[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Raststätte-Knödel wrote: [/QUOTENAME] On one of the sites posted here, I read they aren't even stunned properly sometimes, so they are still fully councious when their throats are slit and are even skinned alive sometimes. That's just horrible. [/QUOTE]
And it happens more often than any of us realize. I commend you for being aware of this, many people either aren't aware or don't care. For those who do care, a note to senators or a check to organizations that call attention to the problem is a worthwhile venture. JMHO.
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You're right.
I think something like that should never happen! At least stun them properly so they won't feel anything.
I think something like that should never happen! At least stun them properly so they won't feel anything.
Well, if I were to actually become a vegetarian, I would probably base my decision on something other than an anti-meat propaganda website. Then again, I wouldn't ever actually become a vegetarian.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote: [/QUOTENAME]@ Sir GH
Okay, let me put this straight. I like what I eat. I don't want to be a vegetarian. See? I've already made up my mind without any research. :-)[/QUOTE]
An informed choice involves learning about the alternatives, and not simply doing what you have always been comfortable with. Ignoring the alternatives, especially in a case like this when when they are plainly listed out, is called ignorance. This definitely isn't a personal attack. Pretty much every meat-eater - myself included - is ignorant in this sense, because most of us have been exposed to the alternatives at one point or another. As for myself, my love of the taste of meat is still stronger than my desire to embrace animal rights to a point of altering my life in some way for their sake. Maybe one day that'll change. But in the meantime, does it make me somehow worse than those who haven't heard of the alternatives, because I'm this aware of the alternatives, and still haven't taken any steps yet?
Okay, let me put this straight. I like what I eat. I don't want to be a vegetarian. See? I've already made up my mind without any research. :-)[/QUOTE]
An informed choice involves learning about the alternatives, and not simply doing what you have always been comfortable with. Ignoring the alternatives, especially in a case like this when when they are plainly listed out, is called ignorance. This definitely isn't a personal attack. Pretty much every meat-eater - myself included - is ignorant in this sense, because most of us have been exposed to the alternatives at one point or another. As for myself, my love of the taste of meat is still stronger than my desire to embrace animal rights to a point of altering my life in some way for their sake. Maybe one day that'll change. But in the meantime, does it make me somehow worse than those who haven't heard of the alternatives, because I'm this aware of the alternatives, and still haven't taken any steps yet?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=666600><b>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Well, if I were to actually become a vegetarian, I would probably base my decision on something other than an anti-meat propaganda website.[/QUOTE]
If that's propaganda, then there really aren't any noble causes out there, are they? How can the issues of animal rights be brought to the public without "propagandic" websites like this?
If that's propaganda, then there really aren't any noble causes out there, are they? How can the issues of animal rights be brought to the public without "propagandic" websites like this?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=666600><b>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Well, if I were to actually become a vegetarian, I would probably base my decision on something other than an anti-meat propaganda website.[/QUOTE]
If that's propaganda, then there really aren't any noble causes out there, are they? How can the issues of animal rights be brought to the public without "propagandic" websites like this?
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Agreed, Sir GH.
And I'd say the need for animal rights advocates to call attention to the situation they're trying to change, requires portraying the absolute worst of the worst to those who happen by. It grips the attention, and while some might simply turn away, there are a select few who will read on to learn what's happening - in worst-case scenarios. The website that I posted (I don't know about the one Jingles posted), touts a vegan lifestyle. I have donated to this organization for years, but I will never be a vegan. Logic wins out. I've no intention of marching to make meat-eaters criminals, but holding those guilty of animal abuse accountable is something I definitely support.
The point is, if it gets people thinking and talking and perhaps demanding humane treatment of animals, then there's no harm no foul. Of course, for those in the business of torturing animals for the bottom line, the harm and foul falls on them. To freakin' bad if you ask me.
If that's propaganda, then there really aren't any noble causes out there, are they? How can the issues of animal rights be brought to the public without "propagandic" websites like this?
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Agreed, Sir GH.
And I'd say the need for animal rights advocates to call attention to the situation they're trying to change, requires portraying the absolute worst of the worst to those who happen by. It grips the attention, and while some might simply turn away, there are a select few who will read on to learn what's happening - in worst-case scenarios. The website that I posted (I don't know about the one Jingles posted), touts a vegan lifestyle. I have donated to this organization for years, but I will never be a vegan. Logic wins out. I've no intention of marching to make meat-eaters criminals, but holding those guilty of animal abuse accountable is something I definitely support.
The point is, if it gets people thinking and talking and perhaps demanding humane treatment of animals, then there's no harm no foul. Of course, for those in the business of torturing animals for the bottom line, the harm and foul falls on them. To freakin' bad if you ask me.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=666600><b>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Well, if I were to actually become a vegetarian, I would probably base my decision on something other than an anti-meat propaganda website.[/QUOTE]
If that's propaganda, then there really aren't any noble causes out there, are they? How can the issues of animal rights be brought to the public without "propagandic" websites like this?
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Every day we hear stories in the media concerning the abuses of animal rights, in cases that are comparatively tame to what we see in such websites and videos. Such exposure and outcry is even extended to cases concerning the food we eat. For instance, foie gras is under constant scrutiny, to the point of legislation.
So how come we are not bombarded by the media on such issues that, if you visit any one of those websites, would certainly elicit outrage in even the most indifferent person?
There are only two possible explanations:
1) The meat industry is highly secretive and well-coordinated. Meat factories are in well-secluded areas that are not accessible by the public. The videos depicting the abuse of animals were taken by well-trained spies, perhaps moles in the meat industry's firms. Although such abuse happens all the time, the meat industry pays off or threatens legislators and journalists to not address the situation, perhaps through gang or mafia affiliations.
OR
2) The websites and videos we see are highly exaggerated, the situation is not nearly as bad as it is portrayed, and/or the presented situations are very rare or short-lived, or even outdated. Hence, propaganda.
If anyone could get me to change my mind, I'm sure you can - but so far, the evidence seems weak, at best.
If that's propaganda, then there really aren't any noble causes out there, are they? How can the issues of animal rights be brought to the public without "propagandic" websites like this?
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Every day we hear stories in the media concerning the abuses of animal rights, in cases that are comparatively tame to what we see in such websites and videos. Such exposure and outcry is even extended to cases concerning the food we eat. For instance, foie gras is under constant scrutiny, to the point of legislation.
So how come we are not bombarded by the media on such issues that, if you visit any one of those websites, would certainly elicit outrage in even the most indifferent person?
There are only two possible explanations:
1) The meat industry is highly secretive and well-coordinated. Meat factories are in well-secluded areas that are not accessible by the public. The videos depicting the abuse of animals were taken by well-trained spies, perhaps moles in the meat industry's firms. Although such abuse happens all the time, the meat industry pays off or threatens legislators and journalists to not address the situation, perhaps through gang or mafia affiliations.
OR
2) The websites and videos we see are highly exaggerated, the situation is not nearly as bad as it is portrayed, and/or the presented situations are very rare or short-lived, or even outdated. Hence, propaganda.
If anyone could get me to change my mind, I'm sure you can - but so far, the evidence seems weak, at best.
I went vegetarian in late May, and I'm not regretting my decision at all. I'm really happy about doing it, and I don't feel like a hypocrite anymore whenever I talk about animal rights...
As for the "hardness" of it, I'll tell you that cutting meat from your diet is much easier than it's made out to be. There are plenty of soy products out there that taste just like the real thing, so there isn't an empty spot in your plate. I actually have to check sometimes and make sure it isn't real meat I'm eating... xD
I think the MorningStar Farms products are the best ones. They practically have the veggie equivalent of every freaking single meat dish. :O
Best of luck to you on your vegetarianism! :DDD
As for the "hardness" of it, I'll tell you that cutting meat from your diet is much easier than it's made out to be. There are plenty of soy products out there that taste just like the real thing, so there isn't an empty spot in your plate. I actually have to check sometimes and make sure it isn't real meat I'm eating... xD
I think the MorningStar Farms products are the best ones. They practically have the veggie equivalent of every freaking single meat dish. :O
Best of luck to you on your vegetarianism! :DDD
I considered going vegetarian...until my parents threatened to disown me. ;)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=lime>KillerQueen840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I considered going vegetarian...until my parents threatened to disown me. ;)[/QUOTE]
Does it bother you that your parents don't support your individual beliefs, to the point of considering disowning you?
Does it bother you that your parents don't support your individual beliefs, to the point of considering disowning you?
I couldn't go vegetatian. I do feel bad for the way the animals have been treated, chicken probably the worst, so neither me or my mum will buy chicken that isn't free range. Every other meat we get from my uncles farm or from my cousins hunting trips.
Me going veggie would be like that scene in 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding' when the aunty is like "You don't eat no meat?!? That's ok, I cook lamb"
Me going veggie would be like that scene in 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding' when the aunty is like "You don't eat no meat?!? That's ok, I cook lamb"
My grandma too lol^
I thing you're doing a good thing by eating only free-range chicken meat and meat from your uncle's farm etc. It's so much better than buying meat from factory farms.
Brian May is a vegetarian too lol
I thing you're doing a good thing by eating only free-range chicken meat and meat from your uncle's farm etc. It's so much better than buying meat from factory farms.
Brian May is a vegetarian too lol
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Raststätte-Knödel wrote: [/QUOTENAME]My grandma too lol^
I thing you're doing a good thing by eating only free-range chicken meat and meat from your uncle's farm etc. It's so much better than buying meat from factory farms.
Brian May is a vegetarian too lol[/QUOTE]
Thanks :)
My theory is if it's going to end up on your plate then you have the right to know exactly how it got there.
I do however have this really nice vegetarian recipie book, I made this lovley brown rice salad the other night
I thing you're doing a good thing by eating only free-range chicken meat and meat from your uncle's farm etc. It's so much better than buying meat from factory farms.
Brian May is a vegetarian too lol[/QUOTE]
Thanks :)
My theory is if it's going to end up on your plate then you have the right to know exactly how it got there.
I do however have this really nice vegetarian recipie book, I made this lovley brown rice salad the other night
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=lime>KillerQueen840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I considered going vegetarian...until my parents threatened to disown me. ;)[/QUOTE]
Does it bother you that your parents don't support your individual beliefs, to the point of considering disowning you?
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Do you see what happens when you take exaggeration too seriously, Sir GH!?
Does it bother you that your parents don't support your individual beliefs, to the point of considering disowning you?
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Do you see what happens when you take exaggeration too seriously, Sir GH!?
It didn't seem like an exaggeration to me!