:
http://www.thepinkfloyd.co.uk
http://www.thepinkfloyd.co.uk
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]on my way up wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I have downloaded a few shows from trader's den and I'm looking forward to your posts. I will do my best to seed after I have downloaded. The only problem is that I'm only at home at the weekend , so I can't leave my computer on during the week.[/QUOTE]
But if you're only downloading on weekends too, then you can only spend the same amount of time uploading as you are downloading, right :)
But if you're only downloading on weekends too, then you can only spend the same amount of time uploading as you are downloading, right :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tgunn2760 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Well, I'm not a "trader", so maybe this is why I don't understand the logic of all you claim.
What difference does it make to you what people do with the files after you've shared them? Did people who shared their files with you put restrictions on what you can or cannot do with them? If some want to convert them to mp3 amd burn them to CD power to them. Some will keep lossless formats, some will convert them to lossy. How will this ruin the recording? You will still have your lossless format as will some others.[/QUOTE]
Think about this: People have has gone through the trouble to record a show, find the recording, and share it online. The least one can do is maintain the sound quality if they wish to spread it - and this is what FLAC is for. FLAC is like WinZip. It makes a file smaller, but it doesn't hurt the file in any way.
Encoding something to mp3 is like putting a bad spice on a food. You can't take it away. It's irreversibly damaged. The quality is worse - even if you have encoded it at 320kbps. In any decently-run trading community, there are rules forbidding mp3, or any other lossless file format. Anyone who disagrees is either forced to read up and find out why, or they simply aren't permitted to be a member of the community. Less than 0.1% of Zeppelin, Stones, Rush, AC/DC, etc. bootleg cds are lossy. I'd say it's about 30-40% for Queen. At one point, my collection was about 1/3 mp3-sourced... then I learned, and started replacing my shows.
At any decent trading website, it is a GIVEN that you don't convert a recording to mp3 and spread it. If you want to convert a file to mp3 and keep it for yourself, then that's great. But let's say someone has converted a show to mp3, burned it to cd, then traded it to a few people. Let's suppose that one or two of those people aren't aware of the mp3 vs. flac debate... so they spread it. Suddenly there are many lossy (mp3) copies and and lossless (flac/wav) copies. This is what's referred to as "polluting the trade pool".
If mp3s are not made available, this kind of thing won't happen. And if people are educated about this and know that mp3 is worse, then mp3s won't be created and spread. I have made plenty of posts about this kind of thing, and they are either going over people's heads, or they aren't bothering to take it seriously. But if Richard created a sticky in the share section, forbidding mp3s, then suddenly people would have to learn. There is no other place (that I know of) for people to find links to mp3-sourced shows. Therefore, things would change dramatically. Everyone who traded cds would learn how to check to see if a recording is lossy or lossless... and the trade pool would slowly clean up... and most importantly, people outside of the Queen trading community would start to have some respect for us... at the moment, there is none.
What difference does it make to you what people do with the files after you've shared them? Did people who shared their files with you put restrictions on what you can or cannot do with them? If some want to convert them to mp3 amd burn them to CD power to them. Some will keep lossless formats, some will convert them to lossy. How will this ruin the recording? You will still have your lossless format as will some others.[/QUOTE]
Think about this: People have has gone through the trouble to record a show, find the recording, and share it online. The least one can do is maintain the sound quality if they wish to spread it - and this is what FLAC is for. FLAC is like WinZip. It makes a file smaller, but it doesn't hurt the file in any way.
Encoding something to mp3 is like putting a bad spice on a food. You can't take it away. It's irreversibly damaged. The quality is worse - even if you have encoded it at 320kbps. In any decently-run trading community, there are rules forbidding mp3, or any other lossless file format. Anyone who disagrees is either forced to read up and find out why, or they simply aren't permitted to be a member of the community. Less than 0.1% of Zeppelin, Stones, Rush, AC/DC, etc. bootleg cds are lossy. I'd say it's about 30-40% for Queen. At one point, my collection was about 1/3 mp3-sourced... then I learned, and started replacing my shows.
At any decent trading website, it is a GIVEN that you don't convert a recording to mp3 and spread it. If you want to convert a file to mp3 and keep it for yourself, then that's great. But let's say someone has converted a show to mp3, burned it to cd, then traded it to a few people. Let's suppose that one or two of those people aren't aware of the mp3 vs. flac debate... so they spread it. Suddenly there are many lossy (mp3) copies and and lossless (flac/wav) copies. This is what's referred to as "polluting the trade pool".
If mp3s are not made available, this kind of thing won't happen. And if people are educated about this and know that mp3 is worse, then mp3s won't be created and spread. I have made plenty of posts about this kind of thing, and they are either going over people's heads, or they aren't bothering to take it seriously. But if Richard created a sticky in the share section, forbidding mp3s, then suddenly people would have to learn. There is no other place (that I know of) for people to find links to mp3-sourced shows. Therefore, things would change dramatically. Everyone who traded cds would learn how to check to see if a recording is lossy or lossless... and the trade pool would slowly clean up... and most importantly, people outside of the Queen trading community would start to have some respect for us... at the moment, there is none.