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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]
The only reason I lean slightly towards saying 'fuck Israel' before saying 'fuck Hamas' is that Israel is the bigger one, and you can't say shit against them without hearing some maggot cry 'anti-Semitism'.
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......or being labelled a Nazi ^_^
What would be a response then to someone who says "Fuck Political Correctness"?
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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]
No really, fuck Israel. I feel sorry for those one or two awesome people that I've met who have come from there. They deserve to have a homeland that they can be proud of.
As for Hamas, nothing but a bunch of rocket flinging monkeys. They won't be happy until they take the rest of the region with them. If there were a way to wipe them off the map, I'd be all for it, but there isn't. You'll just see more US-style misfires and collateral damage on the part of Israel.
The only reason I lean slightly towards saying 'fuck Israel' before saying 'fuck Hamas' is that Israel is the bigger one, and you can't say shit against them without hearing some maggot cry 'anti-Semitism'.
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Spot on. Both sides are ruled by violent criminals (and Fatah is no good either), yet one is only allowed to say that of one side in the conflict: the one we (the West) are not in a formal alliance with. Of course they should be allowed to protect themselves, but I'd say there's still a difference between protecting yourself and using [url=http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/12/white.phosphorus/index.html]white phosphorus[/url] on densely populated areas, which has been outlawed ages ago.
[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]
No really, fuck Israel. I feel sorry for those one or two awesome people that I've met who have come from there. They deserve to have a homeland that they can be proud of.
As for Hamas, nothing but a bunch of rocket flinging monkeys. They won't be happy until they take the rest of the region with them. If there were a way to wipe them off the map, I'd be all for it, but there isn't. You'll just see more US-style misfires and collateral damage on the part of Israel.
The only reason I lean slightly towards saying 'fuck Israel' before saying 'fuck Hamas' is that Israel is the bigger one, and you can't say shit against them without hearing some maggot cry 'anti-Semitism'.
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Spot on. Both sides are ruled by violent criminals (and Fatah is no good either), yet one is only allowed to say that of one side in the conflict: the one we (the West) are not in a formal alliance with. Of course they should be allowed to protect themselves, but I'd say there's still a difference between protecting yourself and using [url=http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/12/white.phosphorus/index.html]white phosphorus[/url] on densely populated areas, which has been outlawed ages ago.
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[b]ThomasQuinn wrote: [/b]
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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]
No really, fuck Israel. I feel sorry for those one or two awesome people that I've met who have come from there. They deserve to have a homeland that they can be proud of.
As for Hamas, nothing but a bunch of rocket flinging monkeys. They won't be happy until they take the rest of the region with them. If there were a way to wipe them off the map, I'd be all for it, but there isn't. You'll just see more US-style misfires and collateral damage on the part of Israel.
The only reason I lean slightly towards saying 'fuck Israel' before saying 'fuck Hamas' is that Israel is the bigger one, and you can't say shit against them without hearing some maggot cry 'anti-Semitism'.
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Spot on. Both sides are ruled by violent criminals (and Fatah is no good either), yet one is only allowed to say that of one side in the conflict: the one we (the West) are not in a formal alliance with. Of course they should be allowed to protect themselves, but I'd say there's still a difference between protecting yourself and using [url=http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/12/white.phosphorus/index.html]white phosphorus[/url] on densely populated areas, which has been outlawed ages ago.
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They're not only using phosphorus... I've seen them shooting an European UN medic who tried to help a wounded person. Just to point out why they don't want any journalists out there.
What Israel does right now doesn't solve anything and they know that. In fact, they create even more hate under the people that till today didn't support Hamas. What would you do if they block all your ways to live a life and eventually kill your family for no reason?
This "war" makes the problem only worse. And the past has shown us that these people aren't gonna solve the problem. Maybe we need a referee?
[b]ThomasQuinn wrote: [/b]
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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]
No really, fuck Israel. I feel sorry for those one or two awesome people that I've met who have come from there. They deserve to have a homeland that they can be proud of.
As for Hamas, nothing but a bunch of rocket flinging monkeys. They won't be happy until they take the rest of the region with them. If there were a way to wipe them off the map, I'd be all for it, but there isn't. You'll just see more US-style misfires and collateral damage on the part of Israel.
The only reason I lean slightly towards saying 'fuck Israel' before saying 'fuck Hamas' is that Israel is the bigger one, and you can't say shit against them without hearing some maggot cry 'anti-Semitism'.
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Spot on. Both sides are ruled by violent criminals (and Fatah is no good either), yet one is only allowed to say that of one side in the conflict: the one we (the West) are not in a formal alliance with. Of course they should be allowed to protect themselves, but I'd say there's still a difference between protecting yourself and using [url=http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/12/white.phosphorus/index.html]white phosphorus[/url] on densely populated areas, which has been outlawed ages ago.
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They're not only using phosphorus... I've seen them shooting an European UN medic who tried to help a wounded person. Just to point out why they don't want any journalists out there.
What Israel does right now doesn't solve anything and they know that. In fact, they create even more hate under the people that till today didn't support Hamas. What would you do if they block all your ways to live a life and eventually kill your family for no reason?
This "war" makes the problem only worse. And the past has shown us that these people aren't gonna solve the problem. Maybe we need a referee?
[url=http://http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/14/binladen.message/index.html]Bin Laden message: Stop 'aggression' against Gaza [/url]
Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has apparently released a new audio message calling for a jihad, or holy war, against Israel for its Gaza campaign.
In fact, ol' Bin Laden is calling for a jihad against the Gaza attacks.
If TQ has is way, I'll be swingin' from the gavels. Jihad THIS!
[QUOTE]Now, if you think Israel is justified in murdering the population of Gaza, as you obviously are, I suggest we hang you, as the theory needed to justify that would put you in strict accordance, excluding anti-Semitism, with the defending parties in the Nurenberg trials.[/QUOTE]
Not surprised that Osama and Casparama bin Laden have the same strong feelings.
Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has apparently released a new audio message calling for a jihad, or holy war, against Israel for its Gaza campaign.
In fact, ol' Bin Laden is calling for a jihad against the Gaza attacks.
If TQ has is way, I'll be swingin' from the gavels. Jihad THIS!
[QUOTE]Now, if you think Israel is justified in murdering the population of Gaza, as you obviously are, I suggest we hang you, as the theory needed to justify that would put you in strict accordance, excluding anti-Semitism, with the defending parties in the Nurenberg trials.[/QUOTE]
Not surprised that Osama and Casparama bin Laden have the same strong feelings.
and it's Nuremberg, dipshit.
In fact it's Nürnberg...
Thomas Quinn wrote:
"Spot on. Both sides are ruled by violent criminals (and Fatah is no good either), yet one is only allowed to say that of one side in the conflict: the one we (the West) are not in a formal alliance with. ...."
No idea about Holland but in Germany you can blame Israel although we are tiptoeing around in order to not hurt their feelings (for good reasons). We had several big demonstrations by pro-Palestinian organisations and 3 smaller pro-Israel demonstrations. The government asks both parties to end the violence which is the policy of the EU and the UN alike: stop the shooting an return to talking. The citizens can say what they think , they can call the Israel government a bunch of killers or zionists or whatever they like, it's freedom of speech.
Thomas Quinn wrote:
"Spot on. Both sides are ruled by violent criminals (and Fatah is no good either), yet one is only allowed to say that of one side in the conflict: the one we (the West) are not in a formal alliance with. ...."
No idea about Holland but in Germany you can blame Israel although we are tiptoeing around in order to not hurt their feelings (for good reasons). We had several big demonstrations by pro-Palestinian organisations and 3 smaller pro-Israel demonstrations. The government asks both parties to end the violence which is the policy of the EU and the UN alike: stop the shooting an return to talking. The citizens can say what they think , they can call the Israel government a bunch of killers or zionists or whatever they like, it's freedom of speech.
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[b]YourValentine wrote: [/b]
In fact it's Nürnberg...
Thomas Quinn wrote:
"Spot on. Both sides are ruled by violent criminals (and Fatah is no good either), yet one is only allowed to say that of one side in the conflict: the one we (the West) are not in a formal alliance with. ...."
No idea about Holland but in Germany you can blame Israel although we are tiptoeing around in order to not hurt their feelings (for good reasons). We had several big demonstrations by pro-Palestinian organisations and 3 smaller pro-Israel demonstrations. The government asks both parties to end the violence which is the policy of the EU and the UN alike: stop the shooting an return to talking. The citizens can say what they think , they can call the Israel government a bunch of killers or zionists or whatever they like, it's freedom of speech.[/QUOTE]
The problem here is that our most famous lawyer is a Jew. And he's gonna but some politicians on trial for demonstrating against Israel..... so here you have to be careful what you say! [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img]
[b]YourValentine wrote: [/b]
In fact it's Nürnberg...
Thomas Quinn wrote:
"Spot on. Both sides are ruled by violent criminals (and Fatah is no good either), yet one is only allowed to say that of one side in the conflict: the one we (the West) are not in a formal alliance with. ...."
No idea about Holland but in Germany you can blame Israel although we are tiptoeing around in order to not hurt their feelings (for good reasons). We had several big demonstrations by pro-Palestinian organisations and 3 smaller pro-Israel demonstrations. The government asks both parties to end the violence which is the policy of the EU and the UN alike: stop the shooting an return to talking. The citizens can say what they think , they can call the Israel government a bunch of killers or zionists or whatever they like, it's freedom of speech.[/QUOTE]
The problem here is that our most famous lawyer is a Jew. And he's gonna but some politicians on trial for demonstrating against Israel..... so here you have to be careful what you say! [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img]
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[b]The Mir@cle wrote: [/b]
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[b]YourValentine wrote: [/b]
In fact it's Nürnberg...
Thomas Quinn wrote:
"Spot on. Both sides are ruled by violent criminals (and Fatah is no good either), yet one is only allowed to say that of one side in the conflict: the one we (the West) are not in a formal alliance with. ...."
No idea about Holland but in Germany you can blame Israel although we are tiptoeing around in order to not hurt their feelings (for good reasons). We had several big demonstrations by pro-Palestinian organisations and 3 smaller pro-Israel demonstrations. The government asks both parties to end the violence which is the policy of the EU and the UN alike: stop the shooting an return to talking. The citizens can say what they think , they can call the Israel government a bunch of killers or zionists or whatever they like, it's freedom of speech.
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The problem here is that our most famous lawyer is a Jew. And he's gonna but some politicians on trial for demonstrating against Israel..... so here you have to be careful what you say! [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img] [/QUOTE]
Talk about the irony...
What we need are politicians who do NOT follow any particular religion, in my view.
It really fucks everything up when you fail to separate church/religion from state thanks to certain leaders or top authority figures.
I'm just thankful that in 5 days, our neighbours to the south will be finally rid of a man who honestly believes his personal wars against certain countries are "God's Will" (chortle)
[b]The Mir@cle wrote: [/b]
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[b]YourValentine wrote: [/b]
In fact it's Nürnberg...
Thomas Quinn wrote:
"Spot on. Both sides are ruled by violent criminals (and Fatah is no good either), yet one is only allowed to say that of one side in the conflict: the one we (the West) are not in a formal alliance with. ...."
No idea about Holland but in Germany you can blame Israel although we are tiptoeing around in order to not hurt their feelings (for good reasons). We had several big demonstrations by pro-Palestinian organisations and 3 smaller pro-Israel demonstrations. The government asks both parties to end the violence which is the policy of the EU and the UN alike: stop the shooting an return to talking. The citizens can say what they think , they can call the Israel government a bunch of killers or zionists or whatever they like, it's freedom of speech.
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The problem here is that our most famous lawyer is a Jew. And he's gonna but some politicians on trial for demonstrating against Israel..... so here you have to be careful what you say! [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img] [/QUOTE]
Talk about the irony...
What we need are politicians who do NOT follow any particular religion, in my view.
It really fucks everything up when you fail to separate church/religion from state thanks to certain leaders or top authority figures.
I'm just thankful that in 5 days, our neighbours to the south will be finally rid of a man who honestly believes his personal wars against certain countries are "God's Will" (chortle)
If we want to have a real discussion, I suggest those opposed to the Israeli operation will clarify what, exactly, their claim is:
- the operation itself is unjustified
- the [b]methods[/b] being used by Israel as part of the operation are unjustified
- both
Then we can have an intelligent discussion, rather than calling each other "nazi" and "anti-semitic" over and over. Agreed?
- the operation itself is unjustified
- the [b]methods[/b] being used by Israel as part of the operation are unjustified
- both
Then we can have an intelligent discussion, rather than calling each other "nazi" and "anti-semitic" over and over. Agreed?
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[b]YourValentine wrote: [/b]
In fact it's Nürnberg...
Thomas Quinn wrote:
"Spot on. Both sides are ruled by violent criminals (and Fatah is no good either), yet one is only allowed to say that of one side in the conflict: the one we (the West) are not in a formal alliance with. ...."
No idea about Holland but in Germany you can blame Israel although we are tiptoeing around in order to not hurt their feelings (for good reasons). We had several big demonstrations by pro-Palestinian organisations and 3 smaller pro-Israel demonstrations. The government asks both parties to end the violence which is the policy of the EU and the UN alike: stop the shooting an return to talking. The citizens can say what they think , they can call the Israel government a bunch of killers or zionists or whatever they like, it's freedom of speech.[/QUOTE]
Nürnberg is the German spelling. English has always shown a preference for the French names of many cities (thus it's Aix-la-Chapelle rather than Aachen when we speak of the peace treaty, and Cologne rather than Köln). I chose the English spelling, but I could've opted for the German as you point out.
Anyway, here in Holland, they're currently looking for ways to persecute a congresman for taking part in a demonstration during which *other people* not even associated with him yelled anti-Semitic bullshit.
[b]YourValentine wrote: [/b]
In fact it's Nürnberg...
Thomas Quinn wrote:
"Spot on. Both sides are ruled by violent criminals (and Fatah is no good either), yet one is only allowed to say that of one side in the conflict: the one we (the West) are not in a formal alliance with. ...."
No idea about Holland but in Germany you can blame Israel although we are tiptoeing around in order to not hurt their feelings (for good reasons). We had several big demonstrations by pro-Palestinian organisations and 3 smaller pro-Israel demonstrations. The government asks both parties to end the violence which is the policy of the EU and the UN alike: stop the shooting an return to talking. The citizens can say what they think , they can call the Israel government a bunch of killers or zionists or whatever they like, it's freedom of speech.[/QUOTE]
Nürnberg is the German spelling. English has always shown a preference for the French names of many cities (thus it's Aix-la-Chapelle rather than Aachen when we speak of the peace treaty, and Cologne rather than Köln). I chose the English spelling, but I could've opted for the German as you point out.
Anyway, here in Holland, they're currently looking for ways to persecute a congresman for taking part in a demonstration during which *other people* not even associated with him yelled anti-Semitic bullshit.
Today the IDF has flattened the UN headquarters in Gaza, destroying plenty of humanitarian aid intended for the thousands of injured civilians.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/01/14/gaza-thursday.html
And on a side note, they've even killed journalists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3yN1Qnz3LQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9FP7VKGlc8
Someone please, provide a rational explanation as to how this isn't the IDF trying to sensor their atrocities past and present, and why this is different from any other instance of ethnic cleansing in recent history.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/01/14/gaza-thursday.html
And on a side note, they've even killed journalists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3yN1Qnz3LQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9FP7VKGlc8
Someone please, provide a rational explanation as to how this isn't the IDF trying to sensor their atrocities past and present, and why this is different from any other instance of ethnic cleansing in recent history.
AND
[QUOTE]GAZA CITY, Gaza (CNN) -- An Israeli artillery strike Thursday killed the third most senior Hamas leader in Gaza, Hamas television announced.
Saeed Siam was killed "in the latest shelling on a house" in Gaza City's Sheikh Radwan neighborhood, said Al-Aqsa TV, which showed images of a body it identified as Siam.
Siam served as interior minister in the Hamas-led government before it was dissolved in 2007 BUT STILL THOUGHT OF AS THE LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT ACCORDING TO THOMAS QUINN (see previous posts). He ranked behind only former Prime Minister Ismail Haniya and former Foreign Minister Mahmoud al-Zahar in Hamas' Gaza hierarchy. [/QUOTE]
So it's not just a baby bar-b-que going on. Yes, war sucks. And civilians die. Civilians also die from Hamas missles that aren't shot down by the Super Dooper Israeli Missle Pooper that apparently shoots down every missle ever made.
I'm not taking sides, as TQ wants me and my nazi klan brothers and sisters to. I'm merely pointing out that both sides are killing. One just happens to be a little more accurate (or not, depending on your point-of-view).
[QUOTE]GAZA CITY, Gaza (CNN) -- An Israeli artillery strike Thursday killed the third most senior Hamas leader in Gaza, Hamas television announced.
Saeed Siam was killed "in the latest shelling on a house" in Gaza City's Sheikh Radwan neighborhood, said Al-Aqsa TV, which showed images of a body it identified as Siam.
Siam served as interior minister in the Hamas-led government before it was dissolved in 2007 BUT STILL THOUGHT OF AS THE LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT ACCORDING TO THOMAS QUINN (see previous posts). He ranked behind only former Prime Minister Ismail Haniya and former Foreign Minister Mahmoud al-Zahar in Hamas' Gaza hierarchy. [/QUOTE]
So it's not just a baby bar-b-que going on. Yes, war sucks. And civilians die. Civilians also die from Hamas missles that aren't shot down by the Super Dooper Israeli Missle Pooper that apparently shoots down every missle ever made.
I'm not taking sides, as TQ wants me and my nazi klan brothers and sisters to. I'm merely pointing out that both sides are killing. One just happens to be a little more accurate (or not, depending on your point-of-view).
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[b]Micrówave wrote: [/b]
I'm merely pointing out that both sides are killing.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but the numbers are far from equal. Less than 10 Israeli civilian deaths vs about 500 Palestinians.
And the Palestinian side isn't the one cutting off relief (and destroying UN headquarters) for their injured.
Other than that, you're spot on.
[b]Micrówave wrote: [/b]
I'm merely pointing out that both sides are killing.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but the numbers are far from equal. Less than 10 Israeli civilian deaths vs about 500 Palestinians.
And the Palestinian side isn't the one cutting off relief (and destroying UN headquarters) for their injured.
Other than that, you're spot on.
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
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[b]Micrówave wrote: [/b]
I'm merely pointing out that both sides are killing.
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Yes, but the numbers are far from equal. Less than 10 Israeli civilian deaths vs about 500 Palestinians.
And the Palestinian side isn't the one cutting off relief (and destroying UN headquarters) for their injured.
Other than that, you're spot on.
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Make it a 1000 civilian deaths... Already 300 innocent children died of this one sided war. You can't compare this to the few home made Hamas rockets who misses their targets each day, or can you Microwave?
[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
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[b]Micrówave wrote: [/b]
I'm merely pointing out that both sides are killing.
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Yes, but the numbers are far from equal. Less than 10 Israeli civilian deaths vs about 500 Palestinians.
And the Palestinian side isn't the one cutting off relief (and destroying UN headquarters) for their injured.
Other than that, you're spot on.
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Make it a 1000 civilian deaths... Already 300 innocent children died of this one sided war. You can't compare this to the few home made Hamas rockets who misses their targets each day, or can you Microwave?
You most certainly can compare it!!!
A few homemade rockets? Why not read a little from the Israeli point-of-view?
Time magazine reports about a dozen missles an hour get fired. Missle raid warnings go off about every seven minutes. Families scramble to find shelter, they've got about 5-10 minutes to take cover. But that's ok for people to live like that?
Rockets are being fired from a densely populated area into a more rural area. That explains the reasons for the difference in casualty count.
How can you seriously think that I am for the killing? All you people are talking about is how one-sided this war is. Is there some kind of rule where warring nations must have equal kill counts? Rather than condemn one side, get the facts. Imagine yourself in both positions.
A cease fire was signed. Hamas kept shooting random missles into Israel. Was Israel supposed to just say "stop it" and do nothing further? I'd be interested in your answers to that question.
A few homemade rockets? Why not read a little from the Israeli point-of-view?
Time magazine reports about a dozen missles an hour get fired. Missle raid warnings go off about every seven minutes. Families scramble to find shelter, they've got about 5-10 minutes to take cover. But that's ok for people to live like that?
Rockets are being fired from a densely populated area into a more rural area. That explains the reasons for the difference in casualty count.
How can you seriously think that I am for the killing? All you people are talking about is how one-sided this war is. Is there some kind of rule where warring nations must have equal kill counts? Rather than condemn one side, get the facts. Imagine yourself in both positions.
A cease fire was signed. Hamas kept shooting random missles into Israel. Was Israel supposed to just say "stop it" and do nothing further? I'd be interested in your answers to that question.