"Sorry for the Flac Nazi image, I won't call that stupid but I know some will do it. The IDEA behind that is far from stupid. Just excuse him and remember that some of the world political leaders or major businessmen had trouble with bad communication and so on. Excuse him and see the idea behind, that's the important point, don't deviate from this. If you missed the point, well just read the lasts posts in this thread and in other recent ones too. And in other less recent ones. And... Well I think you got the point now !"
Who misses the point? You seem to be a reasonable person, Olivier, so please think for a moment.
This website is owned by Richard. Just imagine for a moment that he could delete it with one click on his PC. He has run this website for many years and he is the most generous person in terms of letting people express their opinion without interfering. He has made this sharing forum possible and with the help of many generous fans we have shared tons of files here over the years.
Who are you or Bob or the other person to start this flaming war about which files can be shared and which cannot be shared when the only rule Richard has set up is: no official material can be shared.
There is no rule on Queenzone forbidding to share .mp3, .wmv, .flv or any other lossy files.
It's okay to ask people not to spread lossy files when you share a flac concert and most people respect this wish. It's not okay to attack people who offer mp3 files, it's not okay to post Nazi language because it's not funny. It causes anguish to many people who have suffered under the Nazis. It's also not okay to do this on another person's website, a guy who has been nothing but nice and generous. Although often dissed by users, QZ is still a respected website and it's definitely not okay to make it look like the home of Nazis or to make the casual visitor think it's the usual style of a Queen fan website. I am sure Bob would not want his bosses to think he endorses posts ending with "heil".
It's everybody's free choice to open their own sharing site, to take the legal risk being targeted by record companies and and to set up their own rules.
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I agree with you on some points. I think we so-called "Defenders Of the Flac Format" (the DOFFs ?) are quite clever to know that mp3 is good for USE, we just don't agree with mp3 for SHARE. I understand than some people here, or the casual visitor, may find the Flac format a little complicated to understand, or to install or whatever, and so don't want to spend some time he think useless to see what is this Flac thing. Or he only uses mp3 material for his own use on its mp3 player, if I had one I surely would do it (and I would keep my Flac files aside on my hard drive for example). So I don't think anybody has something against the mp3 thing. I myself used to buy a lot of these, and even built a quite impressive Deep Purple collection with this format. But I will never copy these mp3 to send to someone for its Deep Purple collection, nor would I ask him to pay for that.
Secundly, if I share something quite precious has a non-official recording (you know that's the thing that makes you feel like you could go further and discover such things different from the "official" side of a band, and when you say "damn, is it possible that someone singing "Radio Ga Ga" could sing things like "Yellow Breezes" and a lot of more rare tracks ?" or more recently "Wow ! Brian May was quite impressive on disc, it's really cool to hear him play "Purple Haze" on a pre-Queen band !!"). I was waying if I share something precious, I respect the initial work, of the artists, of the tapers, of those who upgraded the recordings etc... and I don't see why I would convert it to a lossy format before sending it anyone else. The only thing I see there is that I don't pay respect to the "before" part (the artists, the tapers, the other ones involved, those who gave me the recording), ans to the "after" part (the one I'm giving an altered recording, even if it is not that noticeable for most of them, it is altered and we can't go back, and to the other ones we wil lgive the recording). This is seen as a spreading disease for some of us, it is more that the Flac files are more difficult to find if the mp3 is more accessible, you know? If there is 95% of the gigs shared in mp3, then only 5% of the concerts on offer are lossless, and then it takes so long time to find them, that people forget that and continue to spread mp3 files, convert them, re-convert them, share, and keep spreading music that finally is altered for good. That's not respect, respect means taking care of the music that is given to us, and let the music the more available and the unaltered for the followers. In ten years, what would be queen concerts from the 70s if there was no Flac format ? I really don't know.
You understand my point of view ? I think Bob and co are thinking about the same thing.
That was just to clarify my position.
as far as Queenzone is concerned, it was created a long time ago, thanks a lot Richard for that, a true genious you are ! So at the time the mp3 and Flac differences were not known, the main goal of the board was to discuss I think, and then it became a website more known for the sharing side. It grew a lot, and now we are a lot to benefit from it. With all our differences. Queenzone is THE website for Queen lovers as it is seen from the "outside world". We have to keep connected with it, as Bob said once, some Led Zep collectors could very well have Queen rare tracks with them, as Guns N'Roses fans, and so on. And they are some of an example, even if there is no standard. Sex Pistols fans may very well use only mp3, I don't really know !
That's because Queenzone is a reference that it has to be used like that. A reference for the sharing activity. But if it is something negative, such as nasty words and so on, then it is looked negatively. Hence the fact that some rules had to be set up. Thankfully, Richard was clever enough to make those rules the s
Secundly, if I share something quite precious has a non-official recording (you know that's the thing that makes you feel like you could go further and discover such things different from the "official" side of a band, and when you say "damn, is it possible that someone singing "Radio Ga Ga" could sing things like "Yellow Breezes" and a lot of more rare tracks ?" or more recently "Wow ! Brian May was quite impressive on disc, it's really cool to hear him play "Purple Haze" on a pre-Queen band !!"). I was waying if I share something precious, I respect the initial work, of the artists, of the tapers, of those who upgraded the recordings etc... and I don't see why I would convert it to a lossy format before sending it anyone else. The only thing I see there is that I don't pay respect to the "before" part (the artists, the tapers, the other ones involved, those who gave me the recording), ans to the "after" part (the one I'm giving an altered recording, even if it is not that noticeable for most of them, it is altered and we can't go back, and to the other ones we wil lgive the recording). This is seen as a spreading disease for some of us, it is more that the Flac files are more difficult to find if the mp3 is more accessible, you know? If there is 95% of the gigs shared in mp3, then only 5% of the concerts on offer are lossless, and then it takes so long time to find them, that people forget that and continue to spread mp3 files, convert them, re-convert them, share, and keep spreading music that finally is altered for good. That's not respect, respect means taking care of the music that is given to us, and let the music the more available and the unaltered for the followers. In ten years, what would be queen concerts from the 70s if there was no Flac format ? I really don't know.
You understand my point of view ? I think Bob and co are thinking about the same thing.
That was just to clarify my position.
as far as Queenzone is concerned, it was created a long time ago, thanks a lot Richard for that, a true genious you are ! So at the time the mp3 and Flac differences were not known, the main goal of the board was to discuss I think, and then it became a website more known for the sharing side. It grew a lot, and now we are a lot to benefit from it. With all our differences. Queenzone is THE website for Queen lovers as it is seen from the "outside world". We have to keep connected with it, as Bob said once, some Led Zep collectors could very well have Queen rare tracks with them, as Guns N'Roses fans, and so on. And they are some of an example, even if there is no standard. Sex Pistols fans may very well use only mp3, I don't really know !
That's because Queenzone is a reference that it has to be used like that. A reference for the sharing activity. But if it is something negative, such as nasty words and so on, then it is looked negatively. Hence the fact that some rules had to be set up. Thankfully, Richard was clever enough to make those rules the s
Olivier - I think we all know what the flac/mp3 discussion is about. At the risk to repeat myself:
The old Queenzone server was for mp3 because at the time it was the only "shareable" format from an ftp server. I don't think I even knew about flac files in 2001.
The tracker was introduced in 2004 and was originally meant for flac files but there was never a mandatory rule that files must be flac. Richard also never had anything against posting rapidshare links or any other sharing link. He always supported the hub whose owner is also very tolerant.
It's about the way we treat each other. Many new concerts were shared on Queenzone first - and in good quality, too. If people offer advice to other users to give up on mp3 sharing - that's okay. However, it's not okay to attack people and it's definitely not okay to let things escalate like they do in this thread.
The old Queenzone server was for mp3 because at the time it was the only "shareable" format from an ftp server. I don't think I even knew about flac files in 2001.
The tracker was introduced in 2004 and was originally meant for flac files but there was never a mandatory rule that files must be flac. Richard also never had anything against posting rapidshare links or any other sharing link. He always supported the hub whose owner is also very tolerant.
It's about the way we treat each other. Many new concerts were shared on Queenzone first - and in good quality, too. If people offer advice to other users to give up on mp3 sharing - that's okay. However, it's not okay to attack people and it's definitely not okay to let things escalate like they do in this thread.
I agree with you, it is not a matter of attacking people, it is right (well it can be different for other queenzoners but I don't care). I think we can talk as gentlemen and not talk or behave badly. But now that's said, please don't stay on this Nazi thing, please consider it is only history, ok, and then let's everybody discuss freely and correctly. Ah, too much pressure I think !!! Maybe a little tired or something, he didn't realize ! Hope he will apologize for this tomorrow after a good night ;o). The same can be said also on other threads I think, it's inherent to a forum, it happens sometimes. We just have to be conscious of that and without giving excuses to that type of behaviour, just try our best so that is not becoming an habit to see that kind of thing !
Once again, all was going from ideas, it was not made just to annoy everyone of us, but to explain a point of view in a way, but it was somewhat extreme here. Bad way to do, I recognize !!
Just keep being polite, as I do and you too, people are more beautiful when they smile and talk correctly...
Once again, all was going from ideas, it was not made just to annoy everyone of us, but to explain a point of view in a way, but it was somewhat extreme here. Bad way to do, I recognize !!
Just keep being polite, as I do and you too, people are more beautiful when they smile and talk correctly...
It's unbelievable this discussion is still on.
Several people made clear what is better about lossless. All good reasons to change this place were given. We could make it a true Queen collecting community. But I get the impression there are some people who just don't want to take their collecting activities to a more serious level. That's a pitty and the fact that serious collectors have to suffer is a shame.
Several people made clear what is better about lossless. All good reasons to change this place were given. We could make it a true Queen collecting community. But I get the impression there are some people who just don't want to take their collecting activities to a more serious level. That's a pitty and the fact that serious collectors have to suffer is a shame.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]There is no rule on Queenzone forbidding to share .mp3, .wmv, .flv or any other lossy files.
It's okay to ask people not to spread lossy files when you share a flac concert and most people respect this wish. It's not okay to attack people who offer mp3 files[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I completely disagree. The rules of this forum are stuck in the year 2000, when mp3 was a convenient format to send over dial-up internet. Things have changed. We are in the year 2007, when 99% of us have high speed internet connections and big hard drives. We should be sharing files without quality loss, and not catering to the wants (not "needs") of a few.
[QUOTE]it's not okay to post Nazi language because it's not funny. It causes anguish to many people who have suffered under the Nazis.[/QUOTE]
Joe was obviously joking. I hope you're criticizing Gym Bitch for starting it, not Joe for using hyperbole.
[QUOTE]It's about the way we treat each other.[/QUOTE]
Right. And Gym Bitch is treating everyone perfectly nicely with positive intentions, right? Why isn't it okay for me to be vocal in wanting what's best for the majority of people in this community, yet it's okay for him to purposely try to make it worse for them? Who's side are you on?
It's okay to ask people not to spread lossy files when you share a flac concert and most people respect this wish. It's not okay to attack people who offer mp3 files[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I completely disagree. The rules of this forum are stuck in the year 2000, when mp3 was a convenient format to send over dial-up internet. Things have changed. We are in the year 2007, when 99% of us have high speed internet connections and big hard drives. We should be sharing files without quality loss, and not catering to the wants (not "needs") of a few.
[QUOTE]it's not okay to post Nazi language because it's not funny. It causes anguish to many people who have suffered under the Nazis.[/QUOTE]
Joe was obviously joking. I hope you're criticizing Gym Bitch for starting it, not Joe for using hyperbole.
[QUOTE]It's about the way we treat each other.[/QUOTE]
Right. And Gym Bitch is treating everyone perfectly nicely with positive intentions, right? Why isn't it okay for me to be vocal in wanting what's best for the majority of people in this community, yet it's okay for him to purposely try to make it worse for them? Who's side are you on?
Just so you all know, I didn't start the Nazi propaganda, it was started over a year before I joined QZ.
Secondly to Your Valentine:
I know god damn well about the holocaust, a great uncle of mine was killed in the holocaust, so don't treat me like an ignorant kid all right?
So it's not OK if I defend myself through ironic statements and satire when I am called a Nazi, yet when Mike Van originated the thread over a year ago, you didn't say a damn thing? So why don't you fuck off!
I know god damn well about the holocaust, a great uncle of mine was killed in the holocaust, so don't treat me like an ignorant kid all right?
So it's not OK if I defend myself through ironic statements and satire when I am called a Nazi, yet when Mike Van originated the thread over a year ago, you didn't say a damn thing? So why don't you fuck off!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Nummer2 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Joe, Bob, I know what irony is. I even confess that I smiled for a second about the profile image. But please, let's not make fun of something as trivial as a file format by using symbols or terms on whose behalf more than 6,000,000 people were killed and much more traumatized – till today.
Lets call the one group sophisticated or altruistic and the other one lazy and ignorant, but "nazis", "eradication" or "heil" doesn't fit. [/QUOTE]
Agreed, let us now stop all the nazi comparisons and I will take down the picture.
Still, I didn't start this!
Lets call the one group sophisticated or altruistic and the other one lazy and ignorant, but "nazis", "eradication" or "heil" doesn't fit. [/QUOTE]
Agreed, let us now stop all the nazi comparisons and I will take down the picture.
Still, I didn't start this!
Thanks Joe, stop this now, it was going a little too far, even if you were not the one who started the comparison.
We all know the ideas behind that, let's talk about that and not giving anyone else reasons to hate you, or finding something else in your talking than your real ideas about that.
Sorry for your grand-father, some of my family was there too. Well, that's said. Done. What else? Oh, yes ! we were talking about Flac !
Don't lose track.
;o)
Olivier,
France.
We all know the ideas behind that, let's talk about that and not giving anyone else reasons to hate you, or finding something else in your talking than your real ideas about that.
Sorry for your grand-father, some of my family was there too. Well, that's said. Done. What else? Oh, yes ! we were talking about Flac !
Don't lose track.
;o)
Olivier,
France.
Thank you, josedequeso I appreciate it (I don't appreciate the "fuck off", though :). I did not see Gym Bitch's post and I wasn't aware he was Mike. I don't know what Nazi propaganda you are referring to, I went back in this thread and I did not find any posts by Mike
Anyway, I would like to solve the situation but I do not know how. In the mean time I saw the Cologne thread and I agree that it's a provocation by Mike to annoy Bob. I cannot delete the thread due to the rules set out by Richard but I'll ask Mike to remove the link as a favour to keep the peace on this board.
This is not a good day for Queenzone.
Anyway, I would like to solve the situation but I do not know how. In the mean time I saw the Cologne thread and I agree that it's a provocation by Mike to annoy Bob. I cannot delete the thread due to the rules set out by Richard but I'll ask Mike to remove the link as a favour to keep the peace on this board.
This is not a good day for Queenzone.
Check out this thread originated over a year ago: http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=891015
And thanks to you ruth.olivier. The holocaust was in my opinion the single worst tragedy in human history, it caused my family and countless others many hardships. I know from first hand accounts the tragedies and the story of how my family fled Poland at the start of the war.
And thanks to you ruth.olivier. The holocaust was in my opinion the single worst tragedy in human history, it caused my family and countless others many hardships. I know from first hand accounts the tragedies and the story of how my family fled Poland at the start of the war.
Thanks a lot, because it was becoming funky right here. 't was a little more disco on the Cologne MP3 thread anyway.
Nice move from Joe to stop this, and recognize it was a little too much. It was the best thing to do.
Now, kill Gym Bitch. Oops sorry! just joking! I meant, prevent him doing that thing, no excuses if he does not want to. Anyway he'll probably be back with some good joke with another name.
Not ready for the next laugh anyway.
Olivier,
France.
Nice move from Joe to stop this, and recognize it was a little too much. It was the best thing to do.
Now, kill Gym Bitch. Oops sorry! just joking! I meant, prevent him doing that thing, no excuses if he does not want to. Anyway he'll probably be back with some good joke with another name.
Not ready for the next laugh anyway.
Olivier,
France.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Thank you, josedequeso I appreciate it (I don't appreciate the "fuck off", though :). I did not see Gym Bitch's post and I wasn't aware he was Mike. I don't know what Nazi propaganda you are referring to, I went back in this thread and I did not find any posts by Mike
Anyway, I would like to solve the situation but I do not know how. In the mean time I saw the Cologne thread and I agree that it's a provocation by Mike to annoy Bob. I cannot delete the thread due to the rules set out by Richard but I'll ask Mike to remove the link as a favour to keep the peace on this board.
This is not a good day for Queenzone.[/QUOTE]
Indeed not.
Thanks for making the effort. Much appreciated.
Anyway, I would like to solve the situation but I do not know how. In the mean time I saw the Cologne thread and I agree that it's a provocation by Mike to annoy Bob. I cannot delete the thread due to the rules set out by Richard but I'll ask Mike to remove the link as a favour to keep the peace on this board.
This is not a good day for Queenzone.[/QUOTE]
Indeed not.
Thanks for making the effort. Much appreciated.
Bob, who are the "European collectors" who place restrictions on the records? I'd be curious to know. For example if we speak about my Queen live recordings, the only restrictions (I can think of) were set by Mariano Bryner (Drammen + Offenbach I think) and a Japanese collector (Yamaguchi). That's 1x South America and 1x Asia ;-) There may be more "restricted" recordings in my collection (I don't remember - I don't really trade anymore these days) but I don't think any of those restrictions were set by a European trader.
(Of course, those various WWRY afterparties and other special events are unfortunately a different issue).
Also, I think it's definitely not true that the US tapers don't share because of the MP3 community. If they post torrents on Dime, it's because they're not aware of QueenZone. For example I have recorded Deep Purple in Prague. I just gave the recording to some Czech DP fans and didn't really care about it but if I wanted to post it online myself, I wouldn't bother to search for a DP website, I would post on Dime too (and I wouldn't give a damn if anybody converts it to MP3 or not).
(Of course, those various WWRY afterparties and other special events are unfortunately a different issue).
Also, I think it's definitely not true that the US tapers don't share because of the MP3 community. If they post torrents on Dime, it's because they're not aware of QueenZone. For example I have recorded Deep Purple in Prague. I just gave the recording to some Czech DP fans and didn't really care about it but if I wanted to post it online myself, I wouldn't bother to search for a DP website, I would post on Dime too (and I wouldn't give a damn if anybody converts it to MP3 or not).