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Ozzie helps Jake E. Lee keep time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqtk6kKTlDM
Clapton shreds!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCzUMjCykn8
Slash shreds and does birdie impressions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEwIRZ9pLCM&feature=related
Eddie Van halen raises the bar again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXbCt_1mrak
Brian May, the total professional
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vdzp8yX3kM
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Obviously some very talented guitarists here on Queenzone :P
Awesome, a bunch of fake videos. And a bunch of youtubers buying that crap.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Awesome, a bunch of fake videos. And a bunch of youtubers buying that crap.[/QUOTE]
There are, indeed, many many stupid people in the world, and quite a few of them are on here...
There are, indeed, many many stupid people in the world, and quite a few of them are on here...
The good thing is that if you wanna make one of those videos of Jimmy Page, you don't really have to overdub anything.
;)
;)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The good thing is that if you wanna make one of those videos of Jimmy Page, you don't really have to overdub anything.
;)[/QUOTE]
Why must you criticize any guitarist who doesn't play a million notes a minute perfectly cleanly? Maybe it's about time you started growing as a musician and realized that technical ability isn't what it's all about. Chet Atkins is a legend for his technical ability and versatility, but Johnny Cash is a legend too.
I'll take Achilles Last Stand over For The Love Of God any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
;)[/QUOTE]
Why must you criticize any guitarist who doesn't play a million notes a minute perfectly cleanly? Maybe it's about time you started growing as a musician and realized that technical ability isn't what it's all about. Chet Atkins is a legend for his technical ability and versatility, but Johnny Cash is a legend too.
I'll take Achilles Last Stand over For The Love Of God any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Some people think of the guitar as a game, whereas others think of the guitar as an instrument. It's a shame, because one will never amount to much as a musician until he embraces the latter.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=666600><b>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Some people think of the guitar as a game, whereas others think of the guitar as an instrument. It's a shame, because one will never amount to much as a musician until he embraces the latter.[/QUOTE]
Very well put. I couldn't care less about how hard a song is, as long as it sounds good to me.
Very well put. I couldn't care less about how hard a song is, as long as it sounds good to me.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The good thing is that if you wanna make one of those videos of Jimmy Page, you don't really have to overdub anything.
;)[/QUOTE]
Why must you criticize any guitarist who doesn't play a million notes a minute perfectly cleanly? Maybe it's about time you started growing as a musician and realized that technical ability isn't what it's all about. Chet Atkins is a legend for his technical ability and versatility, but Johnny Cash is a legend too.
I'll take Achilles Last Stand over For The Love Of God any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
[/QUOTE]I must criticize any guitarist who doesn't play clean at all, Jimmy Page is the personitifation of mediocrity.
Slow of fast is the same, it doesn't matter the speed. The point is playing correctly, and "correctly" and "Jimmy Page" aren't things you put together in a sentence.
So, according to you, if crappy musicians can be legengs too and deserve respect for that... then bad musicians don't exist. You can't argue with me because as we're all the same, you can't be right. We'd be ALL wrong.
So next time someone says "JOHNNY RAMONE IS A BETTER SINGER THAN IAN GILLIAN" you must say "YES, SIR", for fuckwits can be legens too, so you can't argue.
And you shouldn't be replying to me either, as I'd be right and wrong at the same time, just like you.
By replying to me, you're contradicting yourself.
Don't get philosophical with me, okay?
PS: You'll take led zep over Steve Vai just because you're a moron that obviously can't tell holy perfection from CRAP.
:)
;)[/QUOTE]
Why must you criticize any guitarist who doesn't play a million notes a minute perfectly cleanly? Maybe it's about time you started growing as a musician and realized that technical ability isn't what it's all about. Chet Atkins is a legend for his technical ability and versatility, but Johnny Cash is a legend too.
I'll take Achilles Last Stand over For The Love Of God any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
[/QUOTE]I must criticize any guitarist who doesn't play clean at all, Jimmy Page is the personitifation of mediocrity.
Slow of fast is the same, it doesn't matter the speed. The point is playing correctly, and "correctly" and "Jimmy Page" aren't things you put together in a sentence.
So, according to you, if crappy musicians can be legengs too and deserve respect for that... then bad musicians don't exist. You can't argue with me because as we're all the same, you can't be right. We'd be ALL wrong.
So next time someone says "JOHNNY RAMONE IS A BETTER SINGER THAN IAN GILLIAN" you must say "YES, SIR", for fuckwits can be legens too, so you can't argue.
And you shouldn't be replying to me either, as I'd be right and wrong at the same time, just like you.
By replying to me, you're contradicting yourself.
Don't get philosophical with me, okay?
PS: You'll take led zep over Steve Vai just because you're a moron that obviously can't tell holy perfection from CRAP.
:)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=666600><b>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Some people think of the guitar as a game, whereas others think of the guitar as an instrument. It's a shame, because one will never amount to much as a musician until he embraces the latter.[/QUOTE]
That's true.
Jimmy Page:
"I'm not a guitarist as far as technician goes."
Steve Vai:
"I used to practice up to six hours a day."
See? Who does really care about being a good guitarist and who is an idiot? Who plays flawlessly and who is lucky when he actually plays something right?
That's true.
Jimmy Page:
"I'm not a guitarist as far as technician goes."
Steve Vai:
"I used to practice up to six hours a day."
See? Who does really care about being a good guitarist and who is an idiot? Who plays flawlessly and who is lucky when he actually plays something right?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I must criticize any guitarist who doesn't play clean at all, Jimmy Page is the personitifation of mediocrity. [/QUOTE]
Why?
[QUOTE]
Slow of fast is the same, it doesn't matter the speed. The point is playing correctly, and "correctly" and "Jimmy Page" aren't things you put together in a sentence.[/QUOTE]
How can YOU tell whether he's playing HIS songs correctly on record or not?
And before you come up with all the theory bullshit - how can he be "wrong" yet lots of people still love his work? It may sound bad to YOU, but that's simply your personal opinion.
Music isn't a competition to see who's faster or more accurate, music is about putting good sounds together, and Page did that much better than many people who think they just need to learn how to play two-hand tapping at 240bpm.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]So, according to you, if crappy musicians can be legengs too and deserve respect for that... then bad musicians don't exist. You can't argue with me because as we're all the same, you can't be right. We'd be ALL wrong.[/QUOTE]
If you think "crappy" means "who doesn't use lots of different technique" and "good" means "very technical", then I think YOU are mediocre.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
So next time someone says "JOHNNY RAMONE IS A BETTER SINGER THAN IAN GILLIAN" you must say "YES, SIR", for fuckwits can be legens too, so you can't argue.
[/QUOTE]
Johnny Ramone never needed to prove he could sing - he was a guitarist.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]PS: You'll take led zep over Steve Vai just because you're a moron that obviously can't tell holy perfection from CRAP.
:)[/QUOTE]
Stupidest remark I've heard in ages. You surprise me sometimes.
[QUOTE]
Jimmy Page:
"I'm not a guitarist as far as technician goes."
Steve Vai:
"I used to practice up to six hours a day."
See? Who does really care about being a good guitarist and who is an idiot? Who plays flawlessly and who is lucky when he actually plays something right?[/QUOTE]
I take back what I said a minute ago. THIS is the stupidest remark.
You are underrating music. It takes much more (or "much less", depending on the point of view) than advanced techniques to make good music. You can practice 10 hours a day for 5 years, and you'll end up getting accuracy. Just like any teenager who spends days and nights on MSN ends up becoming a good typer at some point. But creativity to make excellent music and influence several generations of new guitarists DEFINITELY won't come from sitting on your bed and playing "1-3-4" exercises.
I must criticize any guitarist who doesn't play clean at all, Jimmy Page is the personitifation of mediocrity. [/QUOTE]
Why?
[QUOTE]
Slow of fast is the same, it doesn't matter the speed. The point is playing correctly, and "correctly" and "Jimmy Page" aren't things you put together in a sentence.[/QUOTE]
How can YOU tell whether he's playing HIS songs correctly on record or not?
And before you come up with all the theory bullshit - how can he be "wrong" yet lots of people still love his work? It may sound bad to YOU, but that's simply your personal opinion.
Music isn't a competition to see who's faster or more accurate, music is about putting good sounds together, and Page did that much better than many people who think they just need to learn how to play two-hand tapping at 240bpm.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]So, according to you, if crappy musicians can be legengs too and deserve respect for that... then bad musicians don't exist. You can't argue with me because as we're all the same, you can't be right. We'd be ALL wrong.[/QUOTE]
If you think "crappy" means "who doesn't use lots of different technique" and "good" means "very technical", then I think YOU are mediocre.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
So next time someone says "JOHNNY RAMONE IS A BETTER SINGER THAN IAN GILLIAN" you must say "YES, SIR", for fuckwits can be legens too, so you can't argue.
[/QUOTE]
Johnny Ramone never needed to prove he could sing - he was a guitarist.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]PS: You'll take led zep over Steve Vai just because you're a moron that obviously can't tell holy perfection from CRAP.
:)[/QUOTE]
Stupidest remark I've heard in ages. You surprise me sometimes.
[QUOTE]
Jimmy Page:
"I'm not a guitarist as far as technician goes."
Steve Vai:
"I used to practice up to six hours a day."
See? Who does really care about being a good guitarist and who is an idiot? Who plays flawlessly and who is lucky when he actually plays something right?[/QUOTE]
I take back what I said a minute ago. THIS is the stupidest remark.
You are underrating music. It takes much more (or "much less", depending on the point of view) than advanced techniques to make good music. You can practice 10 hours a day for 5 years, and you'll end up getting accuracy. Just like any teenager who spends days and nights on MSN ends up becoming a good typer at some point. But creativity to make excellent music and influence several generations of new guitarists DEFINITELY won't come from sitting on your bed and playing "1-3-4" exercises.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I must criticize any guitarist who doesn't play clean at all, Jimmy Page is the personification of mediocrity. [/QUOTE]
Why?[/QUOTE]
Because I like doing it :-P
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Slow of fast is the same, it doesn't matter the speed. The point is playing correctly, and "correctly" and "Jimmy Page" aren't things you put together in a sentence.[/QUOTE]
How can YOU tell whether he's playing HIS songs correctly on record or not?
And before you come up with all the theory bullshit - how can he be "wrong" yet lots of people still love his work? It may sound bad to YOU, but that's simply your personal opinion.
Music isn't a competition to see who's faster or more accurate, music is about putting good sounds together, and Page did that much better than many people who think they just need to learn how to play two-hand tapping at 240bpm.[/QUOTE]
Ok, then Page's playing is based on sounding just like crap. He does a hell of a job!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]So, according to you, if crappy musicians can be legengs too and deserve respect for that... then bad musicians don't exist. You can't argue with me because as we're all the same, you can't be right. We'd be ALL wrong.[/QUOTE]
If you think "crappy" means "who doesn't use lots of different technique" and "good" means "very technical", then I think YOU are mediocre. [/QUOTE]
Crappy means "can't even play what he tries to", if you don't use lots of different techniques either, then you're Jimmy Page.
Good means "without mistakes". It doesn't mean fast, doesn't mean highly technical. Just "without mistakes". You want to raise the standards of what you think "good" means to me so it's not that Jimmy Page sucks but me being too exigent.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
So next time someone says "JOHNNY RAMONE IS A BETTER SINGER THAN IAN GILLIAN" you must say "YES, SIR", for fuckwits can be legens too, so you can't argue.
[/QUOTE]
Johnny Ramone never needed to prove he could sing - he was a guitarist. [/QUOTE]
That's my point. Jimmy Page wasn't a guitar player either, was a talentless performer. So if someone who doesn't even know how to play the guitar is a better guitar player than Jeff Beck (i.e), then Johnny Ramone could be a better singer than Ian Gillian.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]PS: You'll take led zep over Steve Vai just because you're a moron that obviously can't tell holy perfection from CRAP.
:)[/QUOTE]
Stupidest remark I've heard in ages. You surprise me sometimes.[/QUOTE]Howerver, you never surprise me, honestly.
I must criticize any guitarist who doesn't play clean at all, Jimmy Page is the personification of mediocrity. [/QUOTE]
Why?[/QUOTE]
Because I like doing it :-P
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Slow of fast is the same, it doesn't matter the speed. The point is playing correctly, and "correctly" and "Jimmy Page" aren't things you put together in a sentence.[/QUOTE]
How can YOU tell whether he's playing HIS songs correctly on record or not?
And before you come up with all the theory bullshit - how can he be "wrong" yet lots of people still love his work? It may sound bad to YOU, but that's simply your personal opinion.
Music isn't a competition to see who's faster or more accurate, music is about putting good sounds together, and Page did that much better than many people who think they just need to learn how to play two-hand tapping at 240bpm.[/QUOTE]
Ok, then Page's playing is based on sounding just like crap. He does a hell of a job!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]So, according to you, if crappy musicians can be legengs too and deserve respect for that... then bad musicians don't exist. You can't argue with me because as we're all the same, you can't be right. We'd be ALL wrong.[/QUOTE]
If you think "crappy" means "who doesn't use lots of different technique" and "good" means "very technical", then I think YOU are mediocre. [/QUOTE]
Crappy means "can't even play what he tries to", if you don't use lots of different techniques either, then you're Jimmy Page.
Good means "without mistakes". It doesn't mean fast, doesn't mean highly technical. Just "without mistakes". You want to raise the standards of what you think "good" means to me so it's not that Jimmy Page sucks but me being too exigent.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
So next time someone says "JOHNNY RAMONE IS A BETTER SINGER THAN IAN GILLIAN" you must say "YES, SIR", for fuckwits can be legens too, so you can't argue.
[/QUOTE]
Johnny Ramone never needed to prove he could sing - he was a guitarist. [/QUOTE]
That's my point. Jimmy Page wasn't a guitar player either, was a talentless performer. So if someone who doesn't even know how to play the guitar is a better guitar player than Jeff Beck (i.e), then Johnny Ramone could be a better singer than Ian Gillian.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]PS: You'll take led zep over Steve Vai just because you're a moron that obviously can't tell holy perfection from CRAP.
:)[/QUOTE]
Stupidest remark I've heard in ages. You surprise me sometimes.[/QUOTE]Howerver, you never surprise me, honestly.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I must criticize any guitarist who doesn't play clean at all, Jimmy Page is the personification of mediocrity. [/QUOTE]
Why?[/QUOTE]
Because I like doing it :-P
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Slow of fast is the same, it doesn't matter the speed. The point is playing correctly, and "correctly" and "Jimmy Page" aren't things you put together in a sentence.[/QUOTE]
How can YOU tell whether he's playing HIS songs correctly on record or not?
And before you come up with all the theory bullshit - how can he be "wrong" yet lots of people still love his work? It may sound bad to YOU, but that's simply your personal opinion.
Music isn't a competition to see who's faster or more accurate, music is about putting good sounds together, and Page did that much better than many people who think they just need to learn how to play two-hand tapping at 240bpm.[/QUOTE]
Ok, then Page's playing is based on sounding just like crap. He does a hell of a job!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]So, according to you, if crappy musicians can be legengs too and deserve respect for that... then bad musicians don't exist. You can't argue with me because as we're all the same, you can't be right. We'd be ALL wrong.[/QUOTE]
If you think "crappy" means "who doesn't use lots of different technique" and "good" means "very technical", then I think YOU are mediocre. [/QUOTE]
Crappy means "can't even play what he tries to", if you don't use lots of different techniques either, then you're Jimmy Page.
Good means "without mistakes". It doesn't mean fast, doesn't mean highly technical. Just "without mistakes". You want to raise the standards of what you think "good" means to me so it's not that Jimmy Page sucks but me being too exigent.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
So next time someone says "JOHNNY RAMONE IS A BETTER SINGER THAN IAN GILLIAN" you must say "YES, SIR", for fuckwits can be legens too, so you can't argue.
[/QUOTE]
Johnny Ramone never needed to prove he could sing - he was a guitarist. [/QUOTE]
That's my point. Jimmy Page wasn't a guitar player either, was a talentless performer. So if someone who doesn't even know how to play the guitar is a better guitar player than Jeff Beck (i.e), then Johnny Ramone could be a better singer than Ian Gillian.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]PS: You'll take led zep over Steve Vai just because you're a moron that obviously can't tell holy perfection from CRAP.
:)[/QUOTE]
Stupidest remark I've heard in ages. You surprise me sometimes.[/QUOTE]Howerver, you never surprise me, honestly.[/QUOTE]
I rest my case, you make yourself look like a big joke, I don't need to do much. :)
I must criticize any guitarist who doesn't play clean at all, Jimmy Page is the personification of mediocrity. [/QUOTE]
Why?[/QUOTE]
Because I like doing it :-P
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Slow of fast is the same, it doesn't matter the speed. The point is playing correctly, and "correctly" and "Jimmy Page" aren't things you put together in a sentence.[/QUOTE]
How can YOU tell whether he's playing HIS songs correctly on record or not?
And before you come up with all the theory bullshit - how can he be "wrong" yet lots of people still love his work? It may sound bad to YOU, but that's simply your personal opinion.
Music isn't a competition to see who's faster or more accurate, music is about putting good sounds together, and Page did that much better than many people who think they just need to learn how to play two-hand tapping at 240bpm.[/QUOTE]
Ok, then Page's playing is based on sounding just like crap. He does a hell of a job!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]So, according to you, if crappy musicians can be legengs too and deserve respect for that... then bad musicians don't exist. You can't argue with me because as we're all the same, you can't be right. We'd be ALL wrong.[/QUOTE]
If you think "crappy" means "who doesn't use lots of different technique" and "good" means "very technical", then I think YOU are mediocre. [/QUOTE]
Crappy means "can't even play what he tries to", if you don't use lots of different techniques either, then you're Jimmy Page.
Good means "without mistakes". It doesn't mean fast, doesn't mean highly technical. Just "without mistakes". You want to raise the standards of what you think "good" means to me so it's not that Jimmy Page sucks but me being too exigent.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
So next time someone says "JOHNNY RAMONE IS A BETTER SINGER THAN IAN GILLIAN" you must say "YES, SIR", for fuckwits can be legens too, so you can't argue.
[/QUOTE]
Johnny Ramone never needed to prove he could sing - he was a guitarist. [/QUOTE]
That's my point. Jimmy Page wasn't a guitar player either, was a talentless performer. So if someone who doesn't even know how to play the guitar is a better guitar player than Jeff Beck (i.e), then Johnny Ramone could be a better singer than Ian Gillian.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]PS: You'll take led zep over Steve Vai just because you're a moron that obviously can't tell holy perfection from CRAP.
:)[/QUOTE]
Stupidest remark I've heard in ages. You surprise me sometimes.[/QUOTE]Howerver, you never surprise me, honestly.[/QUOTE]
I rest my case, you make yourself look like a big joke, I don't need to do much. :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE]Jimmy Page:
"I'm not a guitarist as far as technician goes."
Steve Vai:
"I used to practice up to six hours a day."
See? Who does really care about being a good guitarist and who is an idiot? Who plays flawlessly and who is lucky when he actually plays something right?[/QUOTE]
I take back what I said a minute ago. THIS is the stupidest remark.
You are underrating music. It takes much more (or "much less", depending on the point of view) than advanced techniques to make good music. You can practice 10 hours a day for 5 years, and you'll end up getting accuracy. Just like any teenager who spends days and nights on MSN ends up becoming a good typer at some point. But creativity to make excellent music and influence several generations of new guitarists DEFINITELY won't come from sitting on your bed and playing "1-3-4" exercises.
[/QUOTE]
You're overrating Page.
You can practice 10 hours a day for 5 years and you'll end up gettin accuracy. Yes, most likely.
Or you could be Jimmy Page, play for more than 30 years and still don't get how to play correctly.
Anyway, this is the same story again. We're talking about playing guitar, not about writing music.
Anyway, Steve Vai is both a better player and a better songwriter.
"I'm not a guitarist as far as technician goes."
Steve Vai:
"I used to practice up to six hours a day."
See? Who does really care about being a good guitarist and who is an idiot? Who plays flawlessly and who is lucky when he actually plays something right?[/QUOTE]
I take back what I said a minute ago. THIS is the stupidest remark.
You are underrating music. It takes much more (or "much less", depending on the point of view) than advanced techniques to make good music. You can practice 10 hours a day for 5 years, and you'll end up getting accuracy. Just like any teenager who spends days and nights on MSN ends up becoming a good typer at some point. But creativity to make excellent music and influence several generations of new guitarists DEFINITELY won't come from sitting on your bed and playing "1-3-4" exercises.
[/QUOTE]
You're overrating Page.
You can practice 10 hours a day for 5 years and you'll end up gettin accuracy. Yes, most likely.
Or you could be Jimmy Page, play for more than 30 years and still don't get how to play correctly.
Anyway, this is the same story again. We're talking about playing guitar, not about writing music.
Anyway, Steve Vai is both a better player and a better songwriter.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I must criticize any guitarist who doesn't play clean at all, Jimmy Page is the personification of mediocrity. [/QUOTE]
Why?[/QUOTE]
Because I like doing it :-P
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Slow of fast is the same, it doesn't matter the speed. The point is playing correctly, and "correctly" and "Jimmy Page" aren't things you put together in a sentence.[/QUOTE]
How can YOU tell whether he's playing HIS songs correctly on record or not?
And before you come up with all the theory bullshit - how can he be "wrong" yet lots of people still love his work? It may sound bad to YOU, but that's simply your personal opinion.
Music isn't a competition to see who's faster or more accurate, music is about putting good sounds together, and Page did that much better than many people who think they just need to learn how to play two-hand tapping at 240bpm.[/QUOTE]
Ok, then Page's playing is based on sounding just like crap. He does a hell of a job!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]So, according to you, if crappy musicians can be legengs too and deserve respect for that... then bad musicians don't exist. You can't argue with me because as we're all the same, you can't be right. We'd be ALL wrong.[/QUOTE]
If you think "crappy" means "who doesn't use lots of different technique" and "good" means "very technical", then I think YOU are mediocre. [/QUOTE]
Crappy means "can't even play what he tries to", if you don't use lots of different techniques either, then you're Jimmy Page.
Good means "without mistakes". It doesn't mean fast, doesn't mean highly technical. Just "without mistakes". You want to raise the standards of what you think "good" means to me so it's not that Jimmy Page sucks but me being too exigent.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
So next time someone says "JOHNNY RAMONE IS A BETTER SINGER THAN IAN GILLIAN" you must say "YES, SIR", for fuckwits can be legens too, so you can't argue.
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Johnny Ramone never needed to prove he could sing - he was a guitarist. [/QUOTE]
That's my point. Jimmy Page wasn't a guitar player either, was a talentless performer. So if someone who doesn't even know how to play the guitar is a better guitar player than Jeff Beck (i.e), then Johnny Ramone could be a better singer than Ian Gillian.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]PS: You'll take led zep over Steve Vai just because you're a moron that obviously can't tell holy perfection from CRAP.
:)[/QUOTE]
Stupidest remark I've heard in ages. You surprise me sometimes.[/QUOTE]Howerver, you never surprise me, honestly.[/QUOTE]
I rest my case, you make yourself look like a big joke, I don't need to do much. :)[/QUOTE]What's up? Don't know how to answer?
;)
I must criticize any guitarist who doesn't play clean at all, Jimmy Page is the personification of mediocrity. [/QUOTE]
Why?[/QUOTE]
Because I like doing it :-P
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Slow of fast is the same, it doesn't matter the speed. The point is playing correctly, and "correctly" and "Jimmy Page" aren't things you put together in a sentence.[/QUOTE]
How can YOU tell whether he's playing HIS songs correctly on record or not?
And before you come up with all the theory bullshit - how can he be "wrong" yet lots of people still love his work? It may sound bad to YOU, but that's simply your personal opinion.
Music isn't a competition to see who's faster or more accurate, music is about putting good sounds together, and Page did that much better than many people who think they just need to learn how to play two-hand tapping at 240bpm.[/QUOTE]
Ok, then Page's playing is based on sounding just like crap. He does a hell of a job!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]So, according to you, if crappy musicians can be legengs too and deserve respect for that... then bad musicians don't exist. You can't argue with me because as we're all the same, you can't be right. We'd be ALL wrong.[/QUOTE]
If you think "crappy" means "who doesn't use lots of different technique" and "good" means "very technical", then I think YOU are mediocre. [/QUOTE]
Crappy means "can't even play what he tries to", if you don't use lots of different techniques either, then you're Jimmy Page.
Good means "without mistakes". It doesn't mean fast, doesn't mean highly technical. Just "without mistakes". You want to raise the standards of what you think "good" means to me so it's not that Jimmy Page sucks but me being too exigent.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
So next time someone says "JOHNNY RAMONE IS A BETTER SINGER THAN IAN GILLIAN" you must say "YES, SIR", for fuckwits can be legens too, so you can't argue.
[/QUOTE]
Johnny Ramone never needed to prove he could sing - he was a guitarist. [/QUOTE]
That's my point. Jimmy Page wasn't a guitar player either, was a talentless performer. So if someone who doesn't even know how to play the guitar is a better guitar player than Jeff Beck (i.e), then Johnny Ramone could be a better singer than Ian Gillian.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]PS: You'll take led zep over Steve Vai just because you're a moron that obviously can't tell holy perfection from CRAP.
:)[/QUOTE]
Stupidest remark I've heard in ages. You surprise me sometimes.[/QUOTE]Howerver, you never surprise me, honestly.[/QUOTE]
I rest my case, you make yourself look like a big joke, I don't need to do much. :)[/QUOTE]What's up? Don't know how to answer?
;)