[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
and she should have to live with the fact that she willingly allowed herself to be videotaped giving oral sex.[/QUOTE]
Odds on she was drunk and/or high when she was videotaped. [/QUOTE]
If they got her drunk just to have oral sex - that's wrong and that should be punished (though I don't know what the sentence would be).
But if they were all in it together - knowing they were going to get wasted and have a "party" at the motel, and it was her choice, though perhaps not the best choice, and she should learn from it and move on - even if she regretted it (of course, the age of consent legal punishment would still hold).
I don't know... I can see that point that she was under age - and MAYBE another year would have made a difference in her judgement... : /
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]C) I stand by my assertion that if one knowingly breaks a law and is fully aware of its consequences, regardless of how illogical a law is, then he hardly deserves my sympathy. The only exception I can think of is if a law SIGNIFICANTLY infringes upon one's natural rights. Preventing teenagers from performing sexual activities, while an infringement of somebody's rights, is hardly significant.[/QUOTE]
I see your point, and it makes perfect sense to me logically, but some part of me still feels it's silly for the law to punish a 17-year-old for sexual actions with a 15-year-old.
It's not really that significant, but unless she was unusually undeveloped, I see this as a case of two teens doing what hormones tell them is a great idea (unless they got her drunk) - something they and their parents should deal with and not a court. Unless I'm overlooking something, which is entirely possible.
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This is complete bullshit. The law needs to be lenient when both parties are under 18. There are many principles of law which state that a person has to have knowledge that they're doing something wrong in order for it to be a crime.
Not only have they ruined a young man's life, they've wasted money and invested time that could have gone to lock up some scum who is truly a danger to minors.
Even worse is that they've taken an innocent guy and put him in an environment where he's most likely going to learn to become a real criminal when he gets out.
Nice work.
Not only have they ruined a young man's life, they've wasted money and invested time that could have gone to lock up some scum who is truly a danger to minors.
Even worse is that they've taken an innocent guy and put him in an environment where he's most likely going to learn to become a real criminal when he gets out.
Nice work.
Yes this is totally fucked up. But TQ, quit talking shit about 'us', we as people are NOT responsible for everything that happens, ok? You sound like Osama! Just because we live here, does not mean we agree. Good day bro.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Crezchi wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Yes this is totally fucked up. But TQ, quit talking shit about 'us', we as people are NOT responsible for everything that happens, ok? You sound like Osama! Just because we live here, does not mean we agree. Good day bro.[/QUOTE]
No way, bro. For the last 80 years all Russians are responsible for invasion of Afghanistan, for communism, for the black holes in the outer space.... Now it's your turn, guys, enjoy!
No way, bro. For the last 80 years all Russians are responsible for invasion of Afghanistan, for communism, for the black holes in the outer space.... Now it's your turn, guys, enjoy!
The law system in the USA is incredibly stupid. Everybody knows that but the lawyers lobby in USA is incredibly strong and it won't improve in the future I guess.
That however doesn't mean that the whole country is bad. Americans should trash their laws and educational system while Europe should learn from America above all when it comes to business issues (founding a company in our country takes about 40 days - if you're very lucky!). Also people in the USA generally seem to be friendly while Europe is full of envy.
That however doesn't mean that the whole country is bad. Americans should trash their laws and educational system while Europe should learn from America above all when it comes to business issues (founding a company in our country takes about 40 days - if you're very lucky!). Also people in the USA generally seem to be friendly while Europe is full of envy.
You know what really makes me sick? Over here you'd get the same ammount of time for murder. It's a bloody joke!
Until a couple of years ago you would go to jail for being gay in my beloved country. Now they were thinking of legalizing same sex marriage, but the orthodox church started screaming and throwing crosses xD. It's really funny to live in Romania, you see all kinds of extremism - in the screaming about it form, coz we talk, we talk, but not a lot of action happens here... Althogh they did promulgate a law to stop the discrimination between the stallions and the mares while the country was under water.... :-) Man I love my country, it's so fun to live in!
On another side note, consensual sex while under the influence of alcohol or drugs should never be considered rape, unless the rapee (I suppose I made that word up) was unwillingly put under the influence by the rapist. However, when the rapee willingly gets drunk, and someone else takes advantage of that, both parties are equally at fault and no legal action should ever be taken or allowed.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Crezchi wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Yes this is totally fucked up. But TQ, quit talking shit about 'us', we as people are NOT responsible for everything that happens, ok? You sound like Osama! Just because we live here, does not mean we agree. Good day bro.[/QUOTE]
If I refer to the US and not to "the people of the US" that means I am speaking of THE GOVERNMENT. YES? If I say "The Netherlands" and not "The Dutch" I mean our GOVERNMENT? Is that so difficult to comprehend?!!
If I refer to the US and not to "the people of the US" that means I am speaking of THE GOVERNMENT. YES? If I say "The Netherlands" and not "The Dutch" I mean our GOVERNMENT? Is that so difficult to comprehend?!!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The prophet's song wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You know what really makes me sick? Over here you'd get the same ammount of time for murder. It's a bloody joke! [/QUOTE]
EXACTLY! That is the essence of the matter, whether he did something wrong or not, this sentence is a perversion of law!
EXACTLY! That is the essence of the matter, whether he did something wrong or not, this sentence is a perversion of law!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Crezchi wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Yes this is totally fucked up. But TQ, quit talking shit about 'us', we as people are NOT responsible for everything that happens, ok? You sound like Osama! Just because we live here, does not mean we agree. Good day bro.[/QUOTE]
If I refer to the US and not to "the people of the US" that means I am speaking of THE GOVERNMENT. YES? If I say "The Netherlands" and not "The Dutch" I mean our GOVERNMENT? Is that so difficult to comprehend?!![/QUOTE]
Perhaps it would make sense. However you contstantly point out faults with the US and barely mention anywhere else. Perhaps you just don't see it but you come across as HIGHLY anti-American.
If I refer to the US and not to "the people of the US" that means I am speaking of THE GOVERNMENT. YES? If I say "The Netherlands" and not "The Dutch" I mean our GOVERNMENT? Is that so difficult to comprehend?!![/QUOTE]
Perhaps it would make sense. However you contstantly point out faults with the US and barely mention anywhere else. Perhaps you just don't see it but you come across as HIGHLY anti-American.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
If I refer to the US and not to "the people of the US" that means I am speaking of THE GOVERNMENT. YES? If I say "The Netherlands" and not "The Dutch" I mean our GOVERNMENT? Is that so difficult to comprehend?!![/QUOTE]
Then you should also know that the Government of the United States has nothing to do with this court case. It is a state law, not federal.
If I refer to the US and not to "the people of the US" that means I am speaking of THE GOVERNMENT. YES? If I say "The Netherlands" and not "The Dutch" I mean our GOVERNMENT? Is that so difficult to comprehend?!![/QUOTE]
Then you should also know that the Government of the United States has nothing to do with this court case. It is a state law, not federal.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zeni wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
If I refer to the US and not to "the people of the US" that means I am speaking of THE GOVERNMENT. YES? If I say "The Netherlands" and not "The Dutch" I mean our GOVERNMENT? Is that so difficult to comprehend?!![/QUOTE]
Then you should also know that the Government of the United States has nothing to do with this court case. It is a state law, not federal. [/QUOTE]
Fine, let me rephrase: THE STATE OF GEORGIA is guilty of living in the 18th century.
If I refer to the US and not to "the people of the US" that means I am speaking of THE GOVERNMENT. YES? If I say "The Netherlands" and not "The Dutch" I mean our GOVERNMENT? Is that so difficult to comprehend?!![/QUOTE]
Then you should also know that the Government of the United States has nothing to do with this court case. It is a state law, not federal. [/QUOTE]
Fine, let me rephrase: THE STATE OF GEORGIA is guilty of living in the 18th century.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Fine, let me rephrase: THE STATE OF GEORGIA is guilty of living in the 18th century.[/QUOTE]
With regards to this law, I have to agree.
I just saw a piece on "Religion and Ethics". Never saw this show before, but I stopped on it when they mentioned Georgia's new sex offender laws.
They interviewed a woman who served time in jail (can't recall how much time) and is now and will be forever considered a sex offender. She has to register with the state and go for scheduled counseling until the day she dies. Not only that, but these new laws in Georgia extremely limit the areas where sex offenders can live, ie. not within 1,000 feet of a school bus stop, 1,000 feet of a church, school, playground, etc.
Now, maybe on the surface that sounds good because it's an attempt to keep children safe. However, when they showed the map indicating where these forbidden areas were, it was clear the people were simply not welcome anywhere within the state of Georgia.
This makes law enforcement personnel nervous. A sheriff they interviewed said the limited space these people are allowed to live in forces them into hiding. Chances are, they will stay in an area they are familiar with, but they won't register and they won't go for their 'treatments'.
Yet, it's the sheriff's responsibility to know where these people are. It exhausts the department's funds and personnel and has not been shown to keep children any safer than previous laws, especially since only about 10% of registered offenders are actual offenders.
10%.
One woman is now a registered offender because her underage daughter got pregnant and she (the mother) allowed her daughter's boyfriend to move into her house. Eventually, the young couple married, and the mother was arrested for a sexual offense. Her crime? Accomplice to statutory rape.
This law applies to ALL offenders regardless of age, offense or state of well-being. They mentioned three specific people on the list that are required to move or they will be imprisoned for up to 30 years. Of these three people, one is in hospice care and has six months to live, another is suffered a debilitating brain disease and the other is likewise unable to do harm to anyone. But it doesn't matter. The law applies to everyone - regardless of circumstance.
Back to the first woman I mentioned above. Not the mother, but the woman who did time and will now be a registered sex offender for life. You know what her crime was? At seventeen, she had oral sex with a sixteen year old classmate.
Thankfully, a wide range of people - law enforcement, the civil liberties union, some church spokesmen, and even victim's advocates groups - are trying to fight this law in the courts.
Fine, let me rephrase: THE STATE OF GEORGIA is guilty of living in the 18th century.[/QUOTE]
With regards to this law, I have to agree.
I just saw a piece on "Religion and Ethics". Never saw this show before, but I stopped on it when they mentioned Georgia's new sex offender laws.
They interviewed a woman who served time in jail (can't recall how much time) and is now and will be forever considered a sex offender. She has to register with the state and go for scheduled counseling until the day she dies. Not only that, but these new laws in Georgia extremely limit the areas where sex offenders can live, ie. not within 1,000 feet of a school bus stop, 1,000 feet of a church, school, playground, etc.
Now, maybe on the surface that sounds good because it's an attempt to keep children safe. However, when they showed the map indicating where these forbidden areas were, it was clear the people were simply not welcome anywhere within the state of Georgia.
This makes law enforcement personnel nervous. A sheriff they interviewed said the limited space these people are allowed to live in forces them into hiding. Chances are, they will stay in an area they are familiar with, but they won't register and they won't go for their 'treatments'.
Yet, it's the sheriff's responsibility to know where these people are. It exhausts the department's funds and personnel and has not been shown to keep children any safer than previous laws, especially since only about 10% of registered offenders are actual offenders.
10%.
One woman is now a registered offender because her underage daughter got pregnant and she (the mother) allowed her daughter's boyfriend to move into her house. Eventually, the young couple married, and the mother was arrested for a sexual offense. Her crime? Accomplice to statutory rape.
This law applies to ALL offenders regardless of age, offense or state of well-being. They mentioned three specific people on the list that are required to move or they will be imprisoned for up to 30 years. Of these three people, one is in hospice care and has six months to live, another is suffered a debilitating brain disease and the other is likewise unable to do harm to anyone. But it doesn't matter. The law applies to everyone - regardless of circumstance.
Back to the first woman I mentioned above. Not the mother, but the woman who did time and will now be a registered sex offender for life. You know what her crime was? At seventeen, she had oral sex with a sixteen year old classmate.
Thankfully, a wide range of people - law enforcement, the civil liberties union, some church spokesmen, and even victim's advocates groups - are trying to fight this law in the courts.