..but I can quite believe that Greg had no "right" to insist on the rewrite, and that it was entirely down to the publishers that the investment wasn't made.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Penetration_Guru wrote: [/QUOTENAME]..but I can quite believe that Greg had no "right" to insist on the rewrite, and that it was entirely down to the publishers that the investment wasn't made.[/QUOTE]
That's a good point, but I didn't mean to imply that Greg insisted on republishing the book - generally, the author has no say in when a book is going to be revisited and is at the mercy of the publisher.
I guess I just find it strange that a publisher would be willing to allow the same errors to be published, despite Greg alerting them to the corrections. I don't understand where the extra cost would come from; considering the book was a new template anyway, with a smaller font, yet still using most of the same pictures from the previous edition, the only notable changes were to be made in the text, which were no doubt written in Microsoft Word - the new text would just need to be reflowed into a new template, and if it ran considerably over the target page count, then some of the lengthier sections would merely need to be edited (or the page count would need to be increased).
I work at a medical publishing company myself, and if any errors were found (or made) in the first edition of a book, or if new information is given, then the second edition is meticulous in pointing out the corrections / additions. I don't expect every publishing company to be the same, but it certainly can't be that bad at Omnibus Press that the money couldn't have been ponied up for a corrected book?
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That's a good point, but I didn't mean to imply that Greg insisted on republishing the book - generally, the author has no say in when a book is going to be revisited and is at the mercy of the publisher.
I guess I just find it strange that a publisher would be willing to allow the same errors to be published, despite Greg alerting them to the corrections. I don't understand where the extra cost would come from; considering the book was a new template anyway, with a smaller font, yet still using most of the same pictures from the previous edition, the only notable changes were to be made in the text, which were no doubt written in Microsoft Word - the new text would just need to be reflowed into a new template, and if it ran considerably over the target page count, then some of the lengthier sections would merely need to be edited (or the page count would need to be increased).
I work at a medical publishing company myself, and if any errors were found (or made) in the first edition of a book, or if new information is given, then the second edition is meticulous in pointing out the corrections / additions. I don't expect every publishing company to be the same, but it certainly can't be that bad at Omnibus Press that the money couldn't have been ponied up for a corrected book?
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Togg wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Greg that is total nonesense.
Firstly as the author of your book you should have simply not sent it to press with so many errors in the first edition, poor work very poor.
Secondly, of course it's your decision as to what goes out in the second, that is bull. You and only you are responsible for the copy, if you are happy with a book being on shelf that contains so many errors that the publisher says it needs a re-design!!! then you care nothing for your work.
I have been involved in publishing over many years and I can tell you if you have that many errors that the (editor??? publisher) tells you it needs a redesign you do it at your own expence if you really care, for gods sake it can't need so much of a re-design that you have to change everything, if it costs more than £1500 I would be amazed, and frankly you should be ashamed if it needs that amount of corrections.
Either way if you are professional you wouldn't want a factually inaccurqate book on the market, can you imagine Queen putting out a poor album? do you think Brian would be happy with sub standard work... no why are you?[/QUOTE]
Togg, you are completely right!!!!
I worked in publishing and printing as well... and your point of view is solid (regarding the "budget comment" for instance)
And if GB seems to ignore this, he is either a bad negotiator or just blatantly ignorant ... but that is just my HUMBLE opinion !!!
My comment towards GB remains as always " hahahahahaha" (greg, you know what i mean!)
Firstly as the author of your book you should have simply not sent it to press with so many errors in the first edition, poor work very poor.
Secondly, of course it's your decision as to what goes out in the second, that is bull. You and only you are responsible for the copy, if you are happy with a book being on shelf that contains so many errors that the publisher says it needs a re-design!!! then you care nothing for your work.
I have been involved in publishing over many years and I can tell you if you have that many errors that the (editor??? publisher) tells you it needs a redesign you do it at your own expence if you really care, for gods sake it can't need so much of a re-design that you have to change everything, if it costs more than £1500 I would be amazed, and frankly you should be ashamed if it needs that amount of corrections.
Either way if you are professional you wouldn't want a factually inaccurqate book on the market, can you imagine Queen putting out a poor album? do you think Brian would be happy with sub standard work... no why are you?[/QUOTE]
Togg, you are completely right!!!!
I worked in publishing and printing as well... and your point of view is solid (regarding the "budget comment" for instance)
And if GB seems to ignore this, he is either a bad negotiator or just blatantly ignorant ... but that is just my HUMBLE opinion !!!
My comment towards GB remains as always " hahahahahaha" (greg, you know what i mean!)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Penetration_Guru wrote: [/QUOTENAME]..but I can quite believe that Greg had no "right" to insist on the rewrite, and that it was entirely down to the publishers that the investment wasn't made.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that everybody has moments of panic after publishing hard copies of anything. A web page would be a good way (and fast way) for Greg to list corrections and updates. Or would this sort of thing also be under the control of the publisher?
I'm sure that everybody has moments of panic after publishing hard copies of anything. A web page would be a good way (and fast way) for Greg to list corrections and updates. Or would this sort of thing also be under the control of the publisher?
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I like both books. Errors and all. I also understand Greg, and the fans who reply politely for that matter too. In the end, at the end of the day, bottomline, it comes down to what YOU, the fans out there, can really add, correct and contribute to get it ALL right, WITH solid proof and evidence, and not just hear-say, gossip stories of songs being played at shows yes or no. Greg has asked YOU guys for help so many times, and in my humble opinion, asking for help is completely something different than letting the fans do the dirty work for him. He has already done SO much work, and he had the guts to start working on it, and in the end was rewarded the most privileged position any Queen-fan in this universe can possibly dream of. And YOU lot, only react negative and jealous. You think you are in a position to judge, or demand anything at all from Greg? He simply can't tell everything, and YOU most certainly are NOT in title to know it all too. There will be future releases with zillions of surprises, that will be surprises because he doesn't spoil the surprise by not telling you! So we will be pleasantly surprised in the future. I love the Freddie collection immmense! And if the Queen-box-set will be anything like that, we are in for major enjoyment! SO...IF YOU really think YOU can do a better job then Greg, be my guest! I doubt it. For if any of you were any better at all, you would be in the vaults and studios having tea with Bri and Rog listening to things that we now still don't know of that they exist ....but the fact is, that Greg has this honour. Because HE deserves it. And you are NOT. i wonder why.......
So, as Greg so beautifully stated a while ago: PUT UP.... or SHUT UP! AMEN !!!
So, as Greg so beautifully stated a while ago: PUT UP.... or SHUT UP! AMEN !!!
Bas, that could possibly be the stupidest post in the history of QZ.
That "put up or shut up" argument is a pathetic defense, showing that Queen fans really are willing to accept something mediocre. It's a knee-jerk response when they can't think of anything intelligent to say. I agree that unjustified criticism is useless, but surely people here have offered constructive criticism to Greg? I know I've tried.
I understand and accept Greg's explanation.
The only thing I wish had been different is if you'd posted this information BEFORE many fans bought this new edition. You've been around here, and you have access to getting notices placed on Brian's site, etc. Plenty of opportunities to warn fans that it wouldn't be full of corrections. Obviously that would hurt sales, but it would have been the right thing to do :)
The only thing I wish had been different is if you'd posted this information BEFORE many fans bought this new edition. You've been around here, and you have access to getting notices placed on Brian's site, etc. Plenty of opportunities to warn fans that it wouldn't be full of corrections. Obviously that would hurt sales, but it would have been the right thing to do :)
My advice to Greg Brooks is to simply ignore the unconstructive replys. You just don´t guive him a chance whatsoever!
What i see here is beyond comprehension.
I was about to write this on another topic sometime ago, but here it is what i think:
I think that there are about five or six people that really want/wish that Greg gets fired.That´s why all the cristicism. You just wish that "Someone" reads this!
What i don´t understand is:
What kind of joy do you guys take from all the criticizing?
What kind of people are you?
There is one thing i´m gonna say to you, and please do read and meditate on this words:
As Brian MAy fans you people are missing one of his most spirituals teachings, and that is the Law of Karma:
What goes around comes around.
When i see those replys full with anger and envy feelings i really feel sorry for you guys, because the world is your mirror, whether you like it or not!
So, when you criticize Greg, you´re realling criticizing the part of you that you just can´t stand!!
Constructive cristicism in Queenzone reminds me the expression "Devil in desguise". I don´t see honest criticism from you guys at all!
Think about this:
What is that is hurting you so much, that you have to hurt other people feelings to get relief?
Please, do meditate on this and don´t create more bad Karma than what you´ve already have for your dailly routine.
If you want to take this personally, please do. But before you do it, please go and read again your replys concerning this subject. And take some time analising your life, and how would you feel if someone started to criticize you in the same way. Don´t you guys need to be criticized?
In the back of your head can you remember a moment when life has kept you from being humiliated? And sometimes you deserved it (you know you did), but for some reason it didn´t happened?
Do you guys guive the same chance to other people?
This is just a Forum, but we all have responsabilities, and in this case i think things have already gonne too far. Not fun anymore!
Take care
What i see here is beyond comprehension.
I was about to write this on another topic sometime ago, but here it is what i think:
I think that there are about five or six people that really want/wish that Greg gets fired.That´s why all the cristicism. You just wish that "Someone" reads this!
What i don´t understand is:
What kind of joy do you guys take from all the criticizing?
What kind of people are you?
There is one thing i´m gonna say to you, and please do read and meditate on this words:
As Brian MAy fans you people are missing one of his most spirituals teachings, and that is the Law of Karma:
What goes around comes around.
When i see those replys full with anger and envy feelings i really feel sorry for you guys, because the world is your mirror, whether you like it or not!
So, when you criticize Greg, you´re realling criticizing the part of you that you just can´t stand!!
Constructive cristicism in Queenzone reminds me the expression "Devil in desguise". I don´t see honest criticism from you guys at all!
Think about this:
What is that is hurting you so much, that you have to hurt other people feelings to get relief?
Please, do meditate on this and don´t create more bad Karma than what you´ve already have for your dailly routine.
If you want to take this personally, please do. But before you do it, please go and read again your replys concerning this subject. And take some time analising your life, and how would you feel if someone started to criticize you in the same way. Don´t you guys need to be criticized?
In the back of your head can you remember a moment when life has kept you from being humiliated? And sometimes you deserved it (you know you did), but for some reason it didn´t happened?
Do you guys guive the same chance to other people?
This is just a Forum, but we all have responsabilities, and in this case i think things have already gonne too far. Not fun anymore!
Take care
Jeez not you again. Why do you bother posting here anyways?
I wish Brian or someone would just tell you to shut up.
I wish Brian or someone would just tell you to shut up.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]young_strat_man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Greg, email me, i have something for you. And this is very serious, not a gag. You will want these videos. [/QUOTE]
He's got enough porno's!!
He's got enough porno's!!
> Just because someone hasn't gotten a book published, does that mean that they are restricted from ever criticizing a published work?
I agree - I don't know why so many people have to be that grumpy, they always answer with a "have you done something better?" sort of thing. And IMHO, just because nobody (else) had done a book like that at the time, it didn't give Greg the right to publish it with that amount of mistakes.
> My own book is being published in November, and while I'm terrified that I'll receive harsh criticism
Let's see the options:
- Great book, polite author (which is what I'm sure will be): No problem, except for those who feel jealous and who will moan about the cover or whatever.
- Great book, unpolite author: You may gain some more mordacious criticism.
- Poor book, polite author: Some will like it, some won't, but few will actually notice the mistakes.
- Poor book, grumpy author: If somebody puts it down, you can always say "put up or belt up" ;)
> I hope that the fans who know more than I do - and I know that's a lot! - will be able to assist me in making corrections and adding information for further publications.
Why don't you send some working versions or consult your doubts?
> Greg has asked YOU guys for help so many times, and in my humble opinion, asking for help is completely something different than letting the fans do the dirty work for him.
In this case it's basically the same.
> He has already done SO much work
Yes, but most of it has been outright inaccurate.
> and he had the guts to start working on it
I agree, but that doesn't justify his mistakes, let alone his grumpy attitude.
> For if any of you were any better at all, you would be in the vaults and studios having tea with Bri and Rog listening to things that we now still don't know of that they exist ....but the fact is, that Greg has this honour.
If life worked like that (quality = success), people like John S. Stuart and Mr Scully would be putting together the Queen Encyclopaedia, Rupert Murdoch would be a beggar and Treana Morris would be swimming on platinum records.
I agree - I don't know why so many people have to be that grumpy, they always answer with a "have you done something better?" sort of thing. And IMHO, just because nobody (else) had done a book like that at the time, it didn't give Greg the right to publish it with that amount of mistakes.
> My own book is being published in November, and while I'm terrified that I'll receive harsh criticism
Let's see the options:
- Great book, polite author (which is what I'm sure will be): No problem, except for those who feel jealous and who will moan about the cover or whatever.
- Great book, unpolite author: You may gain some more mordacious criticism.
- Poor book, polite author: Some will like it, some won't, but few will actually notice the mistakes.
- Poor book, grumpy author: If somebody puts it down, you can always say "put up or belt up" ;)
> I hope that the fans who know more than I do - and I know that's a lot! - will be able to assist me in making corrections and adding information for further publications.
Why don't you send some working versions or consult your doubts?
> Greg has asked YOU guys for help so many times, and in my humble opinion, asking for help is completely something different than letting the fans do the dirty work for him.
In this case it's basically the same.
> He has already done SO much work
Yes, but most of it has been outright inaccurate.
> and he had the guts to start working on it
I agree, but that doesn't justify his mistakes, let alone his grumpy attitude.
> For if any of you were any better at all, you would be in the vaults and studios having tea with Bri and Rog listening to things that we now still don't know of that they exist ....but the fact is, that Greg has this honour.
If life worked like that (quality = success), people like John S. Stuart and Mr Scully would be putting together the Queen Encyclopaedia, Rupert Murdoch would be a beggar and Treana Morris would be swimming on platinum records.
Greg, please answer me just this question:
IS THERE OR THERE IS NOT VERSION OF FREDDIE SINGING "DRIVEN BY YOU"
[demo, full track or whatever!]
Thanks
IS THERE OR THERE IS NOT VERSION OF FREDDIE SINGING "DRIVEN BY YOU"
[demo, full track or whatever!]
Thanks