[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]PS: If I ever write a song as simple, primitive, repetitive and boring as any of Page's, I FUCKING SWEAR I WON'T WRITE ANOTHER SONG IN MY LIFE.[/QUOTE]
If you ever write and play something that sounds like Page, I'm buying your album. :)))))))))))[/QUOTE]It's ok. Keep your money, I don't want people like you listening to my music.
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BREAKING NEWS:
Horsie joins Treasure Moment as lead guitar.
Convinced they're all better than each other or anyone else before them, they set off on a world tour in support of their new album that they only want SOME people listening to.
Tickets go on sale Wednesday.
Horsie joins Treasure Moment as lead guitar.
Convinced they're all better than each other or anyone else before them, they set off on a world tour in support of their new album that they only want SOME people listening to.
Tickets go on sale Wednesday.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]PS: If I ever write a song as simple, primitive, repetitive and boring as any of Page's, I FUCKING SWEAR I WON'T WRITE ANOTHER SONG IN MY LIFE.[/QUOTE]
If you ever write and play something that sounds like Page, I'm buying your album. :)))))))))))[/QUOTE]It's ok. Keep your money, I don't want people like you listening to my music.[/QUOTE]
http://i29.tinypic.com/2z9a35e.jpg
If you ever write and play something that sounds like Page, I'm buying your album. :)))))))))))[/QUOTE]It's ok. Keep your money, I don't want people like you listening to my music.[/QUOTE]
http://i29.tinypic.com/2z9a35e.jpg
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm not dissing Page for not being technically proficient but for being an utter crap. He never fails to surprise me with his sloppiness (which seems unlimited).[/QUOTE]
So what if he plays sloppy sometimes? Most of his audience aren't guitarists, so what do they care?
[QUOTE]And it is certainly not about maximizing the number of people that can get submerged into it.[/QUOTE]
Then it's a difference of opinion. I think music should be applicable to and enjoyed by as many people as possible (while not sacrificing your integrity), while you think music should impress other musicians.
Let's consider Stevie Wonder's 72-76 material for a moment. Those few records have sold more copies than every record by every virtuoso guitarist combined, and he is just as good a musician as they are. What makes Steve Vai and Eric Johnson better than him?
[QUOTE]Whatever you do with your work after that, it's your business but AT LEAST it should be a competent work played decently.[/QUOTE]
You have chosen to value "competence" over all other aspects of the overall musical picture. And it depends on what you think "decent" is. You label the music you like as "decent" purely from a technical standpoint. Most people don't.
[QUOTE]People that get submerged into something THAT sloppy it's because they can't notice the sloppiness.[/QUOTE]
Who cares... why should they? Why should it matter to them? Page wasn't playing for musicians. He was playing for whoever wanted to listen.
[QUOTE]It's not that they don't care, how could you "not care" if you actually noticed it?[/QUOTE]
Easily. I choose not to see the technical side as the most important side. So what if he hits an open string or a wrong note? The overall picture being presented is what counts, not just the guitar solo in the middle of the song. I don't limit my music listening to musicians who challenge me to get better. I'm not a musician 24/7. I'm a fan of music too. And music that isn't technical is just valid as music that is. Sometimes I want to hear the Dixie Dregs or Joe Pass, but sometimes I want to put on Rubber Soul or London Calling.
You're far too busy analzying every little note of every song you hear to the point that you miss what most artists are trying to say overall. You choose to eliminate most artists' credibility and passion because they're not at your level of technical understanding and ability. Most musicians aren't like that, though. Does that make you better than all of them?
You know what? Let's all listen to Shawn Lane and boycott everyone who is below him. Vai's skills are novice compared to Lane's.
[QUOTE]It makes me wanna cry that people think the term "played correctly" means "TOO TOO TOO DAMN TECHNICAL."[/QUOTE]
But that's the thing... you *choose* to define "correct" as "technically correct", over all else. Secondly, if people not agreeing with your musical opinions make you want to cry, then maybe it's time you re-examined your views a little more carefully.
[QUOTE]Philosophy would be great when debating about two works correctly played. I do believe that's when it comes into it.[/QUOTE]
Again, you're creating a limitation, based on a benchmark you're choosing to set. Any two pieces of music can be compared on any level. Who appointed you to be the rulemaker of music?
John Cage challenged the definition music, defining it as "the presence or absence of sound," and thus created a piece of music called "4:33" which consisted of pure silence. He saw the ambience of the room as music. It's all a matter of opinion. Music is ART. Stop trying to convince people that music has to be a certain way. It doesn't. That's the beauty of art. It's unlimited.
If a certain kind of art doesn't resonate with you, then let it go and focus
So what if he plays sloppy sometimes? Most of his audience aren't guitarists, so what do they care?
[QUOTE]And it is certainly not about maximizing the number of people that can get submerged into it.[/QUOTE]
Then it's a difference of opinion. I think music should be applicable to and enjoyed by as many people as possible (while not sacrificing your integrity), while you think music should impress other musicians.
Let's consider Stevie Wonder's 72-76 material for a moment. Those few records have sold more copies than every record by every virtuoso guitarist combined, and he is just as good a musician as they are. What makes Steve Vai and Eric Johnson better than him?
[QUOTE]Whatever you do with your work after that, it's your business but AT LEAST it should be a competent work played decently.[/QUOTE]
You have chosen to value "competence" over all other aspects of the overall musical picture. And it depends on what you think "decent" is. You label the music you like as "decent" purely from a technical standpoint. Most people don't.
[QUOTE]People that get submerged into something THAT sloppy it's because they can't notice the sloppiness.[/QUOTE]
Who cares... why should they? Why should it matter to them? Page wasn't playing for musicians. He was playing for whoever wanted to listen.
[QUOTE]It's not that they don't care, how could you "not care" if you actually noticed it?[/QUOTE]
Easily. I choose not to see the technical side as the most important side. So what if he hits an open string or a wrong note? The overall picture being presented is what counts, not just the guitar solo in the middle of the song. I don't limit my music listening to musicians who challenge me to get better. I'm not a musician 24/7. I'm a fan of music too. And music that isn't technical is just valid as music that is. Sometimes I want to hear the Dixie Dregs or Joe Pass, but sometimes I want to put on Rubber Soul or London Calling.
You're far too busy analzying every little note of every song you hear to the point that you miss what most artists are trying to say overall. You choose to eliminate most artists' credibility and passion because they're not at your level of technical understanding and ability. Most musicians aren't like that, though. Does that make you better than all of them?
You know what? Let's all listen to Shawn Lane and boycott everyone who is below him. Vai's skills are novice compared to Lane's.
[QUOTE]It makes me wanna cry that people think the term "played correctly" means "TOO TOO TOO DAMN TECHNICAL."[/QUOTE]
But that's the thing... you *choose* to define "correct" as "technically correct", over all else. Secondly, if people not agreeing with your musical opinions make you want to cry, then maybe it's time you re-examined your views a little more carefully.
[QUOTE]Philosophy would be great when debating about two works correctly played. I do believe that's when it comes into it.[/QUOTE]
Again, you're creating a limitation, based on a benchmark you're choosing to set. Any two pieces of music can be compared on any level. Who appointed you to be the rulemaker of music?
John Cage challenged the definition music, defining it as "the presence or absence of sound," and thus created a piece of music called "4:33" which consisted of pure silence. He saw the ambience of the room as music. It's all a matter of opinion. Music is ART. Stop trying to convince people that music has to be a certain way. It doesn't. That's the beauty of art. It's unlimited.
If a certain kind of art doesn't resonate with you, then let it go and focus
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Then, you're just saying that success doesn't mean a thing. It just means that people liked it.[/QUOTE]
People liking your music isn't success? What do you define "success" as?
[QUOTE]People often choose a solo played wrong like Stairway To Heaven over something amazingly played like Bo Rhap. People know shit about music. If they knew, we wouldn't be studying. What for? You study to learn, because you don't know. Most people know shit about music and don't understand anything at all.[/QUOTE]
And what's wrong with that? Think about this for a moment: you're not a carpenter, chef, or a travel agent. How would you like it if a carpenter came to your house and said it looked like crap because it didn't have certain embellishments that only a professional carpenter could create or appreciate? How would you like it if a chef told you your taste in food was inferior to his, because you don't like the obscure food he likes, and aren't able to differentiate between a hundred different spices? And how would you like it if a travel agent said you hadn't lived your life fully unless you had travelled to 50 different countries in your lifetime?
[QUOTE]I have my own opinion!![/QUOTE]
No kidding.
[QUOTE]If you really care about music you're not gonna put a technical limit to it. You will find amazing things that are not so technical and you will find incredible technical stuff too.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and you will find incredible stuff that isn't technical at all. You are the one putting the technical limit on music here. You have set a minimum. Nobody here has set a maximum.
[QUOTE]Whatever average people like or not, I don't give a fuck. It's me who's learning, practicing and studying. Not them. I trust my own point of view.[/QUOTE]
Good. Now start respecting theirs. I have no problem with your musical views, as they are what work for you. But just stop being dogmatic about it, insisting that your way of viewing music is the only correct way.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]http://rapidshare.de/files/38484981/Prelude_2_.mp3.html
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Very nice, interesting, and accessible piece of music. So, if you change your attitude towards musicians and common fans of music who think differently than you, then you've got a good future ahead of you. But if you walk into any gig, session, or even casual converation with your current attitude, then few people could care less of what your music sounds like. You're young, talented, and hopefully open to evolving as a person and musician. Good luck to you.
People liking your music isn't success? What do you define "success" as?
[QUOTE]People often choose a solo played wrong like Stairway To Heaven over something amazingly played like Bo Rhap. People know shit about music. If they knew, we wouldn't be studying. What for? You study to learn, because you don't know. Most people know shit about music and don't understand anything at all.[/QUOTE]
And what's wrong with that? Think about this for a moment: you're not a carpenter, chef, or a travel agent. How would you like it if a carpenter came to your house and said it looked like crap because it didn't have certain embellishments that only a professional carpenter could create or appreciate? How would you like it if a chef told you your taste in food was inferior to his, because you don't like the obscure food he likes, and aren't able to differentiate between a hundred different spices? And how would you like it if a travel agent said you hadn't lived your life fully unless you had travelled to 50 different countries in your lifetime?
[QUOTE]I have my own opinion!![/QUOTE]
No kidding.
[QUOTE]If you really care about music you're not gonna put a technical limit to it. You will find amazing things that are not so technical and you will find incredible technical stuff too.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and you will find incredible stuff that isn't technical at all. You are the one putting the technical limit on music here. You have set a minimum. Nobody here has set a maximum.
[QUOTE]Whatever average people like or not, I don't give a fuck. It's me who's learning, practicing and studying. Not them. I trust my own point of view.[/QUOTE]
Good. Now start respecting theirs. I have no problem with your musical views, as they are what work for you. But just stop being dogmatic about it, insisting that your way of viewing music is the only correct way.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]http://rapidshare.de/files/38484981/Prelude_2_.mp3.html
[/QUOTE]
Very nice, interesting, and accessible piece of music. So, if you change your attitude towards musicians and common fans of music who think differently than you, then you've got a good future ahead of you. But if you walk into any gig, session, or even casual converation with your current attitude, then few people could care less of what your music sounds like. You're young, talented, and hopefully open to evolving as a person and musician. Good luck to you.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm not dissing Page for not being technically proficient but for being an utter crap. He never fails to surprise me with his sloppiness (which seems unlimited).[/QUOTE]
So what if he plays sloppy sometimes? Most of his audience aren't guitarists, so what do they care?[/QUOTE]
They don't have to care, actually. It's about talking about something they don't understand.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And it is certainly not about maximizing the number of people that can get submerged into it.[/QUOTE]
Then it's a difference of opinion. I think music should be applicable to and enjoyed by as many people as possible (while not sacrificing your integrity), while you think music should impress other musicians.
Let's consider Stevie Wonder's 72-76 material for a moment. Those few records have sold more copies than every record by every virtuoso guitarist combined, and he is just as good a musician as they are. What makes Steve Vai and Eric Johnson better than him?[/QUOTE]
First of all, I don't think music should impress other musicians, at all.
Actually I don't even think it should impress somebody. What I think it's that any kind of music should be played properly.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Whatever you do with your work after that, it's your business but AT LEAST it should be a competent work played decently.[/QUOTE]
You have chosen to value "competence" over all other aspects of the overall musical picture. And it depends on what you think "decent" is. You label the music you like as "decent" purely from a technical standpoint. Most people don't.[/QUOTE]
Again, I don't care about what most people think.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]People that get submerged into something THAT sloppy it's because they can't notice the sloppiness.[/QUOTE]
Who cares... why should they? Why should it matter to them? Page wasn't playing for musicians. He was playing for whoever wanted to listen.[/QUOTE]
And that's not my problem. What bothers me is people saying he was a good player when he wasn't.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's not that they don't care, how could you "not care" if you actually noticed it?[/QUOTE]
Easily. I choose not to see the technical side as the most important side. So what if he hits an open string or a wrong note? The overall picture being presented is what counts, not just the guitar solo in the middle of the song. I don't limit my music listening to musicians who challenge me to get better. I'm not a musician 24/7. I'm a fan of music too. And music that isn't technical is just valid as music that is. Sometimes I want to hear the Dixie Dregs or Joe Pass, but sometimes I want to put on Rubber Soul or London Calling.
You're far too busy analzying every little note of every song you hear to the point that you miss what most artists are trying to say overall. You choose to eliminate most artists' credibility and passion because they're not at your level of technical understanding and ability. Most musicians aren't like that, though. Does that make you better than all of them?
You know what? Let's all listen to Shawn Lane and boycott everyone who is below him. Vai's skills are novice compared to Lane's.[/QUOTE]
You're still not getting that I don't care about the difficulty level of anything. I care abo
So what if he plays sloppy sometimes? Most of his audience aren't guitarists, so what do they care?[/QUOTE]
They don't have to care, actually. It's about talking about something they don't understand.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And it is certainly not about maximizing the number of people that can get submerged into it.[/QUOTE]
Then it's a difference of opinion. I think music should be applicable to and enjoyed by as many people as possible (while not sacrificing your integrity), while you think music should impress other musicians.
Let's consider Stevie Wonder's 72-76 material for a moment. Those few records have sold more copies than every record by every virtuoso guitarist combined, and he is just as good a musician as they are. What makes Steve Vai and Eric Johnson better than him?[/QUOTE]
First of all, I don't think music should impress other musicians, at all.
Actually I don't even think it should impress somebody. What I think it's that any kind of music should be played properly.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Whatever you do with your work after that, it's your business but AT LEAST it should be a competent work played decently.[/QUOTE]
You have chosen to value "competence" over all other aspects of the overall musical picture. And it depends on what you think "decent" is. You label the music you like as "decent" purely from a technical standpoint. Most people don't.[/QUOTE]
Again, I don't care about what most people think.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]People that get submerged into something THAT sloppy it's because they can't notice the sloppiness.[/QUOTE]
Who cares... why should they? Why should it matter to them? Page wasn't playing for musicians. He was playing for whoever wanted to listen.[/QUOTE]
And that's not my problem. What bothers me is people saying he was a good player when he wasn't.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's not that they don't care, how could you "not care" if you actually noticed it?[/QUOTE]
Easily. I choose not to see the technical side as the most important side. So what if he hits an open string or a wrong note? The overall picture being presented is what counts, not just the guitar solo in the middle of the song. I don't limit my music listening to musicians who challenge me to get better. I'm not a musician 24/7. I'm a fan of music too. And music that isn't technical is just valid as music that is. Sometimes I want to hear the Dixie Dregs or Joe Pass, but sometimes I want to put on Rubber Soul or London Calling.
You're far too busy analzying every little note of every song you hear to the point that you miss what most artists are trying to say overall. You choose to eliminate most artists' credibility and passion because they're not at your level of technical understanding and ability. Most musicians aren't like that, though. Does that make you better than all of them?
You know what? Let's all listen to Shawn Lane and boycott everyone who is below him. Vai's skills are novice compared to Lane's.[/QUOTE]
You're still not getting that I don't care about the difficulty level of anything. I care abo
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Then, you're just saying that success doesn't mean a thing. It just means that people liked it.[/QUOTE]
People liking your music isn't success? What do you define "success" as?[/QUOTE]
I think you got me wrong. I said that success doesn't mean you're good.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]People often choose a solo played wrong like Stairway To Heaven over something amazingly played like Bo Rhap. People know shit about music. If they knew, we wouldn't be studying. What for? You study to learn, because you don't know. Most people know shit about music and don't understand anything at all.[/QUOTE]
And what's wrong with that? Think about this for a moment: you're not a carpenter, chef, or a travel agent. How would you like it if a carpenter came to your house and said it looked like crap because it didn't have certain embellishments that only a professional carpenter could create or appreciate? How would you like it if a chef told you your taste in food was inferior to his, because you don't like the obscure food he likes, and aren't able to differentiate between a hundred different spices? And how would you like it if a travel agent said you hadn't lived your life fully unless you had travelled to 50 different countries in your lifetime?[/QUOTE]
I would have to accept that. You see, this is not something where the one that knows about what he's fucking talking about is an arrogant asshole, which I am but that's not the point.
It's like this...
Some guy: MY HOUSE'S DA BEZT HOUSE EVA
Carpenter: No.
Some guy: SHYEAH, IT'S BETTER THAN YOURS.
Carpenter: No, actually it has quite a lot of architectural mistakes.
Some guy: *explodes*
If that guy had said I LIKE MY HOUSE, IT MAKES ME FEEL COMFORTABLE, that would have been cool. He said it was the best, talking about things he didn't understand and the carpenter proved him wrong.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If you really care about music you're not gonna put a technical limit to it. You will find amazing things that are not so technical and you will find incredible technical stuff too.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and you will find incredible stuff that isn't technical at all. You are the one putting the technical limit on music here. You have set a minimum. Nobody here has set a maximum.[/QUOTE]
My minimum just says "NO MISTAKES, PLEASE." Do you think I'm asking too much?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Whatever average people like or not, I don't give a fuck. It's me who's learning, practicing and studying. Not them. I trust my own point of view.[/QUOTE]
Good. Now start respecting theirs. I have no problem with your musical views, as they are what work for you. But just stop being dogmatic about it, insisting that your way of viewing music is the only correct way.[/QUOTE]
You may be right on this one.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]http://rapidshare.de/files/38484981/Prelude_2_.mp3.html
[/QUOTE]
Very nice, interesting, and accessible piece of music. So, if you change your attitude towards musicians and common fans of music who think differently than you, then you've got a good future ahead of you. But if you walk into any gig, session, or even casual converation with your current attitude, then few people could care less of what your music sounds like. You're young, talented, and hopefully open to evolving as
People liking your music isn't success? What do you define "success" as?[/QUOTE]
I think you got me wrong. I said that success doesn't mean you're good.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]People often choose a solo played wrong like Stairway To Heaven over something amazingly played like Bo Rhap. People know shit about music. If they knew, we wouldn't be studying. What for? You study to learn, because you don't know. Most people know shit about music and don't understand anything at all.[/QUOTE]
And what's wrong with that? Think about this for a moment: you're not a carpenter, chef, or a travel agent. How would you like it if a carpenter came to your house and said it looked like crap because it didn't have certain embellishments that only a professional carpenter could create or appreciate? How would you like it if a chef told you your taste in food was inferior to his, because you don't like the obscure food he likes, and aren't able to differentiate between a hundred different spices? And how would you like it if a travel agent said you hadn't lived your life fully unless you had travelled to 50 different countries in your lifetime?[/QUOTE]
I would have to accept that. You see, this is not something where the one that knows about what he's fucking talking about is an arrogant asshole, which I am but that's not the point.
It's like this...
Some guy: MY HOUSE'S DA BEZT HOUSE EVA
Carpenter: No.
Some guy: SHYEAH, IT'S BETTER THAN YOURS.
Carpenter: No, actually it has quite a lot of architectural mistakes.
Some guy: *explodes*
If that guy had said I LIKE MY HOUSE, IT MAKES ME FEEL COMFORTABLE, that would have been cool. He said it was the best, talking about things he didn't understand and the carpenter proved him wrong.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If you really care about music you're not gonna put a technical limit to it. You will find amazing things that are not so technical and you will find incredible technical stuff too.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and you will find incredible stuff that isn't technical at all. You are the one putting the technical limit on music here. You have set a minimum. Nobody here has set a maximum.[/QUOTE]
My minimum just says "NO MISTAKES, PLEASE." Do you think I'm asking too much?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Whatever average people like or not, I don't give a fuck. It's me who's learning, practicing and studying. Not them. I trust my own point of view.[/QUOTE]
Good. Now start respecting theirs. I have no problem with your musical views, as they are what work for you. But just stop being dogmatic about it, insisting that your way of viewing music is the only correct way.[/QUOTE]
You may be right on this one.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]http://rapidshare.de/files/38484981/Prelude_2_.mp3.html
[/QUOTE]
Very nice, interesting, and accessible piece of music. So, if you change your attitude towards musicians and common fans of music who think differently than you, then you've got a good future ahead of you. But if you walk into any gig, session, or even casual converation with your current attitude, then few people could care less of what your music sounds like. You're young, talented, and hopefully open to evolving as
And in the midst of all of this pointless arguing...
StSanders's account was suspended on Youtube. I really hope those videos show up again somewhere else.
StSanders's account was suspended on Youtube. I really hope those videos show up again somewhere else.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=gold>SMI<font color=1>TTY wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And in the midst of all of this pointless arguing...
StSanders's account was suspended on Youtube. I really hope those videos show up again somewhere else.[/QUOTE]
Who was that??
StSanders's account was suspended on Youtube. I really hope those videos show up again somewhere else.[/QUOTE]
Who was that??
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]http://i29.tinypic.com/2z9a35e.jpg[/QUOTE]
Please... give a guy a warning! I'm scarred for life!
Please... give a guy a warning! I'm scarred for life!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: [/QUOTENAME]This one guy spending hours, days and weeks of practice... so he can play (i.e) the solo from Killer Queen perfectly, and he does. This other guy comes in and plays the same solo but with lots and lots of mistakes.
Do you think it's fair to say one isn't better than the other? Are they equally good?[/QUOTE]
Again, it's not quite that simple. Music isn't so black and white. The clenliness of the notes themselves is only part of the overall picture. How about the expressiveness? The tone? If one of the guys is sterile in his delivery and has terrible tone, then I probably wouldn't listen to more than 5 seconds of it, no matter how "properly" he plays it.
Besides, these two guys would just be recreating something that has already been done before. I'd much rather hear original compositions from them to get a clearer picture of who they are as musicians. I couldn't care less which one of the two is technically the better guitarist. If the "worse" one writes better songs, then I'll vote for him. Discussing who is the better guitarist makes music a contest, which it isn't.
[QUOTE]If that guy had said I LIKE MY HOUSE, IT MAKES ME FEEL COMFORTABLE, that would have been cool. He said it was the best, talking about things he didn't understand and the carpenter proved him wrong.[/QUOTE]
No, he's not "wrong" for not being an expert. Nobody can be an expert in everything, otherwise everyone would be 99.99% "wrong" about everything, by your standards of right and wrong. Being comfortable doesn't mean you're somehow wrong for having a point of view that works for you.
[QUOTE][QUOTE][QUOTE]If you really care about music you're not gonna put a technical limit to it. You will find amazing things that are not so technical and you will find incredible technical stuff too.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and you will find incredible stuff that isn't technical at all. You are the one putting the technical limit on music here. You have set a minimum. Nobody here has set a maximum.[/QUOTE]
My minimum just says "NO MISTAKES, PLEASE." Do you think I'm asking too much?[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. For the last time, there is more to music than whether or not it's played "correctly". I hope you find it one day.
[QUOTE]You liked it? I'm very pleased about that.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it's a beautiful piece of music, and I liked it very much. But can you accept that I liked it as much as I like Yellow Submarine and Highway To Hell?
[QUOTE]As Beethoven said "I have never thought of writing for renown and glory. What I have in my heart must out; that is why I write."[/QUOTE]
A great philosophy indeed.
Cheers.
Do you think it's fair to say one isn't better than the other? Are they equally good?[/QUOTE]
Again, it's not quite that simple. Music isn't so black and white. The clenliness of the notes themselves is only part of the overall picture. How about the expressiveness? The tone? If one of the guys is sterile in his delivery and has terrible tone, then I probably wouldn't listen to more than 5 seconds of it, no matter how "properly" he plays it.
Besides, these two guys would just be recreating something that has already been done before. I'd much rather hear original compositions from them to get a clearer picture of who they are as musicians. I couldn't care less which one of the two is technically the better guitarist. If the "worse" one writes better songs, then I'll vote for him. Discussing who is the better guitarist makes music a contest, which it isn't.
[QUOTE]If that guy had said I LIKE MY HOUSE, IT MAKES ME FEEL COMFORTABLE, that would have been cool. He said it was the best, talking about things he didn't understand and the carpenter proved him wrong.[/QUOTE]
No, he's not "wrong" for not being an expert. Nobody can be an expert in everything, otherwise everyone would be 99.99% "wrong" about everything, by your standards of right and wrong. Being comfortable doesn't mean you're somehow wrong for having a point of view that works for you.
[QUOTE][QUOTE][QUOTE]If you really care about music you're not gonna put a technical limit to it. You will find amazing things that are not so technical and you will find incredible technical stuff too.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and you will find incredible stuff that isn't technical at all. You are the one putting the technical limit on music here. You have set a minimum. Nobody here has set a maximum.[/QUOTE]
My minimum just says "NO MISTAKES, PLEASE." Do you think I'm asking too much?[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. For the last time, there is more to music than whether or not it's played "correctly". I hope you find it one day.
[QUOTE]You liked it? I'm very pleased about that.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it's a beautiful piece of music, and I liked it very much. But can you accept that I liked it as much as I like Yellow Submarine and Highway To Hell?
[QUOTE]As Beethoven said "I have never thought of writing for renown and glory. What I have in my heart must out; that is why I write."[/QUOTE]
A great philosophy indeed.
Cheers.
We all have different standards of what is a 'mistake' in music.
This is why EZDrummer and countless other programs carry a "Humanise" function - to make the notes slightly irregular as opposed to dead on. In that instance, it's deliberately making the drums subtly 'worse' so that they sound 'better'.
Now that could fuck with my head!!
I guess that's more a question of expression and 'feel', than getting wrong musical tones, which is what was being discussed here, so pardon me for bringing that up.
This is why EZDrummer and countless other programs carry a "Humanise" function - to make the notes slightly irregular as opposed to dead on. In that instance, it's deliberately making the drums subtly 'worse' so that they sound 'better'.
Now that could fuck with my head!!
I guess that's more a question of expression and 'feel', than getting wrong musical tones, which is what was being discussed here, so pardon me for bringing that up.
I like EZDrummer... nice program for some quick drums.
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