[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]ok.computer wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: [/QUOTENAME]No, it is not. You're an idiot.[/QUOTE]
If that's all you have to add to the discussion, then really, you are an awful waste of ones and zeros....[/QUOTE]You're a waste of semen
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]ok.computer wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: [/QUOTENAME]No, it is not. You're an idiot.[/QUOTE]
If that's all you have to add to the discussion, then really, you are an awful waste of ones and zeros....[/QUOTE]You're a waste of semen[/QUOTE]
Well at least the best part of me didn't spill down me mammy's leg...as it would appear it has with your's.
Tell me, what was the point of starting your little slagging match? Does it make you feel all powerful, a-hiding behind a keyboard and a screen? Or is it just that you are a mental midget?
I think that's as much time as I am willing to waste on this, and indeed, you. I'll leave you to have the last word....
...which I doubt will be anything other than monosyllabic. Mind you...I will concede that you did well with "semen".
If that's all you have to add to the discussion, then really, you are an awful waste of ones and zeros....[/QUOTE]You're a waste of semen[/QUOTE]
Well at least the best part of me didn't spill down me mammy's leg...as it would appear it has with your's.
Tell me, what was the point of starting your little slagging match? Does it make you feel all powerful, a-hiding behind a keyboard and a screen? Or is it just that you are a mental midget?
I think that's as much time as I am willing to waste on this, and indeed, you. I'll leave you to have the last word....
...which I doubt will be anything other than monosyllabic. Mind you...I will concede that you did well with "semen".
you're 34 fucking years... all wasted. You're lame.
Go ahead, old man, go read your magazines and let their clever polls and rankings fill your ass with their eternal knowledge. And may God have mercy of thy soul.
Go ahead, old man, go read your magazines and let their clever polls and rankings fill your ass with their eternal knowledge. And may God have mercy of thy soul.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: [/QUOTENAME]you're 34 fucking years... all wasted. You're lame.
Go ahead, old man, go read your magazines and let their clever polls and rankings fill your ass with their eternal knowledge. And may God have mercy of thy soul.[/QUOTE]
Oh go on then. I can't resist.
Without resorting to slagging, which is pretty much all you have contributed, where did I say I was reading magazines and polls and rankings? Here's my original post for the hard of understanding:
Posted: 3/15/2007 7:29:51
My tuppence worth?
Brian's playing is more accessible, more recognisable, more....more FUN damn-it...
I won't get into a who's better who's best competition slanging match, but I will say this: you never saw Steve Vai in the Top 10 too much back in the day...
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See, you haven't really done anything other than leap into a conversation I was having with another person. You haven't added anything to the debate except vitriol and bile. That, of course, is your right. Just don't expect other people not to pull you up on it.
Phew. A whole post and no resorting to "I know better than you" tactics. Go on...see if you can manage it...
Go ahead, old man, go read your magazines and let their clever polls and rankings fill your ass with their eternal knowledge. And may God have mercy of thy soul.[/QUOTE]
Oh go on then. I can't resist.
Without resorting to slagging, which is pretty much all you have contributed, where did I say I was reading magazines and polls and rankings? Here's my original post for the hard of understanding:
Posted: 3/15/2007 7:29:51
My tuppence worth?
Brian's playing is more accessible, more recognisable, more....more FUN damn-it...
I won't get into a who's better who's best competition slanging match, but I will say this: you never saw Steve Vai in the Top 10 too much back in the day...
-ends-
See, you haven't really done anything other than leap into a conversation I was having with another person. You haven't added anything to the debate except vitriol and bile. That, of course, is your right. Just don't expect other people not to pull you up on it.
Phew. A whole post and no resorting to "I know better than you" tactics. Go on...see if you can manage it...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]So it's not because of the Red Special, the sixpence, the treble booster or the modified echoplex, it's because of him.[/QUOTE]
Fully agree. It's a guitarist's touch that creates his sound, not his gear.
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Guys, as you're infinitely more skilled as musicians, and knowledgeable about music, I'll painfully have to disagree with this. I don't think Brian May would be Brian May without the Red Special, the sixpence, the treble booster or the modified echoplex, because that's a huge part of his tone. Put it this way, if you hooked Brian up to EVH's gear nad setup, I don't think you'd get Brian sounding like EVH, but I don't think it would sound anything like Brian's sound.
Fully agree. It's a guitarist's touch that creates his sound, not his gear.
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Guys, as you're infinitely more skilled as musicians, and knowledgeable about music, I'll painfully have to disagree with this. I don't think Brian May would be Brian May without the Red Special, the sixpence, the treble booster or the modified echoplex, because that's a huge part of his tone. Put it this way, if you hooked Brian up to EVH's gear nad setup, I don't think you'd get Brian sounding like EVH, but I don't think it would sound anything like Brian's sound.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]ok.computer wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: [/QUOTENAME]you're 34 fucking years... all wasted. You're lame.
Go ahead, old man, go read your magazines and let their clever polls and rankings fill your ass with their eternal knowledge. And may God have mercy of thy soul.[/QUOTE]
Oh go on then. I can't resist.
Without resorting to slagging, which is pretty much all you have contributed, where did I say I was reading magazines and polls and rankings? Here's my original post for the hard of understanding:
Posted: 3/15/2007 7:29:51
My tuppence worth?
Brian's playing is more accessible, more recognisable, more....more FUN damn-it...
I won't get into a who's better who's best competition slanging match, but I will say this: you never saw Steve Vai in the Top 10 too much back in the day...
-ends-
See, you haven't really done anything other than leap into a conversation I was having with another person. You haven't added anything to the debate except vitriol and bile. That, of course, is your right. Just don't expect other people not to pull you up on it.
Phew. A whole post and no resorting to "I know better than you" tactics. Go on...see if you can manage it...[/QUOTE]you don't deserve a reply
Go ahead, old man, go read your magazines and let their clever polls and rankings fill your ass with their eternal knowledge. And may God have mercy of thy soul.[/QUOTE]
Oh go on then. I can't resist.
Without resorting to slagging, which is pretty much all you have contributed, where did I say I was reading magazines and polls and rankings? Here's my original post for the hard of understanding:
Posted: 3/15/2007 7:29:51
My tuppence worth?
Brian's playing is more accessible, more recognisable, more....more FUN damn-it...
I won't get into a who's better who's best competition slanging match, but I will say this: you never saw Steve Vai in the Top 10 too much back in the day...
-ends-
See, you haven't really done anything other than leap into a conversation I was having with another person. You haven't added anything to the debate except vitriol and bile. That, of course, is your right. Just don't expect other people not to pull you up on it.
Phew. A whole post and no resorting to "I know better than you" tactics. Go on...see if you can manage it...[/QUOTE]you don't deserve a reply
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]ok.computer wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You're a waste of semen[/QUOTE]
Well at least the best part of me didn't spill down me mammy's leg...as it would appear it has with your's.[/QUOTE]
Ouch......... :D
Well at least the best part of me didn't spill down me mammy's leg...as it would appear it has with your's.[/QUOTE]
Ouch......... :D
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Guys, as you're infinitely more skilled as musicians, and knowledgeable about music, I'll painfully have to disagree with this. I don't think Brian May would be Brian May without the Red Special, the sixpence, the treble booster or the modified echoplex, because that's a huge part of his tone. Put it this way, if you hooked Brian up to EVH's gear nad setup, I don't think you'd get Brian sounding like EVH, but I don't think it would sound anything like Brian's sound.[/QUOTE]
Of course your gear makes a difference, but look at it this way: If Angus Young played with Brian May's gear, would he sound more like Angus or Brian?
At home, I play a Les Paul through a Fender Princeton amp. Using a quarter instead of a pick, I can get pretty close to Brian's tone when I'm playing Queen songs. We can make it numerical, and I'll concede and approximate that it's 90% style and 10% gear.
Of course your gear makes a difference, but look at it this way: If Angus Young played with Brian May's gear, would he sound more like Angus or Brian?
At home, I play a Les Paul through a Fender Princeton amp. Using a quarter instead of a pick, I can get pretty close to Brian's tone when I'm playing Queen songs. We can make it numerical, and I'll concede and approximate that it's 90% style and 10% gear.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]ok.computer wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You're a waste of semen[/QUOTE]
Well at least the best part of me didn't spill down me mammy's leg...as it would appear it has with your's.[/QUOTE]
Ouch......... :D
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=O...
Well at least the best part of me didn't spill down me mammy's leg...as it would appear it has with your's.[/QUOTE]
Ouch......... :D
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=O...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Guys, as you're infinitely more skilled as musicians, and knowledgeable about music, I'll painfully have to disagree with this. I don't think Brian May would be Brian May without the Red Special, the sixpence, the treble booster or the modified echoplex, because that's a huge part of his tone. Put it this way, if you hooked Brian up to EVH's gear nad setup, I don't think you'd get Brian sounding like EVH, but I don't think it would sound anything like Brian's sound.[/QUOTE]
Of course your gear makes a difference, but look at it this way: If Angus Young played with Brian May's gear, would he sound more like Angus or Brian?
At home, I play a Les Paul through a Fender Princeton amp. Using a quarter instead of a pick, I can get pretty close to Brian's tone when I'm playing Queen songs. We can make it numerical, and I'll concede and approximate that it's 90% style and 10% gear.
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Really Sir GH? I heard your Brighton Rock solo and I think it was fantastic and a very accurate replication of Brian's sound. I know that it's impossible to quantify touch and tone, but I think, in Brian's case, it's totally his set-up and guitar that make him what he is as a player. I know his touch is light compared to an EVH who digs in to his attack, but plugging the Red Special into The Edge's set-up wouldn't give Brian his tone or unique soud. Brian himself railed against using a Strat or Telecaster on CLTCL, and IMHO, if he played a Les Paul or Fender he'd not be the legend he is. IMHO :)
Of course your gear makes a difference, but look at it this way: If Angus Young played with Brian May's gear, would he sound more like Angus or Brian?
At home, I play a Les Paul through a Fender Princeton amp. Using a quarter instead of a pick, I can get pretty close to Brian's tone when I'm playing Queen songs. We can make it numerical, and I'll concede and approximate that it's 90% style and 10% gear.
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Really Sir GH? I heard your Brighton Rock solo and I think it was fantastic and a very accurate replication of Brian's sound. I know that it's impossible to quantify touch and tone, but I think, in Brian's case, it's totally his set-up and guitar that make him what he is as a player. I know his touch is light compared to an EVH who digs in to his attack, but plugging the Red Special into The Edge's set-up wouldn't give Brian his tone or unique soud. Brian himself railed against using a Strat or Telecaster on CLTCL, and IMHO, if he played a Les Paul or Fender he'd not be the legend he is. IMHO :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE]you don't deserve a reply[/QUOTE]
I didn't really think you could manage one.
I didn't really think you could manage one.
"Really Sir GH? I heard your Brighton Rock solo and I think it was fantastic and a very accurate replication of Brian's sound. I know that it's impossible to quantify touch and tone, but I think, in Brian's case, it's totally his set-up and guitar that make him what he is as a player. I know his touch is light compared to an EVH who digs in to his attack, but plugging the Red Special into The Edge's set-up wouldn't give Brian his tone or unique soud. Brian himself railed against using a Strat or Telecaster on CLTCL, and IMHO, if he played a Les Paul or Fender he'd not be the legend he is. IMHO :)"
As I recall, Mack eventually convinced Brian to just use a Tele.... but I might be wrong!
I really think it depends on what is seen as more important; the actual tone of the guitar, or the way he plays it.
Gearwise.... you can approximate 'that' sound that Brian had. It is a lot easier with a Red Special, of course - but there's ways of doing it!
The tone of an instrument and it's reaction to high levels of distortion will always have a certain character that can't really be changed, but you'd be surprised at how much you can do just by the way you're playing it, at what part of the strings you're picking on... and if you've got an effects pedal with any real tinkering ability, it's quite possible to chase other peoples sounds.
While I think the Red Special really comes alive once you're playing very loudly with a decent amp (hehe) it does have its own characteristics when you're playing totally clean.
I think the beauty of this instrument is that you can more easily imitate other guitarists, whereas they'll always have a slightly harder time of trying to sound like the Red Special. It's a very versatile instrument... if you dick around long enough, there are Fender sounds, there are Danelectro sounds... muahaha.
I can't stress enough how much importance is on the player themselves!! Even when Brian was playing a Tele, doing the most ersatz solo you'll ever hear him doing, he still has his own way of approaching it.
I think it'd be a real hoot to force the most distinctive guitar players around and force them all to play on a totally clean sound, and see if we can still tell the difference!
As I recall, Mack eventually convinced Brian to just use a Tele.... but I might be wrong!
I really think it depends on what is seen as more important; the actual tone of the guitar, or the way he plays it.
Gearwise.... you can approximate 'that' sound that Brian had. It is a lot easier with a Red Special, of course - but there's ways of doing it!
The tone of an instrument and it's reaction to high levels of distortion will always have a certain character that can't really be changed, but you'd be surprised at how much you can do just by the way you're playing it, at what part of the strings you're picking on... and if you've got an effects pedal with any real tinkering ability, it's quite possible to chase other peoples sounds.
While I think the Red Special really comes alive once you're playing very loudly with a decent amp (hehe) it does have its own characteristics when you're playing totally clean.
I think the beauty of this instrument is that you can more easily imitate other guitarists, whereas they'll always have a slightly harder time of trying to sound like the Red Special. It's a very versatile instrument... if you dick around long enough, there are Fender sounds, there are Danelectro sounds... muahaha.
I can't stress enough how much importance is on the player themselves!! Even when Brian was playing a Tele, doing the most ersatz solo you'll ever hear him doing, he still has his own way of approaching it.
I think it'd be a real hoot to force the most distinctive guitar players around and force them all to play on a totally clean sound, and see if we can still tell the difference!
Interesting thread for a guitarist to read...I actually have seen both of these guys live. I saw Steve Vai at the Eric Clapton Crossroads Guitar Festival in Dallas back in 2004. He was incredible live; The best song he did was "I'm the Hell Outta Here." I don't think there's anyone that holds a candle to his technical ability as a rock guitarist. I saw Brian in Washington D.C. on the Queen/PR tour. That was a dream come true...Brian May is my hero.
I don't really think its fair to say that what makes Brian May who he is as a guitarist, is his tone. That's a valid point, because any discussion among guitarists about him...everyone's said that they love his tone. On most of Queen's big hits that everybody is familiar with...his lead stuff isn't mind-blowing to hear, its very tasteful and precise...some of it is quite tricky to learn though. Melodically I think he's a genius...the way he layered all of the guitar parts and faithfully and fully re-created them appropriately in a live setting. His stuff isn't impossible to learn if you know what you're doing. But there's no question, if you study his playing thouroughly...you'll see that he truly is a unique player. Look at A Night at the Opera...or any other Queen album from the very beginning up to Jazz...then Innuendo...
Vai and May are very different in a lot of aspects...they have two completely different approaches to the guitar. May was a huge inspiration to Vai, as well as Satriani. When it comes to feeling; and who's ultimately the better guitarist. Its all subjective. I've been a part of several "coluorful" debates about it. Why don't you all give a fair listen to their catalogues of music and decide for yourself.
I don't really think its fair to say that what makes Brian May who he is as a guitarist, is his tone. That's a valid point, because any discussion among guitarists about him...everyone's said that they love his tone. On most of Queen's big hits that everybody is familiar with...his lead stuff isn't mind-blowing to hear, its very tasteful and precise...some of it is quite tricky to learn though. Melodically I think he's a genius...the way he layered all of the guitar parts and faithfully and fully re-created them appropriately in a live setting. His stuff isn't impossible to learn if you know what you're doing. But there's no question, if you study his playing thouroughly...you'll see that he truly is a unique player. Look at A Night at the Opera...or any other Queen album from the very beginning up to Jazz...then Innuendo...
Vai and May are very different in a lot of aspects...they have two completely different approaches to the guitar. May was a huge inspiration to Vai, as well as Satriani. When it comes to feeling; and who's ultimately the better guitarist. Its all subjective. I've been a part of several "coluorful" debates about it. Why don't you all give a fair listen to their catalogues of music and decide for yourself.
I play different kinds of guitars and I always sound like me. There's of course a difference depending on the type of neck, amp, strings, etc but the larger part is on the actual person.
We've got to realise too that Brian built his sound around the equipment he had, which probably means that if he hadn't built the RS he probably would have been "yet another axeman with Strat or LP". But I'm sure he'd still be distinctive.
To pretend that a big(ger) part of Bri's sound or legacy comes from the gear rather than his fingers (or soul, or heart, or mind, or spirit, or whatever) is as thinking that Fred's voice came from the mic or Shakespeare's sonnets came from the kind of pen he used.
We've got to realise too that Brian built his sound around the equipment he had, which probably means that if he hadn't built the RS he probably would have been "yet another axeman with Strat or LP". But I'm sure he'd still be distinctive.
To pretend that a big(ger) part of Bri's sound or legacy comes from the gear rather than his fingers (or soul, or heart, or mind, or spirit, or whatever) is as thinking that Fred's voice came from the mic or Shakespeare's sonnets came from the kind of pen he used.