true ....it's yourself who's getting the "bill" eventually ....drinking too ! ...whatnot actually ?
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[i]Resurrecting a thread from almost 3 years ago...and continuing the argument.
I love it.
[/i]LOL... I'm sorry!. It was kind of an accident. I had been reading the thread and forgot that it was that old.
People still seem to have something to say about this, though!.
I have to agree with the person who said that Queen members are/were professional musicians. It's profesional because you get paid for it, indeed. It has nothing to do with a degree.
I love it.
[/i]LOL... I'm sorry!. It was kind of an accident. I had been reading the thread and forgot that it was that old.
People still seem to have something to say about this, though!.
I have to agree with the person who said that Queen members are/were professional musicians. It's profesional because you get paid for it, indeed. It has nothing to do with a degree.
Since stupidity reigns in this thread, Roger Taylor is a fantastic singer. Could he sing with the 3 Tenors? No. Could he sing Drowse with more emotion, believability and bittersweetness than any of the 3 Tenors? Of course. Roger Taylor is no better or worse a vocalist than Rod Stewart, as he is the closest point of comparison. Both are unique, and in THEIR OWN RIGHT, wonderful singers. Anyone who doesn't get this is a snob, or knows everything about the theory of music, and nothing about the power of music.
I think his voice, by it's nature, is limited in application compared to those truly genre-hopping singers out there. But he's proven himself as a fantastic interpreter, that's a fact. His version of "These Are The Days Of Our Lives", for instance.
roger is a poor mans rod steward as a singer, but he's a great screamer. His screams are almost as good as rob halfords.
I agree, on Queen II for example !
He's pretty much an average singer, when he's not doing the typical Queen stuff (harmonies, falsettos etc.). But this thread and resulting arguments should have stopped when Mariah Carey was quoted as being a rock singer anyway.
And to keep on topic: smoking did worse for Freddie than for Roger IMHO. If Roger's voice sounds weak, it's called aging.
And to keep on topic: smoking did worse for Freddie than for Roger IMHO. If Roger's voice sounds weak, it's called aging.
Freddie smoke more, didn't he?. In the 80's he's almost always smoking.
Rogers should team up with Stevie Nicks and do a Duet!
That would sound awsome!
That would sound awsome!
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[b]Serry Vietinhoff wrote: [/b]
Drummer from orchestra plays his easiest sounds, drummer from rock band plays hardest patterns. End of story.
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lol thanks for your amusing post!
but this one is wrong: just inform yourself, most of the patterns used in rock music are very easy to play for every drummer, besides if classical or rock education.
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I have to challenge this, because it's too ridiculous to remain unchallenged. :)
Handling the percussion instruments in an orchestra is of course not an easy task, especially if you look at music written since the end of the 19th century. You must have skill and technique aplenty, and you have to have an education that - in time - rivals that of a surgeon.
However, most classical percussionists can't play rock if their life depended on it. Sure, there are exceptions, but most of the time it sounds really bad. Does it mean they can't play the basic pattern a rock drummer does? No, of course not, since a standard rock pattern is quite straightforward. But - and this is a huge but - playing and singing music has to do with more than just getting the notes right, it has to do with stuff that is difficult to explain and analyze, it has to do with feel, a basic grip of style, etc. That's why I wouldn't want the timpanist from The Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra playing drums in Queen, because it would (in all probability) sound rather bad. The same is true the other way around, of course.
Now, you can argue that this is because drums and orchestral percussion are two different instruments, and of course it's true. But you could ask a great jazz drummer, and he/she probably wouldn't be able to play a Queen song aswell as Roger Taylor, no matter how much more technical skills he/she has. Believe me, I've seen it happen.
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While you're probably correct, you admit that classical percussionists require an "education that - in time - rivals that of a surgeon" whereas rock drummers only need "a basic grasp of style". Wouldn't that indicate that the percussionist could pick up rock pretty quickly, but not the other way round?
And I reckon the same is true with vocals! ;)
[b]Danne wrote: [/b]
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[b]rosedewitt wrote: [/b]
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[b]Serry Vietinhoff wrote: [/b]
Drummer from orchestra plays his easiest sounds, drummer from rock band plays hardest patterns. End of story.
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lol thanks for your amusing post!
but this one is wrong: just inform yourself, most of the patterns used in rock music are very easy to play for every drummer, besides if classical or rock education.
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I have to challenge this, because it's too ridiculous to remain unchallenged. :)
Handling the percussion instruments in an orchestra is of course not an easy task, especially if you look at music written since the end of the 19th century. You must have skill and technique aplenty, and you have to have an education that - in time - rivals that of a surgeon.
However, most classical percussionists can't play rock if their life depended on it. Sure, there are exceptions, but most of the time it sounds really bad. Does it mean they can't play the basic pattern a rock drummer does? No, of course not, since a standard rock pattern is quite straightforward. But - and this is a huge but - playing and singing music has to do with more than just getting the notes right, it has to do with stuff that is difficult to explain and analyze, it has to do with feel, a basic grip of style, etc. That's why I wouldn't want the timpanist from The Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra playing drums in Queen, because it would (in all probability) sound rather bad. The same is true the other way around, of course.
Now, you can argue that this is because drums and orchestral percussion are two different instruments, and of course it's true. But you could ask a great jazz drummer, and he/she probably wouldn't be able to play a Queen song aswell as Roger Taylor, no matter how much more technical skills he/she has. Believe me, I've seen it happen.
By the way, the same is true with vocals.[/QUOTE]
While you're probably correct, you admit that classical percussionists require an "education that - in time - rivals that of a surgeon" whereas rock drummers only need "a basic grasp of style". Wouldn't that indicate that the percussionist could pick up rock pretty quickly, but not the other way round?
And I reckon the same is true with vocals! ;)
I remember Rod Morgenstein (famous and respected jazz/fusion drummer from the Dixie Dregs) saying that when he joined the band Winger he really couldn't cope with a steady 4/4 type rock beat and really had to practice and practice to nail it.
This goes to show that you can have all the technique in the world, but it is actually a lot harder than people think to play 'rock'. Phil Rudd from AC/DC is a great example - Im sure that he would admit to not ever really playing anything fancy or complicated, but can anyone find the groove and hold the beat like he does? Very few
This goes to show that you can have all the technique in the world, but it is actually a lot harder than people think to play 'rock'. Phil Rudd from AC/DC is a great example - Im sure that he would admit to not ever really playing anything fancy or complicated, but can anyone find the groove and hold the beat like he does? Very few
I think Roger's voice is really beautiful. Maybe if you go by a checklist of what a 'good' vocalist should do he might not do as well as some, but I love his raspy voice, esp on songs like Drowse. I can't really imagine Drowse sung by anyone else, he gets the lazy, sleepy, half-nostalgic tone perfect. Even I'm in Love With My Car wouldn't have the same effect with a different voice. I've only heard Fun in Space, keep meaning to get his other solo albums, and although I know people who just about can't stand to listen to it, most of the vocals are great. Hard to tell if smoking changed his voice or not, he always sounded so raspy. Maybe it affected his speaking voice a bit, but his singing is still great, I'd just put any change down to age.
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Also, once you get high enough (as Roger can/could), then timbre really becomes less of an issue. For example, the high Bb5 of Bohemian Rhapsody sounds great, and is done with vibrato, which I have found makes it harder (though I may be in the minority on this). I haven't listened to very many songs where Roger sings lead in, but from what I have heard, I believe he has the technical and emotional ability associated with good singing, even if a naturally raspy voice makes it harder to convey varied emotions.
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I was just looking at this thinking 'Why would being high make the quality of someone's voice less of an issue? Less of an issue to the person who's high, I understand, but that wouldn't change the quality of the recording, or make a long term difference to your opinion... then the penny dropped! :)
Also, once you get high enough (as Roger can/could), then timbre really becomes less of an issue. For example, the high Bb5 of Bohemian Rhapsody sounds great, and is done with vibrato, which I have found makes it harder (though I may be in the minority on this). I haven't listened to very many songs where Roger sings lead in, but from what I have heard, I believe he has the technical and emotional ability associated with good singing, even if a naturally raspy voice makes it harder to convey varied emotions.
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I was just looking at this thinking 'Why would being high make the quality of someone's voice less of an issue? Less of an issue to the person who's high, I understand, but that wouldn't change the quality of the recording, or make a long term difference to your opinion... then the penny dropped! :)