[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]bas asselbergs wrote: [/QUOTENAME]He has already done SO much work[/QUOTE]
Since you're the expert, then tell us, honestly, in the last ten years, what has he done? Besides releasing a book in which most of its corrections were done by other people like me, and playing the part of the puppet to tell us again and again that the boxed set has been delayed, I honestly can't think of anything. Maybe you know something I don't know. Or maybe Greg can tell us what he's been so busy with since he got the job, because he hasn't really said much about what has been accomplished.
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I wish people wouldnt come bursting into Greg Brooks threads trying to get him to tell us whether Freddie recorded this song, or whether theres a 900 minute version of BO Rap out there- its such a waste of time.
He clearly isnt going to reveal anything, because firstly he never has before, and secondly I suspect in order to maintain excitement about potential future products, and a sense of mystery, which no doubt does wonders for sales, he's probably not allowed to tell us what does and doesnt exist on here!
Besides - asking stuff like that takes away from the fantastic discussions already happening in these threads!
He clearly isnt going to reveal anything, because firstly he never has before, and secondly I suspect in order to maintain excitement about potential future products, and a sense of mystery, which no doubt does wonders for sales, he's probably not allowed to tell us what does and doesnt exist on here!
Besides - asking stuff like that takes away from the fantastic discussions already happening in these threads!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]> Just because someone hasn't gotten a book published, does that mean that they are restricted from ever criticizing a published work?
I agree - I don't know why so many people have to be that grumpy, they always answer with a "have you done something better?" sort of thing. And IMHO, just because nobody (else) had done a book like that at the time, it didn't give Greg the right to publish it with that amount of mistakes.
> My own book is being published in November, and while I'm terrified that I'll receive harsh criticism
Let's see the options:
- Great book, polite author (which is what I'm sure will be): No problem, except for those who feel jealous and who will moan about the cover or whatever.
- Great book, unpolite author: You may gain some more mordacious criticism.
- Poor book, polite author: Some will like it, some won't, but few will actually notice the mistakes.
- Poor book, grumpy author: If somebody puts it down, you can always say "put up or belt up" ;)
> I hope that the fans who know more than I do - and I know that's a lot! - will be able to assist me in making corrections and adding information for further publications.
Why don't you send some working versions or consult your doubts?[/QUOTE]
I had tremendous help from Bob (Sir GH) who looked over some of what I wrote and offered corrections and even suggested that I rewrite some of the harsher entries. I would've consulted more people, but I simply ran out of time - not a good excuse I know, but this whole publication deal came up pretty quickly, and I found myself with six months remaining to complete the whole project.
However, I don't see any reason to get upset about criticism (especially on a karmic level - what a weird argument), so I expect to treat people the same if they love my book or hate my book: with respect and politeness. I can guarantee you won't see me bursting in here every so months with a poorly-written tirade against the next so-and-so who has a beef with me.
I agree - I don't know why so many people have to be that grumpy, they always answer with a "have you done something better?" sort of thing. And IMHO, just because nobody (else) had done a book like that at the time, it didn't give Greg the right to publish it with that amount of mistakes.
> My own book is being published in November, and while I'm terrified that I'll receive harsh criticism
Let's see the options:
- Great book, polite author (which is what I'm sure will be): No problem, except for those who feel jealous and who will moan about the cover or whatever.
- Great book, unpolite author: You may gain some more mordacious criticism.
- Poor book, polite author: Some will like it, some won't, but few will actually notice the mistakes.
- Poor book, grumpy author: If somebody puts it down, you can always say "put up or belt up" ;)
> I hope that the fans who know more than I do - and I know that's a lot! - will be able to assist me in making corrections and adding information for further publications.
Why don't you send some working versions or consult your doubts?[/QUOTE]
I had tremendous help from Bob (Sir GH) who looked over some of what I wrote and offered corrections and even suggested that I rewrite some of the harsher entries. I would've consulted more people, but I simply ran out of time - not a good excuse I know, but this whole publication deal came up pretty quickly, and I found myself with six months remaining to complete the whole project.
However, I don't see any reason to get upset about criticism (especially on a karmic level - what a weird argument), so I expect to treat people the same if they love my book or hate my book: with respect and politeness. I can guarantee you won't see me bursting in here every so months with a poorly-written tirade against the next so-and-so who has a beef with me.
You know, Lester - the good thing about someone criticising your book is the fact that he/she actually bought it:)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lester Burnham wrote: However, I don't see any reason to get upset about criticism (especially on a karmic level - what a weird argument), so I expect to treat people the same if they love my book or hate my book: with respect and politeness. I can guarantee you won't see me bursting in here every so months with a poorly-written tirade against the next so-and-so who has a beef with me.[/QUOTE]
I hope your book will sell good. My argument might seem weird, but it´s not weird at all. It´s reallity!!
Respect and politness is what is needed in Queenzone.
I don´t think it´s respectfull and polite (this is not directed to you, it´s just my views of the last couple of years regarding Greg Brooks and Queenzone) to tell in anyone´s face the "your work is shite, and your a lazy ...." in PUBLIC.
I was allways told that if you want to reward someone for his good work, then do it publicly. This way, it will lead others to share those standards.
If you want to criticize someone (in a bad but constructive way), then do it in private. That way you avoid public humilliation!
As a forum we can discuss Greg´s work, but if we know that he´s reading, the least we can do is try to be polite towards his work. Try to explain our ideas the best way we can.
If you see Brian in the street you´re not going to say the "Hot Space is Shite", probably you´ll try to find better words to describe you thoughts towards it.
more later...
Take care
I hope your book will sell good. My argument might seem weird, but it´s not weird at all. It´s reallity!!
Respect and politness is what is needed in Queenzone.
I don´t think it´s respectfull and polite (this is not directed to you, it´s just my views of the last couple of years regarding Greg Brooks and Queenzone) to tell in anyone´s face the "your work is shite, and your a lazy ...." in PUBLIC.
I was allways told that if you want to reward someone for his good work, then do it publicly. This way, it will lead others to share those standards.
If you want to criticize someone (in a bad but constructive way), then do it in private. That way you avoid public humilliation!
As a forum we can discuss Greg´s work, but if we know that he´s reading, the least we can do is try to be polite towards his work. Try to explain our ideas the best way we can.
If you see Brian in the street you´re not going to say the "Hot Space is Shite", probably you´ll try to find better words to describe you thoughts towards it.
more later...
Take care
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Cwazy little thing wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I wish people wouldnt come bursting into Greg Brooks threads trying to get him to tell us whether Freddie recorded this song, or whether theres a 900 minute version of BO Rap out there- its such a waste of time.
He clearly isnt going to reveal anything, because firstly he never has before, and secondly I suspect in order to maintain excitement about potential future products, and a sense of mystery, which no doubt does wonders for sales, he's probably not allowed to tell us what does and doesnt exist on here...[/QUOTE]
Cwazy little thing: With respect, what a load of nonsense.
When the first box-set is planned for release, the track-listing will leak onto the internet within 15 minutes, and when the first test pressing is cut, that too will leak within 15 minutes of publication.
Am I really that dumb, that I am expected to believe that sales of the box-set will be irreparably damaged, because I have been previously informed that a version of ‘Modern Times Rock And Roll’ resides in the vaults with Freddie on vocals?
So why all the cloak and dagger?
There is no difference between rude and ignorance, and to ignore politely requested information – or indeed to answer with an arrogant aside – is, (IMHO) patronising arrogance in the extreme.
He clearly isnt going to reveal anything, because firstly he never has before, and secondly I suspect in order to maintain excitement about potential future products, and a sense of mystery, which no doubt does wonders for sales, he's probably not allowed to tell us what does and doesnt exist on here...[/QUOTE]
Cwazy little thing: With respect, what a load of nonsense.
When the first box-set is planned for release, the track-listing will leak onto the internet within 15 minutes, and when the first test pressing is cut, that too will leak within 15 minutes of publication.
Am I really that dumb, that I am expected to believe that sales of the box-set will be irreparably damaged, because I have been previously informed that a version of ‘Modern Times Rock And Roll’ resides in the vaults with Freddie on vocals?
So why all the cloak and dagger?
There is no difference between rude and ignorance, and to ignore politely requested information – or indeed to answer with an arrogant aside – is, (IMHO) patronising arrogance in the extreme.
Greg has done a lot of work that we don't know anything about, yes sir. He came up with the 10cd+2dvd set of Freddie. We hadn't got a clue before the release was finished what it would all contain. And there was a lot in there that even pleasantly surprised you complainers and know-betters too. I agree that it isn't complete, with the Elton John, Michael jackson and Time projects missing for instance, but it still is a super item! I believe that he is doing the same great job for the definitive anthology that is due to be released in (November?) 2009. If we don't hear much now, we will later, and then you can know the reason why he's got the job, instead of other people like you. It isn't supposed to be out here for the fans, before properly worked on and put together. He can keep a secret a secret, that is why you guys seem to be so pissed. And that my dears, is exactly why you think so negative about Greg. He doesn't give answers he isn't supposed or allowed to give. Nothing comes out, but he did play some awesome tracks again at the last dutch meeting, that i was very pleased to hear...You're jealous i guess, at the position he's worked himself into? He could tell us zillions of facts, put many things on the web or make illegal copies for "serious fans and collectors" and be a big leaking outlet hole, but because he is made of the (for Queen) right material and doesn't do al that, you can do nothing else than complain and give negative comments. If you guys know all the mistakes, then what do you need a book without mistakes for anyway? If they were taken out, would you then know more?............?
Boy am I glad that I can now say that I put something up instead of shutting up, because that makes everything I say far more authentic. People will HAVE to believe everything I say now, and if they don't then, no matter how knowledgable they may be, their opinion is worthless because they haven't had a book published!
Life is so good right now.
Life is so good right now.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]bas asselbergs wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Greg has done a lot of work that we don't know anything about, yes sir.[/QUOTE]
All together, let's all praise Greg for the work he has done that there is no evidence of! Hurrah!
[QUOTE]He came up with the 10cd+2dvd set of Freddie.[/QUOTE]
Exactly how much of that was Greg's doing, and what proof is there? If he compiled that boxed set the same way he "compiled" his book, then I bet it wasn't too much on his part.
[QUOTE]If you guys know all the mistakes, then what do you need a book without mistakes for anyway? If they were taken out, would you then know more?............?[/QUOTE]
Although some people see the mistakes, the overwhelming majority of readers don't see them, and they will assume they are reading facts. That is the problem. Some of us would like to see a book with new information, not hundreds of mistakes from the original that weren't corrected. But since Greg knows he's catering to the majority who don't see the errors, he can afford to be lazy with his book and make excuses that only a few people will hear about. Doesn't this concern you?
All together, let's all praise Greg for the work he has done that there is no evidence of! Hurrah!
[QUOTE]He came up with the 10cd+2dvd set of Freddie.[/QUOTE]
Exactly how much of that was Greg's doing, and what proof is there? If he compiled that boxed set the same way he "compiled" his book, then I bet it wasn't too much on his part.
[QUOTE]If you guys know all the mistakes, then what do you need a book without mistakes for anyway? If they were taken out, would you then know more?............?[/QUOTE]
Although some people see the mistakes, the overwhelming majority of readers don't see them, and they will assume they are reading facts. That is the problem. Some of us would like to see a book with new information, not hundreds of mistakes from the original that weren't corrected. But since Greg knows he's catering to the majority who don't see the errors, he can afford to be lazy with his book and make excuses that only a few people will hear about. Doesn't this concern you?
Greg, please answer me just this question:
IS THERE OR THERE IS NOT VERSION OF FREDDIE SINGING "DRIVEN BY YOU"
[demo, full track or whatever!]
Thanks
NOT THAT I KNOW OF. I HAVE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD ANY SUCH TAPE OR RECORDING.
I WILL ASK BRIAN WHEN I SEE HIM NEXT - OR JUSTIN SHIRLEY SMITH.
IS THERE OR THERE IS NOT VERSION OF FREDDIE SINGING "DRIVEN BY YOU"
[demo, full track or whatever!]
Thanks
NOT THAT I KNOW OF. I HAVE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD ANY SUCH TAPE OR RECORDING.
I WILL ASK BRIAN WHEN I SEE HIM NEXT - OR JUSTIN SHIRLEY SMITH.
Greg,
With regard to my post on the other thread........THANK YOU - this is EXACLTY what people are looking for here. If you can follow that all up you would be serving the Queen community in the best possible way!
With regard to my post on the other thread........THANK YOU - this is EXACLTY what people are looking for here. If you can follow that all up you would be serving the Queen community in the best possible way!
Okay people, here is the solution:
POST YOUR QUESTIONS IN CAPS. THAT SEEMS TO WORK!
POST YOUR QUESTIONS IN CAPS. THAT SEEMS TO WORK!
Lol, maybe all this time it's just because he needed new glasses!
Haha, maybe so!
GREG, HOW MANY CONCERTS WERE PROFESSIONALLY FILMED BETWEEN 1976 and 1978?
GREG, HOW MANY CONCERTS WERE PROFESSIONALLY FILMED BETWEEN 1976 and 1978?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Haha, maybe so!
GREG, HOW MANY CONCERTS WERE PROFESSIONALLY FILMED BETWEEN 1976 and 1978?[/QUOTE]
It won't work, you have to write the numbers in capitals as well.
GREG, HOW MANY CONCERTS WERE PROFESSIONALLY FILMED BETWEEN 1976 and 1978?[/QUOTE]
It won't work, you have to write the numbers in capitals as well.