[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
And people say history doesn't repeat itself. [/QUOTE]
No they don't. It's a well-known, commonly accepted fact that history repeats itself, now.[/QUOTE]
Apparantly you've never met the history prof I work under at CMU...he's adamant that it doesn't.
And I've heard people say before that it doesn't, but they are full of crap
:-)[/QUOTE]
Haha, very true. Well, technically, history does not literally repeat itself...otherwise it wouldn't be "history." But the basic themes of human nature will always present themselves until the end of our very existence.[/QUOTE]
You misunderstand something (hey, it's something new this time!) here. It is not a case of repetition, it's a case action->reaction. In the case of certain actions, reactions roughly follow a similar pattern. However, as circumstances and the 'human factor' are never identical, there is no such thing as a mathematical repetition, nor anything close enough to be branded as such. History never repeats itself, people just act like people.
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Both of you guys are the most politcally biased people on this message board. No doubt about it.
About handing Saddam Hussein to the new Iraqi government, that's just a minor thing compared to Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo. Besides, Saddam Hussein deserved to pay for all his crimes.
About handing Saddam Hussein to the new Iraqi government, that's just a minor thing compared to Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo. Besides, Saddam Hussein deserved to pay for all his crimes.
As medieval as the rest of them. If you tolerate this, you have no right to point the finger at Guantanamo. One crime is as evil as the other.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
And people say history doesn't repeat itself. [/QUOTE]
No they don't. It's a well-known, commonly accepted fact that history repeats itself, now.[/QUOTE]
Apparantly you've never met the history prof I work under at CMU...he's adamant that it doesn't.
And I've heard people say before that it doesn't, but they are full of crap
:-)[/QUOTE]
Haha, very true. Well, technically, history does not literally repeat itself...otherwise it wouldn't be "history." But the basic themes of human nature will always present themselves until the end of our very existence.[/QUOTE]
You misunderstand something (hey, it's something new this time!) here. It is not a case of repetition, it's a case action->reaction. In the case of certain actions, reactions roughly follow a similar pattern. However, as circumstances and the 'human factor' are never identical, there is no such thing as a mathematical repetition, nor anything close enough to be branded as such. History never repeats itself, people just act like people.[/QUOTE]
:-) I am aware that history doesn't literally repeat itself. There is no possible way that could happen, ever. But I agree 100% with Caspar and MusicMan on the idea of patterns. Really, all this demonstrates is how little humans have changed over the intervening centuries, between the collapse of the Roman Empire and the decline of America. You have something that people love this much, and put their heart and souls and lives into it. It is the dominant force in the world for a while, and you get spoiled into thinking it will always be that way. The whole system starts to go down the tubes, and people grab on even tighter, put their gaurds up and get all aggressive and defensive to any criticism.
As goes Rome, so goes the US. The same general reaction to the same pattern of events, only this time we have the techonology to destroy the world with it. Yipee
And people say history doesn't repeat itself. [/QUOTE]
No they don't. It's a well-known, commonly accepted fact that history repeats itself, now.[/QUOTE]
Apparantly you've never met the history prof I work under at CMU...he's adamant that it doesn't.
And I've heard people say before that it doesn't, but they are full of crap
:-)[/QUOTE]
Haha, very true. Well, technically, history does not literally repeat itself...otherwise it wouldn't be "history." But the basic themes of human nature will always present themselves until the end of our very existence.[/QUOTE]
You misunderstand something (hey, it's something new this time!) here. It is not a case of repetition, it's a case action->reaction. In the case of certain actions, reactions roughly follow a similar pattern. However, as circumstances and the 'human factor' are never identical, there is no such thing as a mathematical repetition, nor anything close enough to be branded as such. History never repeats itself, people just act like people.[/QUOTE]
:-) I am aware that history doesn't literally repeat itself. There is no possible way that could happen, ever. But I agree 100% with Caspar and MusicMan on the idea of patterns. Really, all this demonstrates is how little humans have changed over the intervening centuries, between the collapse of the Roman Empire and the decline of America. You have something that people love this much, and put their heart and souls and lives into it. It is the dominant force in the world for a while, and you get spoiled into thinking it will always be that way. The whole system starts to go down the tubes, and people grab on even tighter, put their gaurds up and get all aggressive and defensive to any criticism.
As goes Rome, so goes the US. The same general reaction to the same pattern of events, only this time we have the techonology to destroy the world with it. Yipee
"There is no possible way that could happen, ever"
Sure it did!
George Bush.... Gulf War.
George Bush.... Gulf War.
If Jeb changes his name to George, we'll probably have a hat trick sometime in the future!
Sure it did!
George Bush.... Gulf War.
George Bush.... Gulf War.
If Jeb changes his name to George, we'll probably have a hat trick sometime in the future!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Both of you guys are the most politcally biased people on this message board. No doubt about it.[/QUOTE]
Huh? Me? Judging from positioning, it seems directed at me, but logically it does not seem consistent...so I'm just checking to clear this up.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
You misunderstand something (hey, it's something new this time!) here. It is not a case of repetition, it's a case action->reaction. In the case of certain actions, reactions roughly follow a similar pattern. However, as circumstances and the 'human factor' are never identical, there is no such thing as a mathematical repetition, nor anything close enough to be branded as such. History never repeats itself, people just act like people.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if you were correcting me, adding to what I said, or replying directly to CMU...but just so we're on the same page: you did pretty much elaborate on what I said, and our two posts were parallel and said the same thing, yes?
Huh? Me? Judging from positioning, it seems directed at me, but logically it does not seem consistent...so I'm just checking to clear this up.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
You misunderstand something (hey, it's something new this time!) here. It is not a case of repetition, it's a case action->reaction. In the case of certain actions, reactions roughly follow a similar pattern. However, as circumstances and the 'human factor' are never identical, there is no such thing as a mathematical repetition, nor anything close enough to be branded as such. History never repeats itself, people just act like people.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if you were correcting me, adding to what I said, or replying directly to CMU...but just so we're on the same page: you did pretty much elaborate on what I said, and our two posts were parallel and said the same thing, yes?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
You misunderstand something (hey, it's something new this time!) here. It is not a case of repetition, it's a case action->reaction. In the case of certain actions, reactions roughly follow a similar pattern. However, as circumstances and the 'human factor' are never identical, there is no such thing as a mathematical repetition, nor anything close enough to be branded as such. History never repeats itself, people just act like people.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if you were correcting me, adding to what I said, or replying directly to CMU...but just so we're on the same page: you did pretty much elaborate on what I said, and our two posts were parallel and said the same thing, yes?[/QUOTE]
I agreed with your content, not with your phrasing. The way you put it, you implied mathematical repetition, not sequential similarity. So yes, I was criticizing YOU. Not for your ideas (that's why it was a new criticism), but for incorrect language.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
You misunderstand something (hey, it's something new this time!) here. It is not a case of repetition, it's a case action->reaction. In the case of certain actions, reactions roughly follow a similar pattern. However, as circumstances and the 'human factor' are never identical, there is no such thing as a mathematical repetition, nor anything close enough to be branded as such. History never repeats itself, people just act like people.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if you were correcting me, adding to what I said, or replying directly to CMU...but just so we're on the same page: you did pretty much elaborate on what I said, and our two posts were parallel and said the same thing, yes?[/QUOTE]
I agreed with your content, not with your phrasing. The way you put it, you implied mathematical repetition, not sequential similarity. So yes, I was criticizing YOU. Not for your ideas (that's why it was a new criticism), but for incorrect language.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
You misunderstand something (hey, it's something new this time!) here. It is not a case of repetition, it's a case action->reaction. In the case of certain actions, reactions roughly follow a similar pattern. However, as circumstances and the 'human factor' are never identical, there is no such thing as a mathematical repetition, nor anything close enough to be branded as such. History never repeats itself, people just act like people.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if you were correcting me, adding to what I said, or replying directly to CMU...but just so we're on the same page: you did pretty much elaborate on what I said, and our two posts were parallel and said the same thing, yes?[/QUOTE]
I agreed with your content, not with your phrasing. The way you put it, you implied mathematical repetition, not sequential similarity. So yes, I was criticizing YOU. Not for your ideas (that's why it was a new criticism), but for incorrect language.[/QUOTE]
Ah, I apologize for being unclear. What I meant was basically what you said...that history cannot literally be repeated due to inherent circumstantial differences and such. Rather, that human nature remains consistent.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
You misunderstand something (hey, it's something new this time!) here. It is not a case of repetition, it's a case action->reaction. In the case of certain actions, reactions roughly follow a similar pattern. However, as circumstances and the 'human factor' are never identical, there is no such thing as a mathematical repetition, nor anything close enough to be branded as such. History never repeats itself, people just act like people.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if you were correcting me, adding to what I said, or replying directly to CMU...but just so we're on the same page: you did pretty much elaborate on what I said, and our two posts were parallel and said the same thing, yes?[/QUOTE]
I agreed with your content, not with your phrasing. The way you put it, you implied mathematical repetition, not sequential similarity. So yes, I was criticizing YOU. Not for your ideas (that's why it was a new criticism), but for incorrect language.[/QUOTE]
Ah, I apologize for being unclear. What I meant was basically what you said...that history cannot literally be repeated due to inherent circumstantial differences and such. Rather, that human nature remains consistent.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]By handing a POW (Saddam Hussein) over to a nation where he was to be executed, the US has violated the 3rd Geneva Convention.
For this there is no excuse. President George W. Bush and the supreme commander of US Armed Forces in Iraq are now both officially war criminals.
Anyone now defending Bush' practices is no better than a holocaust-denier.[/QUOTE]
i think ive seen you rant on just about everything now.
For this there is no excuse. President George W. Bush and the supreme commander of US Armed Forces in Iraq are now both officially war criminals.
Anyone now defending Bush' practices is no better than a holocaust-denier.[/QUOTE]
i think ive seen you rant on just about everything now.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]By handing a POW (Saddam Hussein) over to a nation where he was to be executed, the US has violated the 3rd Geneva Convention.
Anyone now defending Bush' practices is no better than a holocaust-denier.[/QUOTE]
And you need THIS to NOW realise that?!?
Children being killed every day in the name of "freedom" and "democracy" is not reason enough for average American to realise that his country's foreign policy is only step away from Hitler's Germany?
Is it a bit strange to average American that his army is on the OTHER side of the globe?
What? Someone mentioned Vietnam?
Anyone now defending Bush' practices is no better than a holocaust-denier.[/QUOTE]
And you need THIS to NOW realise that?!?
Children being killed every day in the name of "freedom" and "democracy" is not reason enough for average American to realise that his country's foreign policy is only step away from Hitler's Germany?
Is it a bit strange to average American that his army is on the OTHER side of the globe?
What? Someone mentioned Vietnam?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Xcess wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]By handing a POW (Saddam Hussein) over to a nation where he was to be executed, the US has violated the 3rd Geneva Convention.
Anyone now defending Bush' practices is no better than a holocaust-denier.[/QUOTE]
And you need THIS to NOW realise that?!?
Children being killed every day in the name of "freedom" and "democracy" is not reason enough for average American to realise that his country's foreign policy is only step away from Hitler's Germany?
Is it a bit strange to average American that his army is on the OTHER side of the globe?
What? Someone mentioned Vietnam?[/QUOTE]
If you'd have paid attention, I have been pointing out the illegality and immorality of this war all along. However, now the Americans have committed a war-crime PUBLICALLY, they cannot deny it, and they stand by it. That makes a slight difference.
Anyone now defending Bush' practices is no better than a holocaust-denier.[/QUOTE]
And you need THIS to NOW realise that?!?
Children being killed every day in the name of "freedom" and "democracy" is not reason enough for average American to realise that his country's foreign policy is only step away from Hitler's Germany?
Is it a bit strange to average American that his army is on the OTHER side of the globe?
What? Someone mentioned Vietnam?[/QUOTE]
If you'd have paid attention, I have been pointing out the illegality and immorality of this war all along. However, now the Americans have committed a war-crime PUBLICALLY, they cannot deny it, and they stand by it. That makes a slight difference.
Sorry, my comment is not really pointed at YOU, although it seems like it is.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Both of you guys are the most politcally biased people on this message board. No doubt about it.[/QUOTE]
Huh? Me? Judging from positioning, it seems directed at me, but logically it does not seem consistent...so I'm just checking to clear this up.[/QUOTE]
Nope it's not you.
You're actually one of the best debaters on this message board. Just to clarify things let me just say that you're not the one accusing Democrats of things they haven't done yet.
Huh? Me? Judging from positioning, it seems directed at me, but logically it does not seem consistent...so I'm just checking to clear this up.[/QUOTE]
Nope it's not you.
You're actually one of the best debaters on this message board. Just to clarify things let me just say that you're not the one accusing Democrats of things they haven't done yet.
If it were up to me I'd recall every U.S soldier from around the world so that every country can fend for themselves. Thats what everyone wants, right?
TQ, you're a nutjob. That's all I wish to say.