Can you recommend good dithering software, then? I always keep the original downloaded files for reseeding but I like audio CDs for easy playing away from the PC.
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I had no problems at all burning the files to cd. I used Toast 7.01 on a Mac. It was done without any recompiling, dithering or converting. The cds (2, by the way) play fine on my car stereo,
The sound quality is sure excellent, but as someone else earlier said, it's a bit "strange". The sound is extraordinarily clear, but it lacks a bit of punch, and it sounds very narrow. I only listened to it in my car so far, but it seems to be a bit louder on the left speaker. What this recording needs is a slight EQ imo. But of course I won't do that ... because I'm too lazy ;-)
The sound quality is sure excellent, but as someone else earlier said, it's a bit "strange". The sound is extraordinarily clear, but it lacks a bit of punch, and it sounds very narrow. I only listened to it in my car so far, but it seems to be a bit louder on the left speaker. What this recording needs is a slight EQ imo. But of course I won't do that ... because I'm too lazy ;-)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Can you recommend good dithering software, then? I always keep the original downloaded files for reseeding but I like audio CDs for easy playing away from the PC.[/QUOTE]
CoolEdit or similar software
CoolEdit or similar software
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Nummer2 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I had no problems at all burning the files to cd. I used Toast 7.01 on a Mac. It was done without any recompiling, dithering or converting. The cds (2, by the way) play fine on my car stereo,[/QUOTE]
That is because the files got dithered "on-the-fly" so to speak during the burning process, meaning they were truncated from 24 bit to 16 bit simply by discarding the last 8 bits. It may still sound decent, but that's an inferior copy you have for sure.
That is because the files got dithered "on-the-fly" so to speak during the burning process, meaning they were truncated from 24 bit to 16 bit simply by discarding the last 8 bits. It may still sound decent, but that's an inferior copy you have for sure.
FINALLY I GOT IT!!!
16-bit wav
anyway..I'm still seeding!
Bye :-)
16-bit wav
anyway..I'm still seeding!
Bye :-)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Ideally, I'd like to fill in the gaps (...) and share a complete version. But if it would be considered by purists to be lossy, then it'd probably be best not to.
Opinions?
In addition to the cuts noted above, there's also one during Get Down Make Love, at the end of the middle part. But that's the way the original broadcast was. I've had a higher gen copy of this broadcast for years, and the same cut is there.
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Another great compilation from Bob factory :) ? I will wait for that =D
I'm wonder why this cuts are there ? Is this a reason to say that this was broadcasted not live = bit later then concert started (the same day but in different time or next day) or what ? :/
Ideally, I'd like to fill in the gaps (...) and share a complete version. But if it would be considered by purists to be lossy, then it'd probably be best not to.
Opinions?
In addition to the cuts noted above, there's also one during Get Down Make Love, at the end of the middle part. But that's the way the original broadcast was. I've had a higher gen copy of this broadcast for years, and the same cut is there.
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Another great compilation from Bob factory :) ? I will wait for that =D
I'm wonder why this cuts are there ? Is this a reason to say that this was broadcasted not live = bit later then concert started (the same day but in different time or next day) or what ? :/
Wow! Thanks for sharing this gem! Sounds even better than the 1984 rebroadcast.
However, from Another One Bites The Dust 'till the end of the show the quality is not the same. Maybe this bit comes from a different source?
For converting, I use a program called "dB power amp" It converts any file to any format you want (for some files you'll need to download a plugin)
However, from Another One Bites The Dust 'till the end of the show the quality is not the same. Maybe this bit comes from a different source?
For converting, I use a program called "dB power amp" It converts any file to any format you want (for some files you'll need to download a plugin)
I use U-torrent...is there a reason why it's taken me 8 days to download and I'm still only at 60%? Am I doing something wrong?
@tilomagnet
Is the difference audible? Not to common ears I think. What would be the best way to get the files on a cd? I don't think there's an alternative. Of course you could use a profesional tool to "dither" the files fom 24bit to 16bit if you're an audio freak.
But to maintain the original sound quality it sure would be best to spread the files in the original 24bit fomat – if it really IS the original format.
Is the difference audible? Not to common ears I think. What would be the best way to get the files on a cd? I don't think there's an alternative. Of course you could use a profesional tool to "dither" the files fom 24bit to 16bit if you're an audio freak.
But to maintain the original sound quality it sure would be best to spread the files in the original 24bit fomat – if it really IS the original format.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tilomagnet wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Obviously you cannot burn a standard audio CD from 24 bit WAV files, as the audio CD standard is 16 bit 44 khz. 24 bit wordlenght is used when transferring analog sources, because it allows for a better approximation to the original source than mastering @ 16 bit, i.e. better quality.
In order to burn an audio CD from 24 bit files you need to convert them to 16 bit in a process called 'dithering'. Any decent audio editing program can do this, but there is definately a big difference in quality between dithering schemes. In any case dithering means loss of audio information, i.e. it's lossy so to speak, but since 16 bit is still the accepted quality standard, it should be ok to convert them to 16 bit. 24 bit is the standard for DVD-Audio, but there are still very few people who have the proper playback equipement to benefit from the quality improvement of 24 bit.
So IMO the original 24 bit files should be archived until more people can handle them properly and for now a patched 16 bit version should be created. [/QUOTE]
Exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks!
Since this is just a radio recording, is there enough audio information within it to even use up all 24 bits of sound? I converted mine to 16-bit, and I honestly did not notice the difference.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Madman wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Another great compilation from Bob factory :) ? I will wait for that =D[/QUOTE]
Ha ha... you bet!
[QUOTE]I'm wonder why this cuts are there ? Is this a reason to say that this was broadcasted not live = bit later then concert started (the same day but in different time or next day) or what ? :/[/QUOTE]
My best guess is the person who recorded it had to flip their tape.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ducksoup wrote: [/QUOTENAME]However, from Another One Bites The Dust 'till the end of the show the quality is not the same. Maybe this bit comes from a different source?[/QUOTE]
Maybe they used a worse quality tape to record the encores, or the tape just didn't keep well over the years.
Now, I have to ask Ibarzi... how did you manage to create FLAC files that were as big as WAV files?
In order to burn an audio CD from 24 bit files you need to convert them to 16 bit in a process called 'dithering'. Any decent audio editing program can do this, but there is definately a big difference in quality between dithering schemes. In any case dithering means loss of audio information, i.e. it's lossy so to speak, but since 16 bit is still the accepted quality standard, it should be ok to convert them to 16 bit. 24 bit is the standard for DVD-Audio, but there are still very few people who have the proper playback equipement to benefit from the quality improvement of 24 bit.
So IMO the original 24 bit files should be archived until more people can handle them properly and for now a patched 16 bit version should be created. [/QUOTE]
Exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks!
Since this is just a radio recording, is there enough audio information within it to even use up all 24 bits of sound? I converted mine to 16-bit, and I honestly did not notice the difference.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Madman wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Another great compilation from Bob factory :) ? I will wait for that =D[/QUOTE]
Ha ha... you bet!
[QUOTE]I'm wonder why this cuts are there ? Is this a reason to say that this was broadcasted not live = bit later then concert started (the same day but in different time or next day) or what ? :/[/QUOTE]
My best guess is the person who recorded it had to flip their tape.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ducksoup wrote: [/QUOTENAME]However, from Another One Bites The Dust 'till the end of the show the quality is not the same. Maybe this bit comes from a different source?[/QUOTE]
Maybe they used a worse quality tape to record the encores, or the tape just didn't keep well over the years.
Now, I have to ask Ibarzi... how did you manage to create FLAC files that were as big as WAV files?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Nummer2 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]@tilomagnet
Is the difference audible? Not to common ears I think.[/QUOTE]
Whether you can hear a difference,... well, it all depends on your playback equipement. When listening with $ 30 computer speakers I can't even tell the difference between an audio CD and a (properly encoded) 128 kb/s mp3. On my current playback system, which is quite good, but not really high end, the difference is huge.
I definately notice a significant difference between 16 bit and 24 bit, but as I said you need a proper playback set-up to benefit from the quality improvement. For example, a lot of consumer computer soundcards don't support 'true' 24 bit playback, but they dither the output to 16 bit. In this case, you obviously can tell very little difference.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Nummer2 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
What would be the best way to get the files on a cd? I don't think there's an alternative. Of course you could use a profesional tool to "dither" the files fom 24bit to 16bit if you're an audio freak.[/QUOTE]
Audacity, for example, is a free audio editor that offers decent dithering schemes. Of course there are better (and more expensive) solutions, but it's definately much better than just have your burning program cut those additional 8 bits.
Don't get me wrong: If it's for your personal use only and the truncated audio CD sounds fine to you, that's great. It is just that for further mass distribution the quality of the files must be preserved as well as possible.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Nummer2 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
But to maintain the original sound quality it sure would be best to spread the files in the original 24bit fomat – if it really IS the original format.[/QUOTE]
I can't agree more!
Is the difference audible? Not to common ears I think.[/QUOTE]
Whether you can hear a difference,... well, it all depends on your playback equipement. When listening with $ 30 computer speakers I can't even tell the difference between an audio CD and a (properly encoded) 128 kb/s mp3. On my current playback system, which is quite good, but not really high end, the difference is huge.
I definately notice a significant difference between 16 bit and 24 bit, but as I said you need a proper playback set-up to benefit from the quality improvement. For example, a lot of consumer computer soundcards don't support 'true' 24 bit playback, but they dither the output to 16 bit. In this case, you obviously can tell very little difference.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Nummer2 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
What would be the best way to get the files on a cd? I don't think there's an alternative. Of course you could use a profesional tool to "dither" the files fom 24bit to 16bit if you're an audio freak.[/QUOTE]
Audacity, for example, is a free audio editor that offers decent dithering schemes. Of course there are better (and more expensive) solutions, but it's definately much better than just have your burning program cut those additional 8 bits.
Don't get me wrong: If it's for your personal use only and the truncated audio CD sounds fine to you, that's great. It is just that for further mass distribution the quality of the files must be preserved as well as possible.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Nummer2 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
But to maintain the original sound quality it sure would be best to spread the files in the original 24bit fomat – if it really IS the original format.[/QUOTE]
I can't agree more!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tilomagnet wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I definately notice a significant difference between 16 bit and 24 bit, but as I said you need a proper playback set-up to benefit from the quality improvement. For example, a lot of consumer computer soundcards don't support 'true' 24 bit playback, but they dither the output to 16 bit. In this case, you obviously can tell very little difference.[/QUOTE]
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh... yeah, that could be what I'm getting then. Btw, your post is above my last one... maybe you missed it for some reason!
[QUOTE]Don't get me wrong: If it's for your personal use only and the truncated audio CD sounds fine to you, that's great. It is just that for further mass distribution the quality of the files must be preserved as well as possible.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm working on the mix of the 2 sources as we speak. When I share it, I'll include in the notes and lineage that I dummed it down from 24 to 16 bit. At the moment, I really don't think there is another way to do a mix without losing that bit of quality... if anything is lost at all... re: my above question about radio quality in the first place.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh... yeah, that could be what I'm getting then. Btw, your post is above my last one... maybe you missed it for some reason!
[QUOTE]Don't get me wrong: If it's for your personal use only and the truncated audio CD sounds fine to you, that's great. It is just that for further mass distribution the quality of the files must be preserved as well as possible.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm working on the mix of the 2 sources as we speak. When I share it, I'll include in the notes and lineage that I dummed it down from 24 to 16 bit. At the moment, I really don't think there is another way to do a mix without losing that bit of quality... if anything is lost at all... re: my above question about radio quality in the first place.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tilomagnet wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I definately notice a significant difference between 16 bit and 24 bit, but as I said you need a proper playback set-up to benefit from the quality improvement. For example, a lot of consumer computer soundcards don't support 'true' 24 bit playback, but they dither the output to 16 bit. In this case, you obviously can tell very little difference.[/QUOTE]
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh... yeah, that could be what I'm getting then. Btw, your post is above my last one... maybe you missed it for some reason!
[QUOTE]Don't get me wrong: If it's for your personal use only and the truncated audio CD sounds fine to you, that's great. It is just that for further mass distribution the quality of the files must be preserved as well as possible.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm working on the mix of the 2 sources as we speak. When I share it, I'll include in the notes and lineage that I dummed it down from 24 to 16 bit. At the moment, I really don't think there is another way to do a mix without losing that bit of quality... if anything is lost at all... re: my above question about radio quality in the first place.
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Bob ,if you want to keep exactly what you've got.
Do the lot as 24bit & then author it as a DVD-A.
If one of the sources is 16 bit ,you wont lose anything by bloating that source but you will if you lower the 24bit.
As true DVD audio is 24bit it will play in standalones no prob.
You can swap the audio over from any original audio in authoring programs & then author it as a you would all other DVDs.. with chapters etc.
You could use a documentary,make a slide show or something just so there's something for the eyes while its playing,but that doesn't matter.
Just a suggestion to keep the integrity
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh... yeah, that could be what I'm getting then. Btw, your post is above my last one... maybe you missed it for some reason!
[QUOTE]Don't get me wrong: If it's for your personal use only and the truncated audio CD sounds fine to you, that's great. It is just that for further mass distribution the quality of the files must be preserved as well as possible.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm working on the mix of the 2 sources as we speak. When I share it, I'll include in the notes and lineage that I dummed it down from 24 to 16 bit. At the moment, I really don't think there is another way to do a mix without losing that bit of quality... if anything is lost at all... re: my above question about radio quality in the first place.
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Bob ,if you want to keep exactly what you've got.
Do the lot as 24bit & then author it as a DVD-A.
If one of the sources is 16 bit ,you wont lose anything by bloating that source but you will if you lower the 24bit.
As true DVD audio is 24bit it will play in standalones no prob.
You can swap the audio over from any original audio in authoring programs & then author it as a you would all other DVDs.. with chapters etc.
You could use a documentary,make a slide show or something just so there's something for the eyes while its playing,but that doesn't matter.
Just a suggestion to keep the integrity
Edit:double post