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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]

No you idiot! i study at university! they give us books, you read it, you memorize it, you throw it up on the exam paper and thats that. you do the same! nothing comes from YOU, its all from them.[/QUOTE]

Bullshit.
I can't think of many courses in any institution I've been to where you simply spit out what you've been fed by the textbooks or by your lecturer.

I dunno what university you're going to, but I bet the ceiling leaks and the principal carries a broom.[/QUOTE]

Oh really, tell me then what YOU yourself do that doesnt come from the information they provide you
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Why do you go to university then? Doesn't that make you a sell out sheep clone idiot like the rest of us?[/QUOTE]

I do it with the understanding that you arent smart if you have a university education. Of course its good to have an education, all im saying is that its just programming and just because you have a high education doesnt mean you are smart.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Why do you go to university then? Doesn't that make you a sell out sheep clone idiot like the rest of us?[/QUOTE]

I do it with the understanding that you arent smart if you have a university education. Of course its good to have an education, all im saying is that its just programming and just because you have a high education doesnt mean you are smart.[/QUOTE]

"of course it's good to have an education"? You total clown. You can't even maintain the internal logic of your argument from one moment to the next.
"Queen is the only band in the world that can play so heavily that your nose bleeds, then offer a silk handkerchief to clean up with."
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Why do you go to university then? Doesn't that make you a sell out sheep clone idiot like the rest of us?[/QUOTE]

I do it with the understanding that you arent smart if you have a university education. Of course its good to have an education, all im saying is that its just programming and just because you have a high education doesnt mean you are smart.[/QUOTE]

"of course it's good to have an education"? You total clown. You can't even maintain the internal logic of your argument from one moment to the next. [/QUOTE]

no you stupid idiot, to survive in this programmed society i have to get an education, doesnt mean i dont know that its bullshit and all that it is that programming. The point was that it doesnt make you SMARTER! get it?
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Why do you go to university then? Doesn't that make you a sell out sheep clone idiot like the rest of us?[/QUOTE]

I do it with the understanding that you arent smart if you have a university education. Of course its good to have an education, all im saying is that its just programming and just because you have a high education doesnt mean you are smart.[/QUOTE]

"of course it's good to have an education"? You total clown. You can't even maintain the internal logic of your argument from one moment to the next. [/QUOTE]

Thank you Holly!! I've been trying to tell him that as long as he's been here. I even took the time to post him common logical fallacies, which he clearly hasn't remembered.

So you, TM, think that you are so much better than us because you don't just swallow what you are given at university? Right. As Zebonka pointed out, your university must be downright shite if that's what you are getting out of it. Must be awful nice to be so self-centered that you think you are smarter and better than anyone else walking the planet today. We all bow down to your intelligence, oh great deliverer. Please, save us all from sheepdom.
Formerly MHG
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]MasterHistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Why do you go to university then? Doesn't that make you a sell out sheep clone idiot like the rest of us?[/QUOTE]

I do it with the understanding that you arent smart if you have a university education. Of course its good to have an education, all im saying is that its just programming and just because you have a high education doesnt mean you are smart.[/QUOTE]

"of course it's good to have an education"? You total clown. You can't even maintain the internal logic of your argument from one moment to the next. [/QUOTE]

Thank you Holly!! I've been trying to tell him that as long as he's been here. I even took the time to post him common logical fallacies, which he clearly hasn't remembered.

So you, TM, think that you are so much better than us because you don't just swallow what you are given at university? Right. As Zebonka pointed out, your university must be downright shite if that's what you are getting out of it. Must be awful nice to be so self-centered that you think you are smarter and better than anyone else walking the planet today. We all bow down to your intelligence, oh great deliverer. Please, save us all from sheepdom. [/QUOTE]

tell me what YOU have done that isnt given to you at university? explain what you have done that isnt given to you.
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Only because I'm bored enough that I feel like humoring you....

I will focus on one example only. My 2nd Masters Thesis.
1. I got to pick the topic I wanted to study (in this case, theoretical developments of logic vs. spirituality in Medieval and Early Modern Europe and their impacts on the development of Politics in the Valois Dynasty in France). Topic of my own chosing. I wanted to know how and why a country as devoutly Catholic as France had been is today one of the only countries on the planet with the statement that they are a SECULAR nation written into their constitution.
2. Next, I picked the professor I wanted to work with, who was the French history specialist dealing with history later than what I was covering; she could not help me out at all because she has never studied the topic I chose (her specialty is Enlightenment Political Theory), but she was interested in the topic and since her and I are close we decided she'd supervise the writing of my thesis so that she could learn from what I had done and take it in another direction in her own research if she wished to.
3. From my own past knowledge of intellectual history of the time and ecclesiastical reactions to it, I picked the starting point of Peter Alebard.
4. As I conducted my research, using books of MY OWN CHOOSING, no one assigned them to me, I picked a series of writers on both sides of the ecclesiastical divide, from the "heretics" like Abelard to the church supported authors like Thomas Aquinas to the split of the Church with examples like Martin Luther to the seeds of skepticism with Michele de Montaigne. Again, no one assigned these people (and others I covered, this is a VERY short list of the people I talked about); I PICKED THEM MYSELF. And when I picked them, I always read at least 3 books on them all, so that I could get a 3 dimensional view (typically one book praising the author, one book vilifying the author and one book which placed them within their historical context and was as neutral as possible), in addition to reading original works by the authors themselves.
5. I chose research works on the rise and subsequent fall of the Valois dynasty, again from my own searching. (Remember, my professor specialized in the Enlightenment, and this is close to 300 years before what she has studied herself) I read personal biographies on the key characters, works of their own creation, and political/religious histories of the time period (normally totaling 3 biographies for the key figures, 1 work of their own creation for each key figure and at least 10 books on the political/religious developments of the time; this includes 4 different views of the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre)
6. I synthesized all of the information I had researched. I decided what fit and what didn't fit to me. If I couldn't fit it in after some subsequent questioning and checking, I still used it in the paper as a call for further treatment.
7. Once I had traced the thesis of the paper through all of this information in a way that made sense to me, I wrote the paper. It was accepted as a successful Masters Thesis and I was thereby awarded my Masters Degree.

Again, I'd like to point out I did this all INDEPENDENTLY! The prof who was "supervising" me didn't even read it until it was finished and I had submitted it for consideration for acceptance. We did not even meet weekly to discuss the paper, like we were supposed to because we were both too busy and she trusted I'd get the work done. After it had been accepted, she and I met and discussed what I'd discovered in the paper. She made some tie-ins for future research going into her time period, and gave me some practical pointers if I wished to present the paper at a conference.

I look forward to you trying to figure out how I was "lead" or "sheeped" through this one. I look forward to it because I look forward to "Enlightening" you.
Formerly MHG
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
The point was that it doesnt make you SMARTER! get it?[/QUOTE]

I think you've made that more than clear...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]MasterHistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Only because I'm bored enough that I feel like humoring you....

I will focus on one example only. My 2nd Masters Thesis.
1. I got to pick the topic I wanted to study (in this case, theoretical developments of logic vs. spirituality in Medieval and Early Modern Europe and their impacts on the development of Politics in the Valois Dynasty in France). Topic of my own chosing. I wanted to know how and why a country as devoutly Catholic as France had been is today one of the only countries on the planet with the statement that they are a SECULAR nation written into their constitution.
2. Next, I picked the professor I wanted to work with, who was the French history specialist dealing with history later than what I was covering; she could not help me out at all because she has never studied the topic I chose (her specialty is Enlightenment Political Theory), but she was interested in the topic and since her and I are close we decided she'd supervise the writing of my thesis so that she could learn from what I had done and take it in another direction in her own research if she wished to.
3. From my own past knowledge of intellectual history of the time and ecclesiastical reactions to it, I picked the starting point of Peter Alebard.
4. As I conducted my research, using books of MY OWN CHOOSING, no one assigned them to me, I picked a series of writers on both sides of the ecclesiastical divide, from the "heretics" like Abelard to the church supported authors like Thomas Aquinas to the split of the Church with examples like Martin Luther to the seeds of skepticism with Michele de Montaigne. Again, no one assigned these people (and others I covered, this is a VERY short list of the people I talked about); I PICKED THEM MYSELF. And when I picked them, I always read at least 3 books on them all, so that I could get a 3 dimensional view (typically one book praising the author, one book vilifying the author and one book which placed them within their historical context and was as neutral as possible), in addition to reading original works by the authors themselves.
5. I chose research works on the rise and subsequent fall of the Valois dynasty, again from my own searching. (Remember, my professor specialized in the Enlightenment, and this is close to 300 years before what she has studied herself) I read personal biographies on the key characters, works of their own creation, and political/religious histories of the time period (normally totaling 3 biographies for the key figures, 1 work of their own creation for each key figure and at least 10 books on the political/religious developments of the time; this includes 4 different views of the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre)
6. I synthesized all of the information I had researched. I decided what fit and what didn't fit to me. If I couldn't fit it in after some subsequent questioning and checking, I still used it in the paper as a call for further treatment.
7. Once I had traced the thesis of the paper through all of this information in a way that made sense to me, I wrote the paper. It was accepted as a successful Masters Thesis and I was thereby awarded my Masters Degree.

Again, I'd like to point out I did this all INDEPENDENTLY! The prof who was "supervising" me didn't even read it until it was finished and I had submitted it for consideration for acceptance. We did not even meet weekly to discuss the paper, like we were supposed to because we were both too busy and she trusted I'd get the work done. After it had been accepted, she and I met and discussed what I'd discovered in the paper. She made some tie-ins for future research going into her time period, and gave me some practical pointers if I wished to present the paper at a conference.

I look forward to you trying to figure out how I was "lead" or "sheeped" through this one. I look forward to it because I look forward to "Enlightening" you. [/QUOTE]

Ok the thing you are talking about is a PROJECT you had to do and there you are given certain freedom to choose books etc but what about the rest of the time at university? they didnt have a program for you to follow? they all have it. You have to follow their programming, study it, throw it up on the exam paper.

As i said its all programming and there are people who havent gone to high school that are 10 times more intelligent than someone with high university education. I dont see someone who is able to be programmed well as being intelligent, all they show is that they can hold information well.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Ok the thing you are talking about is a PROJECT you had to do and there you are given certain freedom to choose books etc but what about the rest of the time at university? they didnt have a program for you to follow? they all have it. You have to follow their programming, study it, throw it up on the exam paper.

As i said its all programming and there are people who havent gone to high school that are 10 times more intelligent than someone with high university education. I dont see someone who is able to be programmed well as being intelligent, all they show is that they can hold information well.[/QUOTE]

So yet more evidence that you are wrong and yet you still persist with the same old crap. Still, despite the fact that universities serve no purpose, that all they do is program students with useless info., and all they produce at the end is idiots and sheep, YOU CLAIM THAT YOU ARE ENROLLED IN A UNIVERSITY COURSE! Which makes you at the very least a total hypocrite.
"Queen is the only band in the world that can play so heavily that your nose bleeds, then offer a silk handkerchief to clean up with."
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Ok the thing you are talking about is a PROJECT you had to do and there you are given certain freedom to choose books etc but what about the rest of the time at university? they didnt have a program for you to follow? they all have it. You have to follow their programming, study it, throw it up on the exam paper.

As i said its all programming and there are people who havent gone to high school that are 10 times more intelligent than someone with high university education. I dont see someone who is able to be programmed well as being intelligent, all they show is that they can hold information well.[/QUOTE]

So yet more evidence that you are wrong and yet you still persist with the same old crap. Still, despite the fact that universities serve no purpose, that all they do is program students with useless info., and all they produce at the end is idiots and sheep, YOU CLAIM THAT YOU ARE ENROLLED IN A UNIVERSITY COURSE! Which makes you at the very least a total hypocrite.[/QUOTE]

Look, there is a system installed and in order to survive you have to follow it. You are still missing the point, the point isnt that the education is useless, its that university education doenst make you SMARTER!

There are ALOT of braindead sheep who just go to university, restore the info, throw it up on the exam paper and get their degrees but they are still mindless IDIOTS! get my point?
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Ok the thing you are talking about is a PROJECT you had to do and there you are given certain freedom to choose books etc but what about the rest of the time at university? they didnt have a program for you to follow? they all have it. You have to follow their programming, study it, throw it up on the exam paper.

As i said its all programming and there are people who havent gone to high school that are 10 times more intelligent than someone with high university education. I dont see someone who is able to be programmed well as being intelligent, all they show is that they can hold information well.[/QUOTE]

So yet more evidence that you are wrong and yet you still persist with the same old crap. Still, despite the fact that universities serve no purpose, that all they do is program students with useless info., and all they produce at the end is idiots and sheep, YOU CLAIM THAT YOU ARE ENROLLED IN A UNIVERSITY COURSE! Which makes you at the very least a total hypocrite.[/QUOTE]

Look, there is a system installed and in order to survive you have to follow it. You are still missing the point, the point isnt that the education is useless, its that university education doenst make you SMARTER!

There are ALOT of braindead sheep who just go to university, restore the info, throw it up on the exam paper and get their degrees but they are still mindless IDIOTS! get my point?[/QUOTE]

No that's not your point. It may be now, after you've had your ass handed to you, but the whole time you have been posting your dullard thoughts on QZ you have stated that anyone who disagrees with you is a sheep, that everyone is programmed (except you), and that universities -- ALL UNIVERSITIES -- program students with rote learning and that ALL STUDENTS are idiotic sheep. Now that you have to face up to the fact that you are wrong, you have slightly realligned your argument (without admitting you are wrong of course, your hugely misinflated ego wouldn't allow that). The game's up TM: you've been caught with your trousers down and it's not a pretty sight.
"Queen is the only band in the world that can play so heavily that your nose bleeds, then offer a silk handkerchief to clean up with."
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Ok the thing you are talking about is a PROJECT you had to do and there you are given certain freedom to choose books etc but what about the rest of the time at university? they didnt have a program for you to follow? they all have it. You have to follow their programming, study it, throw it up on the exam paper.

As i said its all programming and there are people who havent gone to high school that are 10 times more intelligent than someone with high university education. I dont see someone who is able to be programmed well as being intelligent, all they show is that they can hold information well.[/QUOTE]

So yet more evidence that you are wrong and yet you still persist with the same old crap. Still, despite the fact that universities serve no purpose, that all they do is program students with useless info., and all they produce at the end is idiots and sheep, YOU CLAIM THAT YOU ARE ENROLLED IN A UNIVERSITY COURSE! Which makes you at the very least a total hypocrite.[/QUOTE]

Look, there is a system installed and in order to survive you have to follow it. You are still missing the point, the point isnt that the education is useless, its that university education doenst make you SMARTER!

There are ALOT of braindead sheep who just go to university, restore the info, throw it up on the exam paper and get their degrees but they are still mindless IDIOTS! get my point?[/QUOTE]

No that's not your point. It may be now, after you've had your ass handed to you, but the whole time you have been posting your dullard thoughts on QZ you have stated that anyone who disagrees with you is a sheep, that everyone is programmed (except you), and that universities -- ALL UNIVERSITIES -- program students with rote learning and that ALL STUDENTS are idiotic sheep. Now that you have to face up to the fact that you are wrong, you have slightly realligned your argument (without admitting you are wrong of course, your hugely misinflated ego wouldn't allow that). The game's up TM: you've been caught with your trousers down and it's not a pretty sight.[/QUOTE]

what are you talking about? why dont you go to page 2 and read my reply there:

"Im just saying that people who go to university think they are smart BUT they arent AT ALL. Its all programming, like transfering a file from a cd to the harddrive, they themselves havent done shit! its all being downloaded like a file so a person with high education still can be totally dumb.

thats what ive said all the time.
"
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Ok the thing you are talking about is a PROJECT you had to do and there you are given certain freedom to choose books etc but what about the rest of the time at university? they didnt have a program for you to follow? they all have it. You have to follow their programming, study it, throw it up on the exam paper.

As i said its all programming and there are people who havent gone to high school that are 10 times more intelligent than someone with high university education. I dont see someone who is able to be programmed well as being intelligent, all they show is that they can hold information well.[/QUOTE]

So yet more evidence that you are wrong and yet you still persist with the same old crap. Still, despite the fact that universities serve no purpose, that all they do is program students with useless info., and all they produce at the end is idiots and sheep, YOU CLAIM THAT YOU ARE ENROLLED IN A UNIVERSITY COURSE! Which makes you at the very least a total hypocrite.[/QUOTE]

Look, there is a system installed and in order to survive you have to follow it. You are still missing the point, the point isnt that the education is useless, its that university education doenst make you SMARTER!

There are ALOT of braindead sheep who just go to university, restore the info, throw it up on the exam paper and get their degrees but they are still mindless IDIOTS! get my point?[/QUOTE]

No that's not your point. It may be now, after you've had your ass handed to you, but the whole time you have been posting your dullard thoughts on QZ you have stated that anyone who disagrees with you is a sheep, that everyone is programmed (except you), and that universities -- ALL UNIVERSITIES -- program students with rote learning and that ALL STUDENTS are idiotic sheep. Now that you have to face up to the fact that you are wrong, you have slightly realligned your argument (without admitting you are wrong of course, your hugely misinflated ego wouldn't allow that). The game's up TM: you've been caught with your trousers down and it's not a pretty sight.[/QUOTE]

what are you talking about? why dont you go to page 2 and read my reply there:

"Im just saying that people who go to university think they are smart BUT they arent AT ALL. Its all programming, like transfering a file from a cd to the harddrive, they themselves havent done shit! its all being downloaded like a file so a person with high education still can be totally dumb.

thats what ive said all the time.
"[/QUOTE]

Is page 2 as far back as your memory goes then?
"Queen is the only band in the world that can play so heavily that your nose bleeds, then offer a silk handkerchief to clean up with."
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Ok the thing you are talking about is a PROJECT you had to do and there you are given certain freedom to choose books etc but what about the rest of the time at university? they didnt have a program for you to follow? they all have it. You have to follow their programming, study it, throw it up on the exam paper.

As i said its all programming and there are people who havent gone to high school that are 10 times more intelligent than someone with high university education. I dont see someone who is able to be programmed well as being intelligent, all they show is that they can hold information well.[/QUOTE]

So yet more evidence that you are wrong and yet you still persist with the same old crap. Still, despite the fact that universities serve no purpose, that all they do is program students with useless info., and all they produce at the end is idiots and sheep, YOU CLAIM THAT YOU ARE ENROLLED IN A UNIVERSITY COURSE! Which makes you at the very least a total hypocrite.[/QUOTE]

Look, there is a system installed and in order to survive you have to follow it. You are still missing the point, the point isnt that the education is useless, its that university education doenst make you SMARTER!

There are ALOT of braindead sheep who just go to university, restore the info, throw it up on the exam paper and get their degrees but they are still mindless IDIOTS! get my point?[/QUOTE]

No that's not your point. It may be now, after you've had your ass handed to you, but the whole time you have been posting your dullard thoughts on QZ you have stated that anyone who disagrees with you is a sheep, that everyone is programmed (except you), and that universities -- ALL UNIVERSITIES -- program students with rote learning and that ALL STUDENTS are idiotic sheep. Now that you have to face up to the fact that you are wrong, you have slightly realligned your argument (without admitting you are wrong of course, your hugely misinflated ego wouldn't allow that). The game's up TM: you've been caught with your trousers down and it's not a pretty sight.[/QUOTE]

what are you talking about? why dont you go to page 2 and read my reply there:

"Im just saying that people who go to university think they are smart BUT they arent AT ALL. Its all programming, like transfering a file from a cd to the harddrive, they themselves havent done shit! its all being downloaded like a file so a person with high education still can be totally dumb.

thats what ive said all the time.
"[/QUOTE]

Is page 2 as far back as your memory goes then?[/QUOTE]

You dont know what to say as you cant say anything the FACT that university is just PROGRAMMING and that it doesnt make anyone SMARTER, it just loads you with programmed information!

A guy who has never studied in his life can be 100 times smarter than a university professor.
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