You've named Stewart whose voice is very similar to Roger's...
Well - because we don't see the criterions of comparing Roger's voice with voices of opera singers (especially female singers). Because it's impossible to compare Roger's voice with voices of other rock singers. Whose voice is better Caballe's or Pavarotti's? Can you please answer? By your judgement over 95% of rock singers are not singers at all...
"Roger Taylor has greater facility for the high tones, he has a great falsetto voice. He is the one that produces the classical screams in the choirs of Queen. Roger is the one that reaches the tones over the F4, the High F, more easily. In the culminating part of the operatic section in 'Bohemian Rhapsody', Roger produces the famous Bb4 in the end." - by Andres
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Saying that Roger Taylor only screams and doesn't sing is absolutely ludicrous. 'I'm, In Love With My Car' is one of the truly great rock vocals which, if it had been recorded by, for example Steven Tyler or Rod Stewart, would be praised to high heaven.
Rod Stewart is a comporable name that keeps coming up - in the early Faces days he certainly was a gret vocalist, but over the years both his voice, and the choice of material he has chosen to sing with it, have both declined badly. In addition, his pitching is pretty poor now compared to the old days.
I actually remember Roger saying in a recent interview that although his falsetto ability has declined over the years (the high stuff such as in Bo Rhap, In The Lap Of The Gods etc..), his actual full range has extended and he can get higher in his stronger 'true' voice before having to resort to falsetto. I think a good example of this is the chorus harmonies in No-One But You on the lines "they're only flying too close to the sun".
In addition, Paul Rodgers has repeatedly said in recent interviews that when he started working with Queen not only was he taken aback with how brilliant Roger is as a drummer, but he is also an amazing vocalist in his own right too - sounds like good enough praise from someone often referred to as one of the greatest British singers of all time.
Rod Stewart is a comporable name that keeps coming up - in the early Faces days he certainly was a gret vocalist, but over the years both his voice, and the choice of material he has chosen to sing with it, have both declined badly. In addition, his pitching is pretty poor now compared to the old days.
I actually remember Roger saying in a recent interview that although his falsetto ability has declined over the years (the high stuff such as in Bo Rhap, In The Lap Of The Gods etc..), his actual full range has extended and he can get higher in his stronger 'true' voice before having to resort to falsetto. I think a good example of this is the chorus harmonies in No-One But You on the lines "they're only flying too close to the sun".
In addition, Paul Rodgers has repeatedly said in recent interviews that when he started working with Queen not only was he taken aback with how brilliant Roger is as a drummer, but he is also an amazing vocalist in his own right too - sounds like good enough praise from someone often referred to as one of the greatest British singers of all time.
well you can't convince me and backwards, - in my opinion roger should stay behind his drumset and keep his mouth shut, in your opinion he probably should have replaced freddie mercury, - well let's leave everyone's opinion stay.
btw i mentioned rod stewart because he was mentioned before, - in my opinion he hasn't got a good voice. and yes, there are just very few singers in rock-/pop music who have really a good voice.
however, when you're yourself a singer you get very critical with the others voices, that's maybe why you don't understand me.
btw i mentioned rod stewart because he was mentioned before, - in my opinion he hasn't got a good voice. and yes, there are just very few singers in rock-/pop music who have really a good voice.
however, when you're yourself a singer you get very critical with the others voices, that's maybe why you don't understand me.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry Vietinhoff wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
"Roger Taylor has greater facility for the high tones, he has a great falsetto voice. He is the one that produces the classical screams in the choirs of Queen. Roger is the one that reaches the tones over the F4, the High F, more easily. In the culminating part of the operatic section in 'Bohemian Rhapsody', Roger produces the famous Bb4 in the end." - by Andres[/QUOTE]
ok, the little son of my aunt (2 years old) can also "produce" the Bb4, - and? the amplitude for a voice is never a criteria for a good voice. we have to accept that roger taylor is not a singer, some have the voice for singing, but he hasn't. (btw it's not the Bb4 but the Bb3 he is screaming in boh rhap, it's count the Bb4 cos he is male but that's wrong, in fact it's still the Bb3, - it's beside the point but still a fact)
"Roger Taylor has greater facility for the high tones, he has a great falsetto voice. He is the one that produces the classical screams in the choirs of Queen. Roger is the one that reaches the tones over the F4, the High F, more easily. In the culminating part of the operatic section in 'Bohemian Rhapsody', Roger produces the famous Bb4 in the end." - by Andres[/QUOTE]
ok, the little son of my aunt (2 years old) can also "produce" the Bb4, - and? the amplitude for a voice is never a criteria for a good voice. we have to accept that roger taylor is not a singer, some have the voice for singing, but he hasn't. (btw it's not the Bb4 but the Bb3 he is screaming in boh rhap, it's count the Bb4 cos he is male but that's wrong, in fact it's still the Bb3, - it's beside the point but still a fact)
You're avoiding my question - who's better Cabale or Pavarotti (if you are singer yourself - you'd NEVER compare other singers to each other...)? Who's better - the proffessional well trained orchestra drummer who touches timpani two times during 2-hours symphony or former ukulele player from The Reaction band Roger Taylor?
Just give us criterions of 'good' voice. If you use opera standards then it's ridiculous, because if I'd use rock standards for drummers, for instance, then ALL drummers from ALL philarmonic orchestras can't play on their f*cking instrument and my 1 years old neighbour can play better (as well as Ringo was crappy drummer, Macca is crappy bassist, but hey - they are still The Beatles!)
Just give us criterions of 'good' voice. If you use opera standards then it's ridiculous, because if I'd use rock standards for drummers, for instance, then ALL drummers from ALL philarmonic orchestras can't play on their f*cking instrument and my 1 years old neighbour can play better (as well as Ringo was crappy drummer, Macca is crappy bassist, but hey - they are still The Beatles!)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]rosedewitt wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry Vietinhoff wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
"Roger Taylor has greater facility for the high tones, he has a great falsetto voice. He is the one that produces the classical screams in the choirs of Queen. Roger is the one that reaches the tones over the F4, the High F, more easily. In the culminating part of the operatic section in 'Bohemian Rhapsody', Roger produces the famous Bb4 in the end." - by Andres[/QUOTE]
ok, the little son of my aunt (2 years old) can also "produce" the Bb4, - and? the amplitude for a voice is never a criteria for a good voice. we have to accept that roger taylor is not a singer, some have the voice for singing, but he hasn't. (btw it's not the Bb4 but the Bb3 he is screaming in boh rhap, it's count the Bb4 cos he is male but that's wrong, in fact it's still the Bb3, - it's beside the point but still a fact)[/QUOTE]
Amplitude may not be good criteria for a voice, but what about control? I've always thought that Roger has great control over his singing, seeing as he can quickly and accurately change from low to high notes fast as lighting and still be considered in tune. (See Bo. Rhap. See MotBQ. Etc.) I highly doubt that a two-year-old can be credited with having control over his high-pitched shrieking, because without control, shrieking is just what it is. ;D
'Love to you, Mr. Taylor.
"Roger Taylor has greater facility for the high tones, he has a great falsetto voice. He is the one that produces the classical screams in the choirs of Queen. Roger is the one that reaches the tones over the F4, the High F, more easily. In the culminating part of the operatic section in 'Bohemian Rhapsody', Roger produces the famous Bb4 in the end." - by Andres[/QUOTE]
ok, the little son of my aunt (2 years old) can also "produce" the Bb4, - and? the amplitude for a voice is never a criteria for a good voice. we have to accept that roger taylor is not a singer, some have the voice for singing, but he hasn't. (btw it's not the Bb4 but the Bb3 he is screaming in boh rhap, it's count the Bb4 cos he is male but that's wrong, in fact it's still the Bb3, - it's beside the point but still a fact)[/QUOTE]
Amplitude may not be good criteria for a voice, but what about control? I've always thought that Roger has great control over his singing, seeing as he can quickly and accurately change from low to high notes fast as lighting and still be considered in tune. (See Bo. Rhap. See MotBQ. Etc.) I highly doubt that a two-year-old can be credited with having control over his high-pitched shrieking, because without control, shrieking is just what it is. ;D
'Love to you, Mr. Taylor.
Smoking ALWAYS affects one's voice.
As does quitting! ;-)
In Roger's case - it's more a matter of old age. Age affects everybody's voice in some way - even if they do not smoke. Come on - the guy goes towards 60! ;-)
And agreed that he never was the worlds greatest vocalist to begin with. (But at least better then Brian and it DOES sound good, which is good enough to speak of a 'voice'). Apart from that... I yawn again at almost everything rosedewit says...
But please DO tell us what you make of the sound that is being orally produced by Paul Rodgers and Ronnie James Dio? (I dare not call them 'voices' before I read your thoughts on them)
As does quitting! ;-)
In Roger's case - it's more a matter of old age. Age affects everybody's voice in some way - even if they do not smoke. Come on - the guy goes towards 60! ;-)
And agreed that he never was the worlds greatest vocalist to begin with. (But at least better then Brian and it DOES sound good, which is good enough to speak of a 'voice'). Apart from that... I yawn again at almost everything rosedewit says...
But please DO tell us what you make of the sound that is being orally produced by Paul Rodgers and Ronnie James Dio? (I dare not call them 'voices' before I read your thoughts on them)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry Vietinhoff wrote: (as well as Ringo was crappy drummer, Macca is crappy bassist, but hey - they are still The Beatles!)[/QUOTE]
Not to get off topic here, but I totally disagree with these statements.
1) While Ringo is not responsible for even .01% of the Beatles catalog in terms of songwriting, his signature "backbeat" or less is more approach was the absolute foundation to the early Beatles sound. Had Neil Peart or John Bonham been drumming for the Beatles in 1962, most of the world would of said "what the fuck is that drumming mess, I can't even hear the singing or instruments over that drumming bullshit."
2) McCartney was easily the most technically gifted musician in the Beatles. And by the accounts George Martin "Paul was certainly the most gifted one, technically speaking of the group. He wasn't demoted to bass because he couldn't play guitar, he was actually the best guitarist of the group. He agreed to bass because he knew know one else in the group could properly do it, or just not the way he wanted it done."
When Rolling Stone asked George Martin in 1976 if he thought of any one Beatles as the leader, his answer:
"It was essentially John's band until Yoko came around, then I would say Paul took over sometime in 1967." "However, Paul was always the musical director, always my assistant. Paul always made sure everyone played their best, as if they didn't, they had to deal with his attitude for sometimes days. I guess he was sort of a bully in the studio, in those days anyway."
-George Martin
Not to get off topic here, but I totally disagree with these statements.
1) While Ringo is not responsible for even .01% of the Beatles catalog in terms of songwriting, his signature "backbeat" or less is more approach was the absolute foundation to the early Beatles sound. Had Neil Peart or John Bonham been drumming for the Beatles in 1962, most of the world would of said "what the fuck is that drumming mess, I can't even hear the singing or instruments over that drumming bullshit."
2) McCartney was easily the most technically gifted musician in the Beatles. And by the accounts George Martin "Paul was certainly the most gifted one, technically speaking of the group. He wasn't demoted to bass because he couldn't play guitar, he was actually the best guitarist of the group. He agreed to bass because he knew know one else in the group could properly do it, or just not the way he wanted it done."
When Rolling Stone asked George Martin in 1976 if he thought of any one Beatles as the leader, his answer:
"It was essentially John's band until Yoko came around, then I would say Paul took over sometime in 1967." "However, Paul was always the musical director, always my assistant. Paul always made sure everyone played their best, as if they didn't, they had to deal with his attitude for sometimes days. I guess he was sort of a bully in the studio, in those days anyway."
-George Martin
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry Vietinhoff wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You're avoiding my question - who's better Cabale or Pavarotti (if you are singer yourself - you'd NEVER compare other singers to each other...)? Who's better - the proffessional well trained orchestra drummer who touches timpani two times during 2-hours symphony or former ukulele player from The Reaction band Roger Taylor?
Just give us criterions of 'good' voice. If you use opera standards then it's ridiculous, because if I'd use rock standards for drummers, for instance, then ALL drummers from ALL philarmonic orchestras can't play on their f*cking instrument and my 1 years old neighbour can play better (as well as Ringo was crappy drummer, Macca is crappy bassist, but hey - they are still The Beatles!)[/QUOTE]
of course i compare singers with each other, - but who is Cabale? :P ok if it offends you i won't compare roger with maria callas because she's female, and not montserrat caballé, but what about carreras? he's a man.
and if i even don't compare him with other singers and only with rocksingers, he also can't keep up with them. who has the better voice, freddie mercury or roger taylor? roger taylor? wow, and why didn't the stupid band let him sing instead of freddie? because no one would have listen to queen anymore.
and i am sorry to say that so directly but you have no idea what a drummer in a phil.orchestra is teached in over his education, how much he learns, how many instruments he must be able to play, not only his instruments, but also harmonics and all the classes he also have to do in a study (which i don't know the english words for). it's a full study for some years and not only sit behind the drumset and beat the drums and cymbals. i am sure every orchestra drummer can play the patterns roger playes, and he could play them as well. and to be honest, i don't think any symph.orchestra would have ask roger taylor to play with them.
but that's not the point, in rock music he might be the best drummer ever, i don't care. the point is, that roger taylor can't sing, you can say what you want, i have my own ears and i heard his voice some times and in my opinion this man has not the voice to sing.
and criterias for a good voice are for example the "sound", when it sounds clear without any scratch. when it is very movable. when it is very strong and can also change into very pianissimo. when it is flexible and can sound different, but is still a singing. when it can express emotions. when it sounds wide and not pressed. when you can listen hours to it and you are still relaxed,and not if you listen to it and get throat ache just by listening. and when it is getting better and better by the years until a climax, and not getting worse because of the wrong technique. and many more.
Just give us criterions of 'good' voice. If you use opera standards then it's ridiculous, because if I'd use rock standards for drummers, for instance, then ALL drummers from ALL philarmonic orchestras can't play on their f*cking instrument and my 1 years old neighbour can play better (as well as Ringo was crappy drummer, Macca is crappy bassist, but hey - they are still The Beatles!)[/QUOTE]
of course i compare singers with each other, - but who is Cabale? :P ok if it offends you i won't compare roger with maria callas because she's female, and not montserrat caballé, but what about carreras? he's a man.
and if i even don't compare him with other singers and only with rocksingers, he also can't keep up with them. who has the better voice, freddie mercury or roger taylor? roger taylor? wow, and why didn't the stupid band let him sing instead of freddie? because no one would have listen to queen anymore.
and i am sorry to say that so directly but you have no idea what a drummer in a phil.orchestra is teached in over his education, how much he learns, how many instruments he must be able to play, not only his instruments, but also harmonics and all the classes he also have to do in a study (which i don't know the english words for). it's a full study for some years and not only sit behind the drumset and beat the drums and cymbals. i am sure every orchestra drummer can play the patterns roger playes, and he could play them as well. and to be honest, i don't think any symph.orchestra would have ask roger taylor to play with them.
but that's not the point, in rock music he might be the best drummer ever, i don't care. the point is, that roger taylor can't sing, you can say what you want, i have my own ears and i heard his voice some times and in my opinion this man has not the voice to sing.
and criterias for a good voice are for example the "sound", when it sounds clear without any scratch. when it is very movable. when it is very strong and can also change into very pianissimo. when it is flexible and can sound different, but is still a singing. when it can express emotions. when it sounds wide and not pressed. when you can listen hours to it and you are still relaxed,and not if you listen to it and get throat ache just by listening. and when it is getting better and better by the years until a climax, and not getting worse because of the wrong technique. and many more.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]jeroen wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And agreed that he never was the worlds greatest vocalist to begin with. (But at least better then Brian and it DOES sound good, which is good enough to speak of a 'voice'). Apart from that... I yawn again at almost everything rosedewit says...
But please DO tell us what you make of the sound that is being orally produced by Paul Rodgers and Ronnie James Dio? (I dare not call them 'voices' before I read your thoughts on them)[/QUOTE]
i guess you're not really interested in my opinion about their voices but just want me to say that i don't like them. well i won't say whether i like their voices or not because the topic is about rogers voice. start a new one and maybe i'll post my opinion.
But please DO tell us what you make of the sound that is being orally produced by Paul Rodgers and Ronnie James Dio? (I dare not call them 'voices' before I read your thoughts on them)[/QUOTE]
i guess you're not really interested in my opinion about their voices but just want me to say that i don't like them. well i won't say whether i like their voices or not because the topic is about rogers voice. start a new one and maybe i'll post my opinion.
"ok if it offends you"
It offends you mostly actually - because you're comparing people...
"who has the better voice, freddie mercury or roger taylor? roger taylor? wow, and why didn't the stupid band let him sing instead of freddie? because no one would have listen to queen anymore."
Oh c'mon if you have some more of these childish arguments then stop replying better or grow up. "Roger has a good voice" - "Really?! Then why Freddie was singer? So you'd preffer Roger instead of Freddie? So you hate Freddie? So that was you who killed JFK?". Leave that shit for kids - "my daddy is bigger than yours" etc.
"and i am sorry to say that so directly but you have no idea what a drummer in a phil.orchestra"
You have no idea what is standards for vocals in rock music.
"i am sure every orchestra drummer can play the patterns roger playes, and he could play them as well."
And I'm sure (though I'm not) that Roger can sing opera, so what? Are we gonna discuss about what we're sure and what we aren't? Drummer from orchestra plays his easiest sounds, drummer from rock band plays hardest patterns. End of story.
"in rock music he might be the best drummer ever, i don't care."
Then you'd better stop listen to rock band Queen.
"i have my own ears"
Not only you, let me tell you. Yours are not better than mine or someone's else.
"when it can express emotions."
Now I really doubt if you have heard any song sung by Rog then (in your words he doesn't express emotions...).
It offends you mostly actually - because you're comparing people...
"who has the better voice, freddie mercury or roger taylor? roger taylor? wow, and why didn't the stupid band let him sing instead of freddie? because no one would have listen to queen anymore."
Oh c'mon if you have some more of these childish arguments then stop replying better or grow up. "Roger has a good voice" - "Really?! Then why Freddie was singer? So you'd preffer Roger instead of Freddie? So you hate Freddie? So that was you who killed JFK?". Leave that shit for kids - "my daddy is bigger than yours" etc.
"and i am sorry to say that so directly but you have no idea what a drummer in a phil.orchestra"
You have no idea what is standards for vocals in rock music.
"i am sure every orchestra drummer can play the patterns roger playes, and he could play them as well."
And I'm sure (though I'm not) that Roger can sing opera, so what? Are we gonna discuss about what we're sure and what we aren't? Drummer from orchestra plays his easiest sounds, drummer from rock band plays hardest patterns. End of story.
"in rock music he might be the best drummer ever, i don't care."
Then you'd better stop listen to rock band Queen.
"i have my own ears"
Not only you, let me tell you. Yours are not better than mine or someone's else.
"when it can express emotions."
Now I really doubt if you have heard any song sung by Rog then (in your words he doesn't express emotions...).
Why does an arguement have to break out into every single thread? Can't we all just be happy lol
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry Vietinhoff wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Drummer from orchestra plays his easiest sounds, drummer from rock band plays hardest patterns. End of story.
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lol thanks for your amusing post!
but this one is wrong: just inform yourself, most of the patterns used in rock music are very easy to play for every drummer, besides if classical or rock education.
well i didn't say my opinion is the one and only right one all over the world, i just said it's my own personal opinion, so let me have my opinion and don't try to convince me, that's childish. when you can't bear that other people have a different opinion from yours, well then you shouldn't read and discuss in boards/forums.
this is really becoming off-topic and if you still want to argue anymore we can do that privately, but this discussion doesn't interest anybody.
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lol thanks for your amusing post!
but this one is wrong: just inform yourself, most of the patterns used in rock music are very easy to play for every drummer, besides if classical or rock education.
well i didn't say my opinion is the one and only right one all over the world, i just said it's my own personal opinion, so let me have my opinion and don't try to convince me, that's childish. when you can't bear that other people have a different opinion from yours, well then you shouldn't read and discuss in boards/forums.
this is really becoming off-topic and if you still want to argue anymore we can do that privately, but this discussion doesn't interest anybody.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]you_rock_my_socks06 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Why does an arguement have to break out into every single thread? Can't we all just be happy lol[/QUOTE]
because there's no f*ckin' mod which looks after the boards and closes threads like this one ;)
because there's no f*ckin' mod which looks after the boards and closes threads like this one ;)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]rosedewitt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
well i didn't say my opinion is the one and only right one all over the world, i just said it's my own personal opinion, so let me have my opinion and don't try to convince me, that's childish. [/QUOTE]
Actually you did. If you'd say "I don't like Roger's voice" - that's okay, that's something called "personal taste", but then it goes with all those semi-proffessional so-called 'proofs' - it's not opinion then. And yes - all those words about replacement Freddie by Roger only because Roger has voice too is childish bullshit. How that Freddie had dare to take guitar in his hands when there was Brian around him?! He couldn't play any fucking single chord! What a crime! Freddie wanted to replace Bri by himself!
[QUOTE]when you can't bear that other people have a different opinion from yours, well then you shouldn't read and discuss in boards/forums.[/QUOTE]
Talking to yourself?
well i didn't say my opinion is the one and only right one all over the world, i just said it's my own personal opinion, so let me have my opinion and don't try to convince me, that's childish. [/QUOTE]
Actually you did. If you'd say "I don't like Roger's voice" - that's okay, that's something called "personal taste", but then it goes with all those semi-proffessional so-called 'proofs' - it's not opinion then. And yes - all those words about replacement Freddie by Roger only because Roger has voice too is childish bullshit. How that Freddie had dare to take guitar in his hands when there was Brian around him?! He couldn't play any fucking single chord! What a crime! Freddie wanted to replace Bri by himself!
[QUOTE]when you can't bear that other people have a different opinion from yours, well then you shouldn't read and discuss in boards/forums.[/QUOTE]
Talking to yourself?