[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]you_rock_my_socks06 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Why does an arguement have to break out into every single thread? Can't we all just be happy lol[/QUOTE]
I agree! The poor person who wanted his/her simple question answered ended up getting a debate turned arguement over how good Roger is at singing. We're all die hard Queen fans, lets just drop the arguements and answer the question. Everyone has their opinion, but can't we just be nice and help this person out?
Now, I'm going to leave my opinion. I don't care if all of you tear and rip me apart. I think that Roger has a damn good singing voice!! It takes a lot of talent for a man to sing and hit very high falsettos on pitch. I asked my dad if he could hit those falsettos in Bo Rap, because he used to sing, and he said that he couldn't and that it takes a man with lots of talent to hit those notes on pitch. My Music teacher also said the same thing. Hell, I even tried to match Roger during that operatic section in Bo Rap while singing along and I can't do it. I have to sing the lower parts. So, say what you want. Roger is a good singer!!!
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i think you are the person which can't accept the others opinion, i really don't care whether you like rogers voice or not, he'd better shut his mouth, but ok when there are really people who like his voice they shall listen to him, - at least i don't have to do it.
and again: this got off topic, what we can do is
-start a new thread "arguements: is roger taylor a professionell singer or not"
or
-let everybody have his opinion
or
-keep discussing in much more mindless posts on this boring thread which no one will ever read again.
and again: this got off topic, what we can do is
-start a new thread "arguements: is roger taylor a professionell singer or not"
or
-let everybody have his opinion
or
-keep discussing in much more mindless posts on this boring thread which no one will ever read again.
i think roger got a sweet voice and i hope he not a smoker for his childrens sake.
"i think you are the person which can't accept the others opinion"
I can't see opinion here. All what I can see is that you don't like Roger and his voice and how you're hardly trying to force us to do the same because there's Pavarotti. Where's an opinion?!
"at least i don't have to do it."
At least you have to do it - he sings on half of Queen albums.
"-start a new thread "arguements: is roger taylor a professionell singer or not"
Rock music is not professional music, Freddie is not professional vocalist (he was a professional designer) as well as Roger is not professional drummer. Rock music is amateur music, this is why all your so-called professional words and arguements doesn't work here. Try to deal with that fact.
I can't see opinion here. All what I can see is that you don't like Roger and his voice and how you're hardly trying to force us to do the same because there's Pavarotti. Where's an opinion?!
"at least i don't have to do it."
At least you have to do it - he sings on half of Queen albums.
"-start a new thread "arguements: is roger taylor a professionell singer or not"
Rock music is not professional music, Freddie is not professional vocalist (he was a professional designer) as well as Roger is not professional drummer. Rock music is amateur music, this is why all your so-called professional words and arguements doesn't work here. Try to deal with that fact.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]rosedewitt wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]jeroen wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And agreed that he never was the worlds greatest vocalist to begin with. (But at least better then Brian and it DOES sound good, which is good enough to speak of a 'voice'). Apart from that... I yawn again at almost everything rosedewit says...
But please DO tell us what you make of the sound that is being orally produced by Paul Rodgers and Ronnie James Dio? (I dare not call them 'voices' before I read your thoughts on them)[/QUOTE]
i guess you're not really interested in my opinion about their voices but just want me to say that i don't like them. well i won't say whether i like their voices or not because the topic is about rogers voice. start a new one and maybe i'll post my opinion. [/QUOTE]
No, dear, I am trying to find the edge of your theory. Cause like other people said, it seems like to you only operettic voices are proper 'voices' - which is of course bull.
Just want to check if two of the technically best and strongest pairs of lungs in rock history live up to your expectations.
(And btw: I'm not interestid in you LIKING them, you're right about that. I'm interested if you believe that they are good and are proper 'voices' in YOUR sence of the word. If this discussion was about LIKING someone's voice we would not be having this discussion at all. Most of us LIKE Roger's voice - which is something else then knowing he is or not a technically good vocalist.)
And 'no' I will not start a new threat. One of the most annoying things on the internetboards is people starting new topics with something that is actually a reply to another one.
If we all would do this then by now we would have all different topics about Rod Steward, Janis Joplin, Pavarotti, Caballe and all the other singers mentioned in this threat.
Oh and: this topic was about the question if smoking had affected Roger's voice.
Why didn't YOU start a new threat with the title 'Roger does not have a voice'?
But please DO tell us what you make of the sound that is being orally produced by Paul Rodgers and Ronnie James Dio? (I dare not call them 'voices' before I read your thoughts on them)[/QUOTE]
i guess you're not really interested in my opinion about their voices but just want me to say that i don't like them. well i won't say whether i like their voices or not because the topic is about rogers voice. start a new one and maybe i'll post my opinion. [/QUOTE]
No, dear, I am trying to find the edge of your theory. Cause like other people said, it seems like to you only operettic voices are proper 'voices' - which is of course bull.
Just want to check if two of the technically best and strongest pairs of lungs in rock history live up to your expectations.
(And btw: I'm not interestid in you LIKING them, you're right about that. I'm interested if you believe that they are good and are proper 'voices' in YOUR sence of the word. If this discussion was about LIKING someone's voice we would not be having this discussion at all. Most of us LIKE Roger's voice - which is something else then knowing he is or not a technically good vocalist.)
And 'no' I will not start a new threat. One of the most annoying things on the internetboards is people starting new topics with something that is actually a reply to another one.
If we all would do this then by now we would have all different topics about Rod Steward, Janis Joplin, Pavarotti, Caballe and all the other singers mentioned in this threat.
Oh and: this topic was about the question if smoking had affected Roger's voice.
Why didn't YOU start a new threat with the title 'Roger does not have a voice'?
I love reading jeroen's replies! They always are like a live organism - you never know how many times he'll click "Edit" button. You may come back after 5 mins and it'll be a little bit different, then again after 5 mins it'll totally different and in the end it will be "Sorry, I clicked the wrong button". Man, you're guru of the replying technology! :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]rocks. wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I LOVE roger's voice, I think he did a great job on the tours. I dont think smoking has changed it to much, it still sounds great to me. Say It's Not True is great live, I like his live voice alot.[/QUOTE]
In addition to I'm In Love With My Car, I think Say It's Not True is Roger's signature song. No one could do it better. I turn into a sobbing mess whenever I hear it. (Anyone who has gotten bad news about a loved one can relate to it.) The raspiness makes it all the more poignant. I think Queen used Roger's and Brian's voices well -- enough but not too often. I think Brian does a much better job on 39 than Freddie. I love Roger and Brian, but there is no way I would want to sit through a concert with either being the lead singer. Would anyone care to list Roger's solo songs over the Queen years and what cd/dvd they are on. As far as defining "professional," promoters loved them because, "They always delivered." It was the whole package - the talents, the songs, the costumes, the incredible stage lighting, the videos, the extraordinary attention to detail. "Professional" is most certainly not limited to classical music genres. It spans all vocations -- journalists, electricians, Sesame Street productions, etc. Queen and professional belong in the same sentence.
In addition to I'm In Love With My Car, I think Say It's Not True is Roger's signature song. No one could do it better. I turn into a sobbing mess whenever I hear it. (Anyone who has gotten bad news about a loved one can relate to it.) The raspiness makes it all the more poignant. I think Queen used Roger's and Brian's voices well -- enough but not too often. I think Brian does a much better job on 39 than Freddie. I love Roger and Brian, but there is no way I would want to sit through a concert with either being the lead singer. Would anyone care to list Roger's solo songs over the Queen years and what cd/dvd they are on. As far as defining "professional," promoters loved them because, "They always delivered." It was the whole package - the talents, the songs, the costumes, the incredible stage lighting, the videos, the extraordinary attention to detail. "Professional" is most certainly not limited to classical music genres. It spans all vocations -- journalists, electricians, Sesame Street productions, etc. Queen and professional belong in the same sentence.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry Vietinhoff wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I love reading jeroen's replies! They always are like a live organism - you never know how many times he'll click "Edit" button. You may come back after 5 mins and it'll be a little bit different, then again after 5 mins it'll totally different and in the end it will be "Sorry, I clicked the wrong button". Man, you're guru of the replying technology! :)[/QUOTE]
LOL - thank you Serry, but... I did not edit this post! :-)))
LOL - thank you Serry, but... I did not edit this post! :-)))
i'm getting bored on that discussion, so that will be my last post on this thread.
why do you think rock music can't be done profesionell? i think it can, but of course not with lead singers like roger taylor..
there are some voices i really like in rock music (leonard cohen, art garfunkel, mariah carey, for example), and there are many voices in opera music i don't like (pavarotti, freni, for example), but that doesn't mean that cohen has a great voice and pavarotti has a bad voice, - it's only my opinion about their voices. it's not like this that i like every opera singer and hate every rockstar, - maybe you want me to be like this that your arguments against me are established. it's really not too hard to understand that i am talking about my opinion all the time, so i don't understand why you don't get it... or you don't want to get it, - because you really can't be so stupid...
well, that's what i have to say, i don't like rogers voice because he can't sing, but in the background of queen songs it is bearable. you won't assess me that i only like opera singers, because that's idiotic. and last but not least i don't care what do you think about me or my opinion or whatever, i am posting my opinion wherever i like and if you don't want to read it well then don't read it.
i don't want to be bothered with your mindless posts in this thread so i won't visit that topic anymore. now write/do/discuss in here whatever you like, i won't read or comment it.
why do you think rock music can't be done profesionell? i think it can, but of course not with lead singers like roger taylor..
there are some voices i really like in rock music (leonard cohen, art garfunkel, mariah carey, for example), and there are many voices in opera music i don't like (pavarotti, freni, for example), but that doesn't mean that cohen has a great voice and pavarotti has a bad voice, - it's only my opinion about their voices. it's not like this that i like every opera singer and hate every rockstar, - maybe you want me to be like this that your arguments against me are established. it's really not too hard to understand that i am talking about my opinion all the time, so i don't understand why you don't get it... or you don't want to get it, - because you really can't be so stupid...
well, that's what i have to say, i don't like rogers voice because he can't sing, but in the background of queen songs it is bearable. you won't assess me that i only like opera singers, because that's idiotic. and last but not least i don't care what do you think about me or my opinion or whatever, i am posting my opinion wherever i like and if you don't want to read it well then don't read it.
i don't want to be bothered with your mindless posts in this thread so i won't visit that topic anymore. now write/do/discuss in here whatever you like, i won't read or comment it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]rosedewitt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
there are some voices i really like in rock music (leonard cohen, art garfunkel, mariah carey, for example) [/QUOTE]
Those are the greatest rock stars ever. Especially Carey. Yeah... You should learn more and more about rock music before giving advices to Roger about his mouth...
Calling me as the author of stupid and mindless posts is the best arguement which I so like! It happens all the time on QZ... Sadly...
there are some voices i really like in rock music (leonard cohen, art garfunkel, mariah carey, for example) [/QUOTE]
Those are the greatest rock stars ever. Especially Carey. Yeah... You should learn more and more about rock music before giving advices to Roger about his mouth...
Calling me as the author of stupid and mindless posts is the best arguement which I so like! It happens all the time on QZ... Sadly...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]rosedewitt wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]jeroen wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And agreed that he never was the worlds greatest vocalist to begin with. (But at least better then Brian and it DOES sound good, which is good enough to speak of a 'voice'). Apart from that... I yawn again at almost everything rosedewit says...
But please DO tell us what you make of the sound that is being orally produced by Paul Rodgers and Ronnie James Dio? (I dare not call them 'voices' before I read your thoughts on them)[/QUOTE]
i guess you're not really interested in my opinion about their voices but just want me to say that i don't like them. well i won't say whether i like their voices or not because the topic is about rogers voice. start a new one and maybe i'll post my opinion. [/QUOTE] I know you said your done with this topic, but I mostly agree with you. Roger has an ok voice, but he's kind of a poor mans rod steward or david bowie. unoriginal in the vocals department. For the record, ronnie dio is easily better than roger as a vocalist, as is paul rodgers. He does sing the heavier songs better than brian, but brian is better at ballads. All in all, roger is nothing better than a c level vocalist. decent, but not great.
But please DO tell us what you make of the sound that is being orally produced by Paul Rodgers and Ronnie James Dio? (I dare not call them 'voices' before I read your thoughts on them)[/QUOTE]
i guess you're not really interested in my opinion about their voices but just want me to say that i don't like them. well i won't say whether i like their voices or not because the topic is about rogers voice. start a new one and maybe i'll post my opinion. [/QUOTE] I know you said your done with this topic, but I mostly agree with you. Roger has an ok voice, but he's kind of a poor mans rod steward or david bowie. unoriginal in the vocals department. For the record, ronnie dio is easily better than roger as a vocalist, as is paul rodgers. He does sing the heavier songs better than brian, but brian is better at ballads. All in all, roger is nothing better than a c level vocalist. decent, but not great.
*waves @ Serry*
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mike hunt wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]rosedewitt wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]jeroen wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And agreed that he never was the worlds greatest vocalist to begin with. (But at least better then Brian and it DOES sound good, which is good enough to speak of a 'voice'). Apart from that... I yawn again at almost everything rosedewit says...
But please DO tell us what you make of the sound that is being orally produced by Paul Rodgers and Ronnie James Dio? (I dare not call them 'voices' before I read your thoughts on them)[/QUOTE]
i guess you're not really interested in my opinion about their voices but just want me to say that i don't like them. well i won't say whether i like their voices or not because the topic is about rogers voice. start a new one and maybe i'll post my opinion. [/QUOTE] I know you said your done with this topic, but I mostly agree with you. Roger has an ok voice, but he's kind of a poor mans rod steward or david bowie. unoriginal in the vocals department. For the record, ronnie dio is easily better than roger as a vocalist, as is paul rodgers. He does sing the heavier songs better than brian, but brian is better at ballads. All in all, roger is nothing better than a c level vocalist. decent, but not great.[/QUOTE]
I've gotta agree with Mike.
But please DO tell us what you make of the sound that is being orally produced by Paul Rodgers and Ronnie James Dio? (I dare not call them 'voices' before I read your thoughts on them)[/QUOTE]
i guess you're not really interested in my opinion about their voices but just want me to say that i don't like them. well i won't say whether i like their voices or not because the topic is about rogers voice. start a new one and maybe i'll post my opinion. [/QUOTE] I know you said your done with this topic, but I mostly agree with you. Roger has an ok voice, but he's kind of a poor mans rod steward or david bowie. unoriginal in the vocals department. For the record, ronnie dio is easily better than roger as a vocalist, as is paul rodgers. He does sing the heavier songs better than brian, but brian is better at ballads. All in all, roger is nothing better than a c level vocalist. decent, but not great.[/QUOTE]
I've gotta agree with Mike.
it all depends who you are comparing him to. Roger was in a band with Freddie Mercury. you're not of to a good start there
roger is not in the league with freddie and paul rodgers (or Dio for that matter) - but he is still a good singer. he can carry a tune, in addition to the sharpness in his voice - this makes him, in my book, a good singer.
His vocals on I'm in love with my car, The looser in the end, tenement funster etc are all good vocals. also, check out his cover of Rock and Roll...
his harmonies are superb, and he was able to hit some incredible notes. even though he has lost some of his falsetto, his voice is still strong. probably stronger than ever. his vocals was a major part of the Q&PR tour. listen to when they played hammer to fall and I want it all without paul rodgers. it still sounds alot better than The BRian May band - and that's due not only to Roger's drumming, but vocals as well
(he did a superb job on the bridge in hammer to fall!)
to call roger a medicore singer is b****hit. most singers are medicore compared to Freddie Mercury (and Paul Rodgers..) but freddie was superhuman in the vocal department - at least in the rock/pop category (heck, who else could have done barcelona..)
both Brian and Paul Rodgers have gone on the record saying Roger is a very good singer. both of them should know what they're talking about. Brian worked with the world's greatest singer for 20 years, and Paul is regarded as one of the best singers in the world. so my guess is that they know what they're talking about
of you don't like Roger's voice, fine - but don't call him a medicore singer
I don't like Mariah Carey's voice, can't stand her in fact, but that doesn't make her a bad singer. far from it
roger is not in the league with freddie and paul rodgers (or Dio for that matter) - but he is still a good singer. he can carry a tune, in addition to the sharpness in his voice - this makes him, in my book, a good singer.
His vocals on I'm in love with my car, The looser in the end, tenement funster etc are all good vocals. also, check out his cover of Rock and Roll...
his harmonies are superb, and he was able to hit some incredible notes. even though he has lost some of his falsetto, his voice is still strong. probably stronger than ever. his vocals was a major part of the Q&PR tour. listen to when they played hammer to fall and I want it all without paul rodgers. it still sounds alot better than The BRian May band - and that's due not only to Roger's drumming, but vocals as well
(he did a superb job on the bridge in hammer to fall!)
to call roger a medicore singer is b****hit. most singers are medicore compared to Freddie Mercury (and Paul Rodgers..) but freddie was superhuman in the vocal department - at least in the rock/pop category (heck, who else could have done barcelona..)
both Brian and Paul Rodgers have gone on the record saying Roger is a very good singer. both of them should know what they're talking about. Brian worked with the world's greatest singer for 20 years, and Paul is regarded as one of the best singers in the world. so my guess is that they know what they're talking about
of you don't like Roger's voice, fine - but don't call him a medicore singer
I don't like Mariah Carey's voice, can't stand her in fact, but that doesn't make her a bad singer. far from it
medicore doesn't mean bad. I like some of his vocals, "say it's not true" was a good vocal performance, but loser in the end wasn't very good. If people like freddie, plant, rodgers, dio were the A list type singers, what would that make roger?...a B- or a C level singer?...I think so.