[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Indeed Steve wouldn't write 'High Hopes' or 'Show Must Go On', but when it comes to guitar playing he's much better than May and muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch better than Gilmour.
Even though David wasn't a first-class lyricist, he was a very good composer and arranger. He was much better at that than playing per se: the beauty of his solos is that they're well-written, but as you've implied, they're easy.
By the way, Hendrix is more overrated than all other guitarists combined. He was a legend and he inspired many people and he was creative and he was an all-round musician ... but when it comes solely to guitar-playing, there are many many many people who are much much much better.
And Eddie's extraordinary. He's much more than just tapping (which he didn't invent btw), and for me that's an actual guitar-god, which Jimi wasn't.
Page is a great guitarist and a wonderful arranger. As a songwriter ... well, quoting Stravinski: "a good composer doesn't imitate, he steals".
And even if Brian reinvents himself, that's nothing unique: every guitar legend reinvents himself (why isn't there a guitar goddess yet is betond me).[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you're right. Just like I said, Gilmour is not a great guitarist but he composes great music. The Comfortably Numb solo, IMO is superior to all the Stairway to Heaven solos put together because it's easier to play while being just as sophisticated. It sounds nice too.
Led Zeppelin's biggest steal was probably "Whole Lotta Love". Page and Plant were both geniuses, John Paul Jones as well but Bonham wasn't that great...he was the perfect drummer for Led Zeppelin and definitely a great drummer even if you subtract the other three from the combination but he doesn't serve much else... He's like Neil Peart, except half as intelligent and twice as wild.
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So you feel there is no emotion in the steve vai footage shown??
all I can say for sure is that the chordal piece at the end of Brians buckingham palace version of God save the Queen stole from Liberty by steve vai!
Emulation and respect from both parties I believe, steve vai is a seminal player, so is Brian for his harmony construction.
gotta love em both if you love music?
all I can say for sure is that the chordal piece at the end of Brians buckingham palace version of God save the Queen stole from Liberty by steve vai!
Emulation and respect from both parties I believe, steve vai is a seminal player, so is Brian for his harmony construction.
gotta love em both if you love music?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]He's fast, but he plays without any feeling.
Technique doesn't say shit[/QUOTE]
What???!? Are you high? Obviously you didn't watch the video I linked.
Technique doesn't say shit[/QUOTE]
What???!? Are you high? Obviously you didn't watch the video I linked.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]jeff payne wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But Steve hasn't got the Red special[/QUOTE]
Ding! We have a winner!
I'll go so far as to say Brian's solo's are more structurally perfected than Vai's(or anyone's for that matter), but what ends all debate is that old fireplace that hangs around his neck.
Ding! We have a winner!
I'll go so far as to say Brian's solo's are more structurally perfected than Vai's(or anyone's for that matter), but what ends all debate is that old fireplace that hangs around his neck.
The Red Special is overrated imo. It's a great instrument, but Brian could play well even if the RS didn't exist. I'm sure that Brian can take a Strat and a Marshall (the most usual combination) and still sound like himself. So it's not because of the Red Special, the sixpence, the treble booster or the modified echoplex, it's because of him.
Brian May! <3
Steve Vai! <3
Steve Vai! <3
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]teleman wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]teleman wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]PieterMC wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Steve Vai is certainly certainly a much better technical player but what I love about Brian is the emotion that he puts into his playing.[/QUOTE]and Steve doesn't?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say Steve Vai lacks emotion in his playing but it doesn't affect me the way some other musicians do. He is a monster player, no doubt, but I prefer Brian among others.[/QUOTE]Then that's YOUR problem, not Steve's.
It's not his fault that you don't understand his music.
Not everybody can enjoy something like the Fire Garden suite.[/QUOTE]
It's not a problem for anyone but you.
I remember buying Flexable on cassette when it came out and learning Little Green Men, Salamanders In The Sun, The Attitude Song and Call It Sleep. I was pointlessly impressed with myself.
Intellectually I understand his music but it just doesn't move me.
I'm sure Steve Vai is comfortable with that.
I'm comfortable with that.
The only person who seems to have a problem is you. I hope you can get help with that.
Music is subject to individual tastes. If we all liked the exact same music then music would be stagnant and we'd all still get a hard-on for some monkey beating a log with a rock.[/QUOTE]it's not just about "intellectually understanding" but about ACTUALLY understanding what did he mean with every part of the song.
The theory part just comes in when we want to know what is he doing, but for trying to understand what did he mean, we just have to LISTEN.
And I do understand him, because he makes it easy for us to understand the meaning and will of his music. Some people like you, think that as long as they can play The Animal or Erotic Nightmares, they understand his music.
PS: Sucker[/QUOTE]
All I said basically was that Vai wasn't my cup of tea. I've said nothing disparaging against him. I have the highest regard for Steve Vai as a man and a musician but it just ain't my thing.
Big Fucking Deal!
Where did I insult Steve Vai? Oh right, I didn't.
I wouldn't say Steve Vai lacks emotion in his playing but it doesn't affect me the way some other musicians do. He is a monster player, no doubt, but I prefer Brian among others.[/QUOTE]Then that's YOUR problem, not Steve's.
It's not his fault that you don't understand his music.
Not everybody can enjoy something like the Fire Garden suite.[/QUOTE]
It's not a problem for anyone but you.
I remember buying Flexable on cassette when it came out and learning Little Green Men, Salamanders In The Sun, The Attitude Song and Call It Sleep. I was pointlessly impressed with myself.
Intellectually I understand his music but it just doesn't move me.
I'm sure Steve Vai is comfortable with that.
I'm comfortable with that.
The only person who seems to have a problem is you. I hope you can get help with that.
Music is subject to individual tastes. If we all liked the exact same music then music would be stagnant and we'd all still get a hard-on for some monkey beating a log with a rock.[/QUOTE]it's not just about "intellectually understanding" but about ACTUALLY understanding what did he mean with every part of the song.
The theory part just comes in when we want to know what is he doing, but for trying to understand what did he mean, we just have to LISTEN.
And I do understand him, because he makes it easy for us to understand the meaning and will of his music. Some people like you, think that as long as they can play The Animal or Erotic Nightmares, they understand his music.
PS: Sucker[/QUOTE]
All I said basically was that Vai wasn't my cup of tea. I've said nothing disparaging against him. I have the highest regard for Steve Vai as a man and a musician but it just ain't my thing.
Big Fucking Deal!
Where did I insult Steve Vai? Oh right, I didn't.
LMAO
You're not that important, my friend
I have a WHOLE LOTTA things to do with my life, I wouldn't spend even a minute sending you an e-mail
so fuck you, you're just a dipshit
You're not that important, my friend
I have a WHOLE LOTTA things to do with my life, I wouldn't spend even a minute sending you an e-mail
so fuck you, you're just a dipshit
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]teleman wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If we all liked the exact same music then music would be stagnant and we'd all still get a hard-on for some monkey beating a log with a rock.[/QUOTE]Those were the days...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I can wipe you off the planet so watch your back loser[/QUOTE]
That isn't very nice but pretty funny.
That isn't very nice but pretty funny.
Okay, what I am about to say might come as a shock for some, if this hasn't already been pointed out in the thread.
Steve Vai is in fact... der String-Emil!
Seriously, they're identical!
Steve Vai is in fact... der String-Emil!
Seriously, they're identical!
"I'm sure that Brian can take a Strat and a Marshall (the most usual combination) and still sound like himself."
So much of his sound is accentuated and taken further by his instrument... but I think any guitar player who's been around for more than a couple of years would agree that there is a LOT of it that simply comes from the fingers and whatever you're using to pick with.
Take it from someone who could only afford a Crate for the first 10 years of his guitar-playing life :) There *are* approximations of other guitarists that can be reached by an understanding of how the fingers can induce different sounds from the instrument.
"I have a WHOLE LOTTA things to do with my life"
For someone who uses the term "Led Zeppeshit", you sure paraphrase them a bit!! :P
In closing... I finally got the time to watch the video at the start of the thread.
You cannot discount his ability as a player... but does Steve Vai have to do such a thorough job of looking like Jim Carrey while he's performing?!?!
So much of his sound is accentuated and taken further by his instrument... but I think any guitar player who's been around for more than a couple of years would agree that there is a LOT of it that simply comes from the fingers and whatever you're using to pick with.
Take it from someone who could only afford a Crate for the first 10 years of his guitar-playing life :) There *are* approximations of other guitarists that can be reached by an understanding of how the fingers can induce different sounds from the instrument.
"I have a WHOLE LOTTA things to do with my life"
For someone who uses the term "Led Zeppeshit", you sure paraphrase them a bit!! :P
In closing... I finally got the time to watch the video at the start of the thread.
You cannot discount his ability as a player... but does Steve Vai have to do such a thorough job of looking like Jim Carrey while he's performing?!?!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"I'm sure that Brian can take a Strat and a Marshall (the most usual combination) and still sound like himself."
So much of his sound is accentuated and taken further by his instrument... but I think any guitar player who's been around for more than a couple of years would agree that there is a LOT of it that simply comes from the fingers and whatever you're using to pick with.
Take it from someone who could only afford a Crate for the first 10 years of his guitar-playing life :) There *are* approximations of other guitarists that can be reached by an understanding of how the fingers can induce different sounds from the instrument.
"I have a WHOLE LOTTA things to do with my life"
For someone who uses the term "Led Zeppeshit", you sure paraphrase them a bit!! :P
In closing... I finally got the time to watch the video at the start of the thread.
You cannot discount his ability as a player... but does Steve Vai have to do such a thorough job of looking like Jim Carrey while he's performing?!?![/QUOTE]it could be AC/DSHIT too
=P
Steve says that his funny faces entertain the crowd xD
So much of his sound is accentuated and taken further by his instrument... but I think any guitar player who's been around for more than a couple of years would agree that there is a LOT of it that simply comes from the fingers and whatever you're using to pick with.
Take it from someone who could only afford a Crate for the first 10 years of his guitar-playing life :) There *are* approximations of other guitarists that can be reached by an understanding of how the fingers can induce different sounds from the instrument.
"I have a WHOLE LOTTA things to do with my life"
For someone who uses the term "Led Zeppeshit", you sure paraphrase them a bit!! :P
In closing... I finally got the time to watch the video at the start of the thread.
You cannot discount his ability as a player... but does Steve Vai have to do such a thorough job of looking like Jim Carrey while he's performing?!?![/QUOTE]it could be AC/DSHIT too
=P
Steve says that his funny faces entertain the crowd xD
steve is skilled but brian is MUCH better guitarist and plays catchy good solos with MUCH more emotion to it. There are alot of guitarsts that are as good and better than steve vai,
check out this amazing Death Metal band who blow away steve vai with their talent. I know you probably will hate the vocals on this but just listen to the instruments, its the most intense thing ever created!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LNQpLFns-CA
check out this amazing Death Metal band who blow away steve vai with their talent. I know you probably will hate the vocals on this but just listen to the instruments, its the most intense thing ever created!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LNQpLFns-CA
If a solo is "better" than the other, it doesn't mean the guitarist who played the first is better; it just suggests that the person who wrote the first may be a better composer than the person who wrote the second.