[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tgunn2760 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If Queenzone isn't up to your standards, why do you spend so much time here? There are other places where you can trade your lossless formats, the owner has not made that restriction here.[/QUOTE]
I enjoy discussions here. I also am free to express my opinion, like anyone else, when I disagree with something. But no, there are no other places that share strictly Queen material. So, this is all we've got. I'm trying to make a difference here that will benefit everyone. But at the moment, most people here have no clue of what the problems are, even though I'm spoonfeeding them with the details of the problem, and the solution!
[QUOTE]Did you stop to consider that some people just don't have to software or know-how to record lossless formats? All they know is MP3, and they want to make a CD out of a bootleg audio recording. I don't see a problem with that. Lossless fanatics like you can still keep their "quality" recordings.[/QUOTE]
You just don't get it! The fact that people here aren't educated about mp3 vs. flac means that collectors with rare recordings won't share them, out of FEAR that they will be encoded to mp3. Why can't you understand this? You said yourself you're not a collector... so maybe you should listen to a collector while he tells you the truth about the way things are.
[QUOTE]Is this really what's holding you and other "serious" traders back from sharing your collections? What about bootleg videos? Are you afraid people will download a DVD and rip it to an AVI and ruin it in the process?[/QUOTE]
Yes, exactly! We don't share here because we don't want our recordings to be converted to worse quality. Simple as that. Do you honestly think I *don't* want to share everything I have? I'd love to! But each recording I'd share is guaranteed to be ruined within a few days. All it takes is one person to ask for something to be converted to mp3 and shared on rapidshare, and then the recording is ruined. If everyone here was educated about mp3 vs. flac, then I GUARANTEE YOU... I bet my entire collection... that there would be much more sharing done... and much better quality recordings. I sure would be incredibly happy... thrilled... to share something new every week if I was COMPLETELY certain that everyone here understood that FLAC/SHN, etc. is the only way to go... not mp3... and that people would seed after they download (which generally does not happen here, since ratio isn't kept track of... but that's a whole other discussion). All it takes is for the administrator to ban mp3, and suddenly people would be forced to learn. It would take a few months... but by then, the majority would understand, and we'd be able to weed out everyone who didn't understand... because they would be in the minority... like I am right now. That alone makes Queenzone a unique place. There is no other website of this size on the Internet where people who have quality standards are in the minority.
[QUOTE]"How many new shows have been shared here, do you have any clue what might be ONE of the reasons?"
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I have NO CLUE what you are trying to say above.[/QUOTE]
He was making the observation that NO new recordings (either new shows or quality upgrades of existing shows) have been shared here lately by collectors who own them. The reason is because they're afraid they'll be converted to lossy mp3... like I said above. Most Queen collectors are also afraid to share their recordings elsewhere, because it only takes one person to convert it to mp3 and share it here, and it's ruined. Until this mentality changes, people are NOT going to be sharing quality Queen material. If you want things to be shared, you need to learn the difference between good quality and poor quality. If/when that happens, this forum will be flooded with quality shares from people like me, because we will be completely confident that th
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Sorry but your claims just do not make sense, and your arithmetic just does not add up.
Do you really expect anyone to believe that newbies will spend at least 24 hours to download a near perfect DVD, and then turn around and spend another 5 hours of their lives to convert it to avi and then share it? I don't think so.
Most likely, it is "traders" like yourself you convert lossless formats to lossy, to show what they have, in order to trade.
Your fellow "trader" The Game said a few posts earlier, that a big trader named Andy shared MP3s of rare concerts. Are we to believe that Andy does not have lossless formats, that he converted to MP3 and shared? The alternative is impossible to believe:
Andy had lossless;
Andy shared lossless;
Newbies downloaded lossless;
Newbies converted lossless to lossy;
Newbies shared lossy;
Andy downloaded lossy;
Andy shared lossy.
Do you really expect anyone to believe this?
As for your ratio at TTD, it indicates that you HIT AND RAN, and didn't have the courtesy to SEED what you downloaded.
As you are well aware, you upload as you download, and my experience tells me that I upload about 20%-40% of what I download as I am downloading. I then stop the download, switch to SEED, and upload. I keep my ratio at least 1:1. If you go to Jamtothis, you will see my ratio is 1.13.
But you didn't SEED at all, not with a ratio of 0.23.
As far as only getting 1% of your items by downloading, it is also impossible to believe. You downloaded 16 GBs from TTD. That's at least 4 DVDs. Do you mean to say that you managed to get 400 DVDs by trading those 4? I don't think so. More than half of it would have to come via downloading, and NONE of your collection originated from you. Others recorded them, and shared them either via internet or snail mail.
Do you really expect anyone to believe that newbies will spend at least 24 hours to download a near perfect DVD, and then turn around and spend another 5 hours of their lives to convert it to avi and then share it? I don't think so.
Most likely, it is "traders" like yourself you convert lossless formats to lossy, to show what they have, in order to trade.
Your fellow "trader" The Game said a few posts earlier, that a big trader named Andy shared MP3s of rare concerts. Are we to believe that Andy does not have lossless formats, that he converted to MP3 and shared? The alternative is impossible to believe:
Andy had lossless;
Andy shared lossless;
Newbies downloaded lossless;
Newbies converted lossless to lossy;
Newbies shared lossy;
Andy downloaded lossy;
Andy shared lossy.
Do you really expect anyone to believe this?
As for your ratio at TTD, it indicates that you HIT AND RAN, and didn't have the courtesy to SEED what you downloaded.
As you are well aware, you upload as you download, and my experience tells me that I upload about 20%-40% of what I download as I am downloading. I then stop the download, switch to SEED, and upload. I keep my ratio at least 1:1. If you go to Jamtothis, you will see my ratio is 1.13.
But you didn't SEED at all, not with a ratio of 0.23.
As far as only getting 1% of your items by downloading, it is also impossible to believe. You downloaded 16 GBs from TTD. That's at least 4 DVDs. Do you mean to say that you managed to get 400 DVDs by trading those 4? I don't think so. More than half of it would have to come via downloading, and NONE of your collection originated from you. Others recorded them, and shared them either via internet or snail mail.
This is an interesting and recurring topic here at QZ, and once again here is my view of it:
1 - There is nothing wrong with sharing or trading MP3 in my oppinion, as long as you who share/trade these recordings are absolutely truthfull about what you are sharing/trading. Just make sure everybody is happy with what they are getting out of the deal. I got to listen to my very first bootlegs thanks to Mr Scully and the Queenzone FTP server that used to share MP3 bootleg recordings.
2 - Traders are NOT the problem. I recently started trading for the fun of it, and since I recently started collecting lossless shows, my collection as it is is mostly downloaded from the internet (QZ, Dime, TTD, etc).
3 - Bootleg trading isn't a new thing that started when the internet became widly available. bootleg trading is as old as bootleging itself. People like Sir GH or Mr. Scully, to name but a few, have been probably trading since the days of reel-to-reel tapes, when you would meet people at concerts or fan gatherings.
4 - Using FLAC and other audio lossless formats does not imply the use of expensive software. in fact the FLAC codec, including winamp and Nero plugins can be downloaded for FREE.
In my oppinion a lot could be improved with two litle things, and this is not the first time I said it:
1 - Sharing ratio enforcement and public sharing stats.
2 - Posting rules. these could eventualy include the ban of lossy formats in the long run.
By posting rules I mean the following:
detailed information about the files posted namely:
Date of show
Venue
Quality
complete lineage whenever possible
Format used
Complete setlist/description of contents
We get a lot of posts like this:
"Queen London 1980"
and nothing else. this canot be considered as acceptable.
One other thing that can't be allowed is the re-encoding of recordings. by this I mean taking a FLAC recording, use it to burn a CD then rip it and encode to FLAC again; or take a MP3 recording burn to CD the rip it and encode to MP3 again.
The later is particulay bad because it puts the recording thru two steps of quality loss.
1 - There is nothing wrong with sharing or trading MP3 in my oppinion, as long as you who share/trade these recordings are absolutely truthfull about what you are sharing/trading. Just make sure everybody is happy with what they are getting out of the deal. I got to listen to my very first bootlegs thanks to Mr Scully and the Queenzone FTP server that used to share MP3 bootleg recordings.
2 - Traders are NOT the problem. I recently started trading for the fun of it, and since I recently started collecting lossless shows, my collection as it is is mostly downloaded from the internet (QZ, Dime, TTD, etc).
3 - Bootleg trading isn't a new thing that started when the internet became widly available. bootleg trading is as old as bootleging itself. People like Sir GH or Mr. Scully, to name but a few, have been probably trading since the days of reel-to-reel tapes, when you would meet people at concerts or fan gatherings.
4 - Using FLAC and other audio lossless formats does not imply the use of expensive software. in fact the FLAC codec, including winamp and Nero plugins can be downloaded for FREE.
In my oppinion a lot could be improved with two litle things, and this is not the first time I said it:
1 - Sharing ratio enforcement and public sharing stats.
2 - Posting rules. these could eventualy include the ban of lossy formats in the long run.
By posting rules I mean the following:
detailed information about the files posted namely:
Date of show
Venue
Quality
complete lineage whenever possible
Format used
Complete setlist/description of contents
We get a lot of posts like this:
"Queen London 1980"
and nothing else. this canot be considered as acceptable.
One other thing that can't be allowed is the re-encoding of recordings. by this I mean taking a FLAC recording, use it to burn a CD then rip it and encode to FLAC again; or take a MP3 recording burn to CD the rip it and encode to MP3 again.
The later is particulay bad because it puts the recording thru two steps of quality loss.
"by this I mean taking a FLAC recording, use it to burn a CD then rip it and encode to FLAC again"
From a quality point of view, there is nothing wrong with that particular behaviour.
From a quality point of view, there is nothing wrong with that particular behaviour.
Oh my Lord...
Another newby that doesn't know or understands the use and workings of the 'big' traders-community...
How many more times do we need to explain and defend the strategies?
It's so annoying to see people that don't know any better OR are not capable of thinking deeper then the things they see on a website but DO start judging people...
Welcome to the board!
\Stick around - read some shit. You'll learn...
Another newby that doesn't know or understands the use and workings of the 'big' traders-community...
How many more times do we need to explain and defend the strategies?
It's so annoying to see people that don't know any better OR are not capable of thinking deeper then the things they see on a website but DO start judging people...
Welcome to the board!
\Stick around - read some shit. You'll learn...
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Oh my Lord...
Another newby that doesn't know or understands the use and workings of the 'big' traders-community...
How many more times do we need to explain and defend the strategies?
It's so annoying to see people that don't know any better OR are not capable of thinking deeper then the things they see on a website but DO start judging people...
Welcome to the board!
\Stick around - read some shit. You'll learn...
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From my experience, it has been casual Queen fans who have shared most of the quality shows available on the internet. These may have come from "big traders" at one time. I don't know.
Sir GH claims that he does not share his bootlegs here because the members only leech and do not seed, while he does the exact same thing if not worse on TTD. This is called HYPOCRICY.
He claimed he only leeched but seeded afterwards, at a ratio of 4:1. His actual ratio is 0.23. This is called LYING.
If this is the way the "big traders" community functions, I will stay away from them, and people who defend them. Namely, YOU.
In case anyone is interested, two quality DVDs of Queen are being shared at TTD, "Hammersmith 1975" and "Houston 1977".
Oh my Lord...
Another newby that doesn't know or understands the use and workings of the 'big' traders-community...
How many more times do we need to explain and defend the strategies?
It's so annoying to see people that don't know any better OR are not capable of thinking deeper then the things they see on a website but DO start judging people...
Welcome to the board!
\Stick around - read some shit. You'll learn...
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From my experience, it has been casual Queen fans who have shared most of the quality shows available on the internet. These may have come from "big traders" at one time. I don't know.
Sir GH claims that he does not share his bootlegs here because the members only leech and do not seed, while he does the exact same thing if not worse on TTD. This is called HYPOCRICY.
He claimed he only leeched but seeded afterwards, at a ratio of 4:1. His actual ratio is 0.23. This is called LYING.
If this is the way the "big traders" community functions, I will stay away from them, and people who defend them. Namely, YOU.
In case anyone is interested, two quality DVDs of Queen are being shared at TTD, "Hammersmith 1975" and "Houston 1977".
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tgunn2760 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Do you really expect anyone to believe that newbies will spend at least 24 hours to download a near perfect DVD, and then turn around and spend another 5 hours of their lives to convert it to avi and then share it? I don't think so.[/QUOTE]
It's more common with audio than video, obviously. Just count the number of posts that say, "can someone convert to mp3 and upload it to rapidshare?", because they're too lazy to learn about FLAC and/or bit-torrent.
[QUOTE]Most likely, it is "traders" like yourself you convert lossless formats to lossy, to show what they have, in order to trade.[/QUOTE]
Speculation will get you nowhere. This is what people like Andy are doing. Not me. I have never in my life knowingly traded something that was mp3-sourced. A few years ago, I traded mp3-sourced material a couple times, but only because I didn't know how to check to see if a recording is lossless. I'll admit that. But there is nothing else to admit.
[QUOTE]Your fellow "trader" The Game said a few posts earlier, that a big trader named Andy shared MP3s of rare concerts. Are we to believe that Andy does not have lossless formats, that he converted to MP3 and shared?[/QUOTE]
Of course Andy has the lossless ones... they're from his old tapes. But Andy isn't a big trader, that I know of. He seems to have a few interesting things, but he's never contacted anyone I know of for a trade.
[QUOTE]As for your ratio at TTD, it indicates that you HIT AND RAN, and didn't have the courtesy to SEED what you downloaded.[/QUOTE]
I'm new to bit-torrent, and now I've finally figured out how to properly seed things after I've downloaded them. I had no intentions of pulling a "hit and run", like you suggested. I thought I was seeding, but now I know better. It was a software-learning issue. I am definitely no hypocrite. The intention was there.
[QUOTE]He claimed he only leeched but seeded afterwards, at a ratio of 4:1. His actual ratio is 0.23. This is called LYING.[/QUOTE]
No, I said 1:4. For simplicity, I rounded it up to 0.25.
0.25 : 1 is equivalent to 1:4.
1 Gb u/l for every 4 Gb d/l. This is grade 6 math.
[QUOTE]As far as only getting 1% of your items by downloading, it is also impossible to believe. You downloaded 16 GBs from TTD. That's at least 4 DVDs. Do you mean to say that you managed to get 400 DVDs by trading those 4? I don't think so. More than half of it would have to come via downloading, and NONE of your collection originated from you.[/QUOTE]
In my collection, I have about 300 DVD-Rs and 3000 CDRs, all of which were obtained by trading through the post. So yes, about 1% of my collection has been acquired by downloading. Probably less. Who made you the expert of my collection and trading history, anyway?
I really don't know why you feel the need to attack me here, but suit yourself, if this is something you feel you need to do. I'll just continue to defend myself if I must. If you want to see me as some kind of enemy, then that's your perogative.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Wilki Amieva wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"by this I mean taking a FLAC recording, use it to burn a CD then rip it and encode to FLAC again"
From a quality point of view, there is nothing wrong with that particular behaviour.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but it's still unnecessary. Burning it to cd one extra time creates the risk that digital errors could have happened.
It's more common with audio than video, obviously. Just count the number of posts that say, "can someone convert to mp3 and upload it to rapidshare?", because they're too lazy to learn about FLAC and/or bit-torrent.
[QUOTE]Most likely, it is "traders" like yourself you convert lossless formats to lossy, to show what they have, in order to trade.[/QUOTE]
Speculation will get you nowhere. This is what people like Andy are doing. Not me. I have never in my life knowingly traded something that was mp3-sourced. A few years ago, I traded mp3-sourced material a couple times, but only because I didn't know how to check to see if a recording is lossless. I'll admit that. But there is nothing else to admit.
[QUOTE]Your fellow "trader" The Game said a few posts earlier, that a big trader named Andy shared MP3s of rare concerts. Are we to believe that Andy does not have lossless formats, that he converted to MP3 and shared?[/QUOTE]
Of course Andy has the lossless ones... they're from his old tapes. But Andy isn't a big trader, that I know of. He seems to have a few interesting things, but he's never contacted anyone I know of for a trade.
[QUOTE]As for your ratio at TTD, it indicates that you HIT AND RAN, and didn't have the courtesy to SEED what you downloaded.[/QUOTE]
I'm new to bit-torrent, and now I've finally figured out how to properly seed things after I've downloaded them. I had no intentions of pulling a "hit and run", like you suggested. I thought I was seeding, but now I know better. It was a software-learning issue. I am definitely no hypocrite. The intention was there.
[QUOTE]He claimed he only leeched but seeded afterwards, at a ratio of 4:1. His actual ratio is 0.23. This is called LYING.[/QUOTE]
No, I said 1:4. For simplicity, I rounded it up to 0.25.
0.25 : 1 is equivalent to 1:4.
1 Gb u/l for every 4 Gb d/l. This is grade 6 math.
[QUOTE]As far as only getting 1% of your items by downloading, it is also impossible to believe. You downloaded 16 GBs from TTD. That's at least 4 DVDs. Do you mean to say that you managed to get 400 DVDs by trading those 4? I don't think so. More than half of it would have to come via downloading, and NONE of your collection originated from you.[/QUOTE]
In my collection, I have about 300 DVD-Rs and 3000 CDRs, all of which were obtained by trading through the post. So yes, about 1% of my collection has been acquired by downloading. Probably less. Who made you the expert of my collection and trading history, anyway?
I really don't know why you feel the need to attack me here, but suit yourself, if this is something you feel you need to do. I'll just continue to defend myself if I must. If you want to see me as some kind of enemy, then that's your perogative.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Wilki Amieva wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"by this I mean taking a FLAC recording, use it to burn a CD then rip it and encode to FLAC again"
From a quality point of view, there is nothing wrong with that particular behaviour.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but it's still unnecessary. Burning it to cd one extra time creates the risk that digital errors could have happened.
This is what you wrote in the fifth message of page two of this thread:
"I haven't shared anything myself there, but I just seed things after I download them. My ratio is about 4:1 right now. Anyone can join."
4:1 ratio is 4.00. 1:4 is 0.25. Have you taken Grade 6 math?
I am not attacking you, I have better things to do with my time. You and the Russkie made smart ass comments about the low quality of the files I attempted to share. This is all I have. And I have been trying to point out that the reason for this, is that "traders" like yourself keep the quality files out of circulation.
I also said that the casual Queen fan like myself is more likely to share his files than a collector. You sound pathological about your collection. I think you love it so much you don't want to share it with anyone. You write of a list of what I guess is supposed to be a pretty impressive inventory. Don't bother trying to impress me. To be honest, I don't know what it means. Nor do I want to know. I don't want to end up like you.
I like the first five Queen albums and JAZZ. I have the retail CDs, and I am happy with what's on them, and I don't want to know what the musician intended to put on them by collecting FLAC and SHIN. What I do want, are a few early Queen concerts. And I don't want them to build a collection, I WATCH them. After I smoke my doobies. If they were commercially available, I would buy them, and not bother with this mess. But they are not. So, I have to download them.
I thought I would be able to find them here. Obviously I was wrong, but that's OK because they do appear from time to time on JAMTOTHIS and TTD. I did manage to get a very good quality HAMMERSMITH DVD and I am now downloading HOUSTON 1977. My ratio there, BTW, is 0.58, and this while I am downloading. When I finish the download, I will seed until I reach at least 1:1.
Once again: you "traders" are the problem. Not the newbies who share lossless formats. You have become so caught up in "collecting", that you forgot what file sharing was intended for: to share the music.
"I haven't shared anything myself there, but I just seed things after I download them. My ratio is about 4:1 right now. Anyone can join."
4:1 ratio is 4.00. 1:4 is 0.25. Have you taken Grade 6 math?
I am not attacking you, I have better things to do with my time. You and the Russkie made smart ass comments about the low quality of the files I attempted to share. This is all I have. And I have been trying to point out that the reason for this, is that "traders" like yourself keep the quality files out of circulation.
I also said that the casual Queen fan like myself is more likely to share his files than a collector. You sound pathological about your collection. I think you love it so much you don't want to share it with anyone. You write of a list of what I guess is supposed to be a pretty impressive inventory. Don't bother trying to impress me. To be honest, I don't know what it means. Nor do I want to know. I don't want to end up like you.
I like the first five Queen albums and JAZZ. I have the retail CDs, and I am happy with what's on them, and I don't want to know what the musician intended to put on them by collecting FLAC and SHIN. What I do want, are a few early Queen concerts. And I don't want them to build a collection, I WATCH them. After I smoke my doobies. If they were commercially available, I would buy them, and not bother with this mess. But they are not. So, I have to download them.
I thought I would be able to find them here. Obviously I was wrong, but that's OK because they do appear from time to time on JAMTOTHIS and TTD. I did manage to get a very good quality HAMMERSMITH DVD and I am now downloading HOUSTON 1977. My ratio there, BTW, is 0.58, and this while I am downloading. When I finish the download, I will seed until I reach at least 1:1.
Once again: you "traders" are the problem. Not the newbies who share lossless formats. You have become so caught up in "collecting", that you forgot what file sharing was intended for: to share the music.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tgunn2760 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"I haven't shared anything myself there, but I just seed things after I download them. My ratio is about 4:1 right now. Anyone can join."
4:1 ratio is 4.00. 1:4 is 0.25. Have you taken Grade 6 math?[/QUOTE]
My apologies for reversing the numbers. But I also explicitly said 1Gb UL : 4Gb DL before you still chose to call me a liar anyway for good measure. You knew what I meant.
You obviously aren't a collector. You are ignorant of the workings of the collecting world - but I realize you aren't required to be otherwise. It is not simply a matter of sharing one's collection, and calling it a day. For someone who isn't interested in any most bootleg recordings, you sure have a lot to say on the topic.
You are the umpteenth person to come here and speak about collecting as if you're the expert, and can determine what collectors should do with their recordings. The truth of the matter is, we are the ones who provide the recordings in the first place. We are not the problem at all. Without us, 99% of QZ's shares wouldn't be here, mp3 or otherwise. If people are happy with mp3, then so be it. But if they want the better recordings, then they are welcome to start collecting. To each their own. For now, this is the way it works here. In trading communities with quality standards, the average person understands that lossless is best. Here, to most, mp3 is best. If this changes, then maybe some collectors will change too.
4:1 ratio is 4.00. 1:4 is 0.25. Have you taken Grade 6 math?[/QUOTE]
My apologies for reversing the numbers. But I also explicitly said 1Gb UL : 4Gb DL before you still chose to call me a liar anyway for good measure. You knew what I meant.
You obviously aren't a collector. You are ignorant of the workings of the collecting world - but I realize you aren't required to be otherwise. It is not simply a matter of sharing one's collection, and calling it a day. For someone who isn't interested in any most bootleg recordings, you sure have a lot to say on the topic.
You are the umpteenth person to come here and speak about collecting as if you're the expert, and can determine what collectors should do with their recordings. The truth of the matter is, we are the ones who provide the recordings in the first place. We are not the problem at all. Without us, 99% of QZ's shares wouldn't be here, mp3 or otherwise. If people are happy with mp3, then so be it. But if they want the better recordings, then they are welcome to start collecting. To each their own. For now, this is the way it works here. In trading communities with quality standards, the average person understands that lossless is best. Here, to most, mp3 is best. If this changes, then maybe some collectors will change too.
"My apologies for reversing the numbers. But I also explicitly said 1Gb UL : 4Gb DL before you still chose to call me a liar anyway for good measure. You knew what I meant"
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Sorry. You said the above AFTER I posted your ratio from TTD. You had initially claimed your ratio was 4:1, not 0.25
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"You are the umpteenth person to come here and speak about collecting as if you're the expert, and can determine what collectors should do with their recordings. The truth of the matter is, we are the ones who provide the recordings in the first place. We are not the problem at all. Without us, 99% of QZ's shares wouldn't be here, mp3 or otherwise"
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YES! People like me come to this site to find bootleg recording of Queen. This is what the site was intended for.
What has happened, though, is that we have become frustrated because "collectors" like you "stash" the recordings and keep them from circulating for one reason or another.
"Collectors" like you may have 99% of Queen bootlegs in your collections, but I am confident that all of you put together are responsible for recording a very small percentage of these bootlegs. OTHERS did the work and shared them with you, but you and other "collectors" like you have gone and taken them OUT of circulation.
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Sorry. You said the above AFTER I posted your ratio from TTD. You had initially claimed your ratio was 4:1, not 0.25
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"You are the umpteenth person to come here and speak about collecting as if you're the expert, and can determine what collectors should do with their recordings. The truth of the matter is, we are the ones who provide the recordings in the first place. We are not the problem at all. Without us, 99% of QZ's shares wouldn't be here, mp3 or otherwise"
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YES! People like me come to this site to find bootleg recording of Queen. This is what the site was intended for.
What has happened, though, is that we have become frustrated because "collectors" like you "stash" the recordings and keep them from circulating for one reason or another.
"Collectors" like you may have 99% of Queen bootlegs in your collections, but I am confident that all of you put together are responsible for recording a very small percentage of these bootlegs. OTHERS did the work and shared them with you, but you and other "collectors" like you have gone and taken them OUT of circulation.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tgunn2760 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"Collectors" like you may have 99% of Queen bootlegs in your collections, but I am confident that all of you put together are responsible for recording a very small percentage of these bootlegs. OTHERS did the work and shared them with you, but you and other "collectors" like you have gone and taken them OUT of circulation.[/QUOTE]
No... I've done plenty of work. Sometimes it takes weeks or even months to make an agreement with someone for a particular recording. Without that effort, many of the recordings that have been seeded here wouldn't have been here at all. Also, I've sat at the computer for hours at a time combining sources, or synching better audio to a video. I don't think any of these mp3-sharers have done anything of the kind.
It's impossible to take a recording "out of circulation", as you claim. If a recording was circulating enough, then it would continue to circulate, as one or two collectors wouldn't hurt that process. Give me an example of a recording which you feel doesn't circulate enough, and if I'll give you the full story about it if I can.
Did you see the "Freezer's Revenge" topic at TTD? Go there and tell them to stop hoarding their stuff, and see what they say. They probably wouldn't even give you the time of day because they've been dealing with people like you for decades who just have no clue of how the collecting world works. The Led Zeppelin New Orleans 73 audience recording got out only by sheer luck, and a hell of a lot of backstabbing in the process. I've been trading my recordings for years, and never completely hoarded anything. Those guys have been hanging onto their things for 30+ years without trading them even once... just bragging that they have them. In the Zeppelin community, there have been times where people come across the country to fight over a recording, and there have even been death threats. Queen collectors do nothing of the kind. People like me are far from being any kind of a problem.
If you or anyone would like to have any of my recordings which you don't believe are available elsewhere, then you're more than welcome to contact me for a trade. I will never turn down a trade if I'm offered the right thing. You can't say the same for a lot of these hardcore Zeppelin/Stones/Floyd/Who/Sabbath fanatics.
No... I've done plenty of work. Sometimes it takes weeks or even months to make an agreement with someone for a particular recording. Without that effort, many of the recordings that have been seeded here wouldn't have been here at all. Also, I've sat at the computer for hours at a time combining sources, or synching better audio to a video. I don't think any of these mp3-sharers have done anything of the kind.
It's impossible to take a recording "out of circulation", as you claim. If a recording was circulating enough, then it would continue to circulate, as one or two collectors wouldn't hurt that process. Give me an example of a recording which you feel doesn't circulate enough, and if I'll give you the full story about it if I can.
Did you see the "Freezer's Revenge" topic at TTD? Go there and tell them to stop hoarding their stuff, and see what they say. They probably wouldn't even give you the time of day because they've been dealing with people like you for decades who just have no clue of how the collecting world works. The Led Zeppelin New Orleans 73 audience recording got out only by sheer luck, and a hell of a lot of backstabbing in the process. I've been trading my recordings for years, and never completely hoarded anything. Those guys have been hanging onto their things for 30+ years without trading them even once... just bragging that they have them. In the Zeppelin community, there have been times where people come across the country to fight over a recording, and there have even been death threats. Queen collectors do nothing of the kind. People like me are far from being any kind of a problem.
If you or anyone would like to have any of my recordings which you don't believe are available elsewhere, then you're more than welcome to contact me for a trade. I will never turn down a trade if I'm offered the right thing. You can't say the same for a lot of these hardcore Zeppelin/Stones/Floyd/Who/Sabbath fanatics.
There is no point in carrying this any further, you are so caught up in the "trader" mentality that no matter what I or anyone else says you are incapable of seeing the point.
You were at TTD, and you downloaded some files. You replied to one Queen topic, I don't know if you downloaded either of the two, Hammersmith or Houston. On one of those threads, a number of people requested the Earl's Court DVD, which you claim to have, and in excellent quality.
If you did not have the "trader" mentality, you would have replied and said " I have it, and I will post it". But you don't behave in that manner. You leech,and hold on to your files. If I had the Earl's Court DVD, it would have been up at TTD already.
I have seen this DVD before, BTW, but not lately. You say you have it. You are not sharing it, when people in TTD requested it. TTD only allows lossless formats, yet you won't even post it there. How can you claim that "traders" are not keeping files from circulating?
BTW, my ratio is almost up to 1:1, after downloading only one file. I will seed until others complete their downloads. It's only common courtesy.
As for trading, I don't have much to trade. I only download what I think is worth watching, I don't "collect". I have Hammersmith, and now Houston of Queen bootlegs. The only other one I am looking for is Earl's Court, and if a better quality video of Houston is available, I would surely try to get that.
On a different note: Whoever said that Houston was the Holy Grail of Queen bootlegs appears to be right. The first half of the concert I have seen so far is awesome. And the audio is stereo AC3 and sounds great.
I have some questions regarding this bootleg, if anyone can answer them: I read the source for the Houston DVD was a VHS rip. Does anyone know if it was from a Japanese TV program, what format it was, avi or mpeg, and if that source file exists or is available?
Thanks in advance.
You were at TTD, and you downloaded some files. You replied to one Queen topic, I don't know if you downloaded either of the two, Hammersmith or Houston. On one of those threads, a number of people requested the Earl's Court DVD, which you claim to have, and in excellent quality.
If you did not have the "trader" mentality, you would have replied and said " I have it, and I will post it". But you don't behave in that manner. You leech,and hold on to your files. If I had the Earl's Court DVD, it would have been up at TTD already.
I have seen this DVD before, BTW, but not lately. You say you have it. You are not sharing it, when people in TTD requested it. TTD only allows lossless formats, yet you won't even post it there. How can you claim that "traders" are not keeping files from circulating?
BTW, my ratio is almost up to 1:1, after downloading only one file. I will seed until others complete their downloads. It's only common courtesy.
As for trading, I don't have much to trade. I only download what I think is worth watching, I don't "collect". I have Hammersmith, and now Houston of Queen bootlegs. The only other one I am looking for is Earl's Court, and if a better quality video of Houston is available, I would surely try to get that.
On a different note: Whoever said that Houston was the Holy Grail of Queen bootlegs appears to be right. The first half of the concert I have seen so far is awesome. And the audio is stereo AC3 and sounds great.
I have some questions regarding this bootleg, if anyone can answer them: I read the source for the Houston DVD was a VHS rip. Does anyone know if it was from a Japanese TV program, what format it was, avi or mpeg, and if that source file exists or is available?
Thanks in advance.
One more thing: it may be too late to share the Earl's Court bootleg already. This from TTD:
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The Earls Court show would be a nice post. You can get it in Frankenshow form over at DIME... (as much as I love Dime, their policies are killing shows).
There is a 10 second snippet of a song on Queen Rare Live, by far the worst video release from a band in the history of music. Because the song was "officially released" it had to be deleted from the torrent at Dime"
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The Earls Court show would be a nice post. You can get it in Frankenshow form over at DIME... (as much as I love Dime, their policies are killing shows).
There is a 10 second snippet of a song on Queen Rare Live, by far the worst video release from a band in the history of music. Because the song was "officially released" it had to be deleted from the torrent at Dime"
What is this "trader mentality" you're talking about? You make it sound like trading a recording is a bad thing.
Get this thru your THICK scull. TRADING AND COLLECTING ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.
Trading and collecting are the reason you are even able to get Queen bootlegs for download in ANY format.
If it wasn't for the efforts of dedicated Queen collectors and traders many of the recordings available today in digital suport (CD/DVD) would have probably been lost over the years.
It was by trading cassete tapes that most of these recordings first started to circulate, others by bootleg label releases in vynil or cassete.
Yes, the first queen bootlegs available for download where MP3 and they where made available by traders and collectors that felt more people should have access to them, and saw MP3 as a quick way to achieve this.
What they never expected was for people to see this as a way of getting in the trading comunity and for those early MP3 gigs to start entering the trading pool.
This needs to be stoped, and thankfully there are people that understand this and strugle to preserve the quality of the recordings.
What you call staching, I call preserving. If all the recordings where released soon whe would have a flood of multiple gen MP3 encodings.
And yes MP3 degrades the sound quality. I first noticed this when I listened to an encoding of a South America gig and noticed there where bits of time you couln't ear ANYTHING, not even the tape hiss. I still have the show, I may be able to tel wich it is. And I didn't have a fancy expensive stereo sistem.
You see, in order to compress the audio, the MP3 codec looses what it percieves to be unnecessary. In studio or high quality recordings this is hard to notice, but in bootleg recordings it is often blatant obvious. Now multiply this for N reencodings and you can begin to see the problem.
From reading your posts I can see that you have absolutely no idea how hard it is sometimes secure a trade, or what kind of work goes in to finding new recordings/sources.
You also seem to believe that collectors and traders are a new thing when in fact most of these people where arround collecting and trading probably before you where born.
My advice get all your information together before throwing away acusations.
Remember this, for you to have access to Queen bootlegs, someone recorded them, they where either traded as tapes or released by a bootleg label, people collected them and preserved them, then someone transferd them to digital format, edited and often enhanced it and made it available to you.
From my point of view you how the Queen trading and collecting comunity a huge big thanks. I know I do.
Sir GH you are NOT ALONE.
Get this thru your THICK scull. TRADING AND COLLECTING ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.
Trading and collecting are the reason you are even able to get Queen bootlegs for download in ANY format.
If it wasn't for the efforts of dedicated Queen collectors and traders many of the recordings available today in digital suport (CD/DVD) would have probably been lost over the years.
It was by trading cassete tapes that most of these recordings first started to circulate, others by bootleg label releases in vynil or cassete.
Yes, the first queen bootlegs available for download where MP3 and they where made available by traders and collectors that felt more people should have access to them, and saw MP3 as a quick way to achieve this.
What they never expected was for people to see this as a way of getting in the trading comunity and for those early MP3 gigs to start entering the trading pool.
This needs to be stoped, and thankfully there are people that understand this and strugle to preserve the quality of the recordings.
What you call staching, I call preserving. If all the recordings where released soon whe would have a flood of multiple gen MP3 encodings.
And yes MP3 degrades the sound quality. I first noticed this when I listened to an encoding of a South America gig and noticed there where bits of time you couln't ear ANYTHING, not even the tape hiss. I still have the show, I may be able to tel wich it is. And I didn't have a fancy expensive stereo sistem.
You see, in order to compress the audio, the MP3 codec looses what it percieves to be unnecessary. In studio or high quality recordings this is hard to notice, but in bootleg recordings it is often blatant obvious. Now multiply this for N reencodings and you can begin to see the problem.
From reading your posts I can see that you have absolutely no idea how hard it is sometimes secure a trade, or what kind of work goes in to finding new recordings/sources.
You also seem to believe that collectors and traders are a new thing when in fact most of these people where arround collecting and trading probably before you where born.
My advice get all your information together before throwing away acusations.
Remember this, for you to have access to Queen bootlegs, someone recorded them, they where either traded as tapes or released by a bootleg label, people collected them and preserved them, then someone transferd them to digital format, edited and often enhanced it and made it available to you.
From my point of view you how the Queen trading and collecting comunity a huge big thanks. I know I do.
Sir GH you are NOT ALONE.
*applauds*
Pfew... finally someone that spoke the wise words I did not feel like posting myself again for the zillionth time.
I wonder though if this will make m get it...
Pfew... finally someone that spoke the wise words I did not feel like posting myself again for the zillionth time.
I wonder though if this will make m get it...