[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
If we are going to use animals for our own consumption, at least we should be concerned about giving them better treatment, and not make them suffer so much in the process before being slaughtered. [/QUOTE]
I'm in absolute agreement. Can't imagine why anyone wouldn't be, but, sadly, there are many.
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i agree.
someone might say 'killing animals is evil/wrong, etc' but its all in the fashion of how. as i said, animals should not be taken for granted, since they were living breathing emotional beings, however, we have been eating them for survival thruout time, and animals do know their place in the wild (predator or prey). animals should never suffer, just as humans shouldnt, but if we must consume, i feel there should never be pain involved.
as i said, when one hunts an animal, the idea is to kill it cleanly and painlessly as possible, and use all parts of its body. (somebody would, perhaps another animal, use unwanted parts if things like organs are left out, so it tends to work no matter what).
people can try to convince others not to eat animals, but in the end, its all choice, and in the meantime, treat your fellow man, and creature with respect, by allowing that choice, and hopefully the lives of animals will not be treated so barbarically if all these horrible pain inflictions are occurring.
i hear about people clubbing baby seals for their fur....whats the point? their fur is beautiful, yes, but that would be like someone scalping you for your hair, because your hair might be nicer than theirs. its just not right, its selfish, its painful and wrong, and its a defenseless baby animal. they need their fur more than you ever will, and for an accessory? they make nice synthetics you know...
and its someones baby!!!!!
(baby animals should be given the right to live, IMO, no questions asked).
point is, animals, like humans, should never suffer like that.
before i go on tangents and contradict myself ill just stop now :)
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Thats why I eat kosher meat, i think thats how you spell kosher. The leanest park of the animal with minimal fat and the animal is killed that prevents the least amount of cruelty
I've been a vegetarian since I was 14, I remember when I "came out" to my parents they shocked and appalled, but they eventually grew to accept it. And in all honesty going vegetarian was one of the easiest things I've ever done. I’ve given up much harder things. After a while you no longer think of animals as food and I've completely forgotten what meat tastes like, and I have no inclination to try and remember.
Not to bring a religious aspect into this discussion, but I believe that religion has had a profound impact on dietary habits of people, i.e. jews and kosher. And even more so if I remember correctly the catholic church charged Leonardo Da Vinci with being a heretic because he was a vegetarian, citing that god gave us dominion over the animals and it is serving god to eat them.
Not to bring a religious aspect into this discussion, but I believe that religion has had a profound impact on dietary habits of people, i.e. jews and kosher. And even more so if I remember correctly the catholic church charged Leonardo Da Vinci with being a heretic because he was a vegetarian, citing that god gave us dominion over the animals and it is serving god to eat them.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It didn't seem like an exaggeration to me!
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Don't take seriously posts that end with a ;-) or a ;)[/QUOTE]
Damn, I've been told...! ;)
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Don't take seriously posts that end with a ;-) or a ;)[/QUOTE]
Damn, I've been told...! ;)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]josedequeso wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I've been a vegetarian since I was 14, I remember when I "came out" to my parents they shocked and appalled, but they eventually grew to accept it. And in all honesty going vegetarian was one of the easiest things I've ever done. I’ve given up much harder things. After a while you no longer think of animals as food and I've completely forgotten what meat tastes like, and I have no inclination to try and remember.
Not to bring a religious aspect into this discussion, but I believe that religion has had a profound impact on dietary habits of people, i.e. jews and kosher. And even more so if I remember correctly the catholic church charged Leonardo Da Vinci with being a heretic because he was a vegetarian, citing that god gave us dominion over the animals and it is serving god to eat them.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand what's the big deal with criticizing people who go vegetarian. It's your own fuckin' body, and people make a fuss over it as if going vegetarian was like doing drugs.
I know there's an issue with missing essential vitamins and minerals found in meat, but there's always vitamin supplements for that.
Not to bring a religious aspect into this discussion, but I believe that religion has had a profound impact on dietary habits of people, i.e. jews and kosher. And even more so if I remember correctly the catholic church charged Leonardo Da Vinci with being a heretic because he was a vegetarian, citing that god gave us dominion over the animals and it is serving god to eat them.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand what's the big deal with criticizing people who go vegetarian. It's your own fuckin' body, and people make a fuss over it as if going vegetarian was like doing drugs.
I know there's an issue with missing essential vitamins and minerals found in meat, but there's always vitamin supplements for that.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I don't understand what's the big deal with criticizing people who go vegetarian. It's your own fuckin' body, and people make a fuss over it as if going vegetarian was like doing drugs.
I know there's an issue with missing essential vitamins and minerals found in meat, but there's always vitamin supplements for that. [/QUOTE]
This isn't always an issue because (if followed properly) a vegetarian diet includes more vegetables, grains, nuts and soy products than non-vegetarian diets. The only thing they're really missing is the fat found in meat. And many vegetarians weren't true meat-eaters anyway, meaning it wasn't meat and potatoes for them every night. So, there isn't a drastic change in their diets when they stop eating it. Others have to be more careful.
As for the deal with people criticizing those who go vegetarian, personally, I think it's simply due to ignorance. More people would rather criticize someone for not doing what they consider 'normal' than ask questions about it and risk showing there's something for them to learn.
Or, they feel you're insulting them by wanting to do something so different than what they do. This isn't only restricted to vegetarianism. When I mentioned homeschooling to people (which I've been doing for/with my daughter for a second year now) people immediately defended their school and school district as if by pulling my child out, I was insulting them for keeping their kids in. So, IMHO, it's either ignorance or a defense mechanism that causes people to insult someone who chooses to do something new.
Imagine Archie Bunker if "Meathead" suddenly became vegan. It's extreme of course, but I think of that often when people respond negatively.
But seriously, if you're thinking about this, try not to let questions from others concern you. The more you look into it, and the longer you try it - if that's what you choose to do - the easier it will be to answer those questions and 'defend' your choice. Again, like me with homeschooling. There were tons of vital questions people asked that I couldn't answer at first. Once I was able to answer them with confidence, I knew I'd made the right decision for myself and my child. Only you know what's right for you. Don't let the attitude of others make you doubt that.
Sorry I went on so long here. Must have made extra stong coffee this AM.
I don't understand what's the big deal with criticizing people who go vegetarian. It's your own fuckin' body, and people make a fuss over it as if going vegetarian was like doing drugs.
I know there's an issue with missing essential vitamins and minerals found in meat, but there's always vitamin supplements for that. [/QUOTE]
This isn't always an issue because (if followed properly) a vegetarian diet includes more vegetables, grains, nuts and soy products than non-vegetarian diets. The only thing they're really missing is the fat found in meat. And many vegetarians weren't true meat-eaters anyway, meaning it wasn't meat and potatoes for them every night. So, there isn't a drastic change in their diets when they stop eating it. Others have to be more careful.
As for the deal with people criticizing those who go vegetarian, personally, I think it's simply due to ignorance. More people would rather criticize someone for not doing what they consider 'normal' than ask questions about it and risk showing there's something for them to learn.
Or, they feel you're insulting them by wanting to do something so different than what they do. This isn't only restricted to vegetarianism. When I mentioned homeschooling to people (which I've been doing for/with my daughter for a second year now) people immediately defended their school and school district as if by pulling my child out, I was insulting them for keeping their kids in. So, IMHO, it's either ignorance or a defense mechanism that causes people to insult someone who chooses to do something new.
Imagine Archie Bunker if "Meathead" suddenly became vegan. It's extreme of course, but I think of that often when people respond negatively.
But seriously, if you're thinking about this, try not to let questions from others concern you. The more you look into it, and the longer you try it - if that's what you choose to do - the easier it will be to answer those questions and 'defend' your choice. Again, like me with homeschooling. There were tons of vital questions people asked that I couldn't answer at first. Once I was able to answer them with confidence, I knew I'd made the right decision for myself and my child. Only you know what's right for you. Don't let the attitude of others make you doubt that.
Sorry I went on so long here. Must have made extra stong coffee this AM.
If people wanna go vegetarian, fine.
But I can't stop eating meat and I can't stand vegetarian people who try to convince me to become vegetarian.
Humans aren't "special" creatures, they're just animals, and they have their needs. Some animals eat others.
And I agree fully with MusicMan's post...
I dunno about other countries, but here in Brazil the government controls the meat. To make sure we aren't eating meat with any kind of disease. And there are laws about animal rights here. So, if we only buy "legal" meat, that has been checked by the government, we're definitely not supporting violence against animals, because if the government agents had seen any kind of torture against animals, the farm would've been reported.
But I can't stop eating meat and I can't stand vegetarian people who try to convince me to become vegetarian.
Humans aren't "special" creatures, they're just animals, and they have their needs. Some animals eat others.
And I agree fully with MusicMan's post...
I dunno about other countries, but here in Brazil the government controls the meat. To make sure we aren't eating meat with any kind of disease. And there are laws about animal rights here. So, if we only buy "legal" meat, that has been checked by the government, we're definitely not supporting violence against animals, because if the government agents had seen any kind of torture against animals, the farm would've been reported.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But I can't stop eating meat and I can't stand vegetarian people who try to convince me to become vegetarian.[/QUOTE]
It's called free speech. People should be allowed to present others with alternatives to views commonly accepted by society, within reasonable limits, of course.
[QUOTE]Humans aren't "special" creatures, they're just animals, and they have their needs. Some animals eat others.[/QUOTE]
We aren't special per se, but we are the only creatures capable of enough critical thought to the point of realizing that there are moral issues when it comes to eating animals.
[QUOTE]I dunno about other countries, but here in Brazil the government controls the meat. To make sure we aren't eating meat with any kind of disease. And there are laws about animal rights here. So, if we only buy "legal" meat, that has been checked by the government, we're definitely not supporting violence against animals, because if the government agents had seen any kind of torture against animals, the farm would've been reported.[/QUOTE]
That's definitely a great step. Can you direct us to a website that describes the laws in detail?
It's called free speech. People should be allowed to present others with alternatives to views commonly accepted by society, within reasonable limits, of course.
[QUOTE]Humans aren't "special" creatures, they're just animals, and they have their needs. Some animals eat others.[/QUOTE]
We aren't special per se, but we are the only creatures capable of enough critical thought to the point of realizing that there are moral issues when it comes to eating animals.
[QUOTE]I dunno about other countries, but here in Brazil the government controls the meat. To make sure we aren't eating meat with any kind of disease. And there are laws about animal rights here. So, if we only buy "legal" meat, that has been checked by the government, we're definitely not supporting violence against animals, because if the government agents had seen any kind of torture against animals, the farm would've been reported.[/QUOTE]
That's definitely a great step. Can you direct us to a website that describes the laws in detail?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
That's definitely a great step. Can you direct us to a website that describes the laws in detail?
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I can try to look for one, but I doubt there's any "special" law, anything that doesn't exist in the USA, Canada, European countries in general...
All I know is that you can actually be arrested for violence against animals here, and also that the government tries to control all the meat we eat, to prevent people from selling meat that could actually cause us harm (such as meat from sick animals). As we have laws about violence against animals, the farms that the government check out would have legal issues if they treated their animals poorly, considering agents go there regulary.
That's definitely a great step. Can you direct us to a website that describes the laws in detail?
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I can try to look for one, but I doubt there's any "special" law, anything that doesn't exist in the USA, Canada, European countries in general...
All I know is that you can actually be arrested for violence against animals here, and also that the government tries to control all the meat we eat, to prevent people from selling meat that could actually cause us harm (such as meat from sick animals). As we have laws about violence against animals, the farms that the government check out would have legal issues if they treated their animals poorly, considering agents go there regulary.
Interesting. Cheers for the info.
I'm no expert on Canada's/USA's policies on meat though, so I can't tell you if they're any better or worse here. Out of suspicion, I'll go with worse.
I'm no expert on Canada's/USA's policies on meat though, so I can't tell you if they're any better or worse here. Out of suspicion, I'll go with worse.
I e-mailed PETA with my concerns that if the world went vegan or vegetarian tomorrow, that millions upon millions of livestock animals would have to be put to death because it would be completely uneconomical to keep them all alive.
Their response? A simple link to a site with an FAQ on the matter, which boiled down to 'we'll let them die out slowly'.
These barbarians at PETA not only want to see the agricultural workforce bled completely dry, but they're resigned to the death of the animals already! They just don't want us putting their flesh to good use..... they think that if it happens 'gradually', it'll be more palatable.
Out of sight, out of mind, eh PETA?
What a bunch of hypocrites.
Their response? A simple link to a site with an FAQ on the matter, which boiled down to 'we'll let them die out slowly'.
These barbarians at PETA not only want to see the agricultural workforce bled completely dry, but they're resigned to the death of the animals already! They just don't want us putting their flesh to good use..... they think that if it happens 'gradually', it'll be more palatable.
Out of sight, out of mind, eh PETA?
What a bunch of hypocrites.
what a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE video,the part where they throw the chickens in the boxes it's so sad :'(
I'm a vegetarion too, for about three quarter year now, and it's not that hard, but if you dont like the meat replacers, it's getting hard.
Chicken wings are really nice, but it's not like i can't resist it, i can resist it very well.
After a while you don't even miss the meat, as long as you don't smell it. In some countries it's hard too choose something vegatarian because not al countries have lots of vegetarian products.
When i saw the animals on tv, how they were treated, i decided to become a vegetarian.
I hate people who say like: It's so sad for those cats being eaten in china, but when you ask them if they think its sad for chickens, cows too, they say no, they're just stupid cows, who cares?
I think you should become vegatarian or at least eat vegetarian a few times per week.
I'm a vegetarion too, for about three quarter year now, and it's not that hard, but if you dont like the meat replacers, it's getting hard.
Chicken wings are really nice, but it's not like i can't resist it, i can resist it very well.
After a while you don't even miss the meat, as long as you don't smell it. In some countries it's hard too choose something vegatarian because not al countries have lots of vegetarian products.
When i saw the animals on tv, how they were treated, i decided to become a vegetarian.
I hate people who say like: It's so sad for those cats being eaten in china, but when you ask them if they think its sad for chickens, cows too, they say no, they're just stupid cows, who cares?
I think you should become vegatarian or at least eat vegetarian a few times per week.
I went veggie for a year but xmas was too much of a temptation and I started eating meat again. Make sure you replace you're meat with Quorn or summit like that otherwise your body will suffer.