And take a look at this.... But you're right Microwave. This has to be done to stop Hamas firing missles. [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img]
[url=http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb1rmLAuvM8 ]http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb1rmLAuvM8 [/url]
I heard a professor saying that the best way to stop a war, is to react with less power than your attacker. That's the way to bring down the vicious circle. Like I said, reacting the way Israel does now only creates more hate which probably make people support Hamas even more. That's creatinga vicious circle of getting more and more voilence.
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[b]Micrówave wrote: [/b]
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[b]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/b]
The numbers don't lie...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gaza-Israel_war_casualties.png
About 5% of Israeli casualities Vs 95% of Palestinian casualties.
...and people are still willing to justify Israel's actions?
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I don't think anyone has come on here and "justified" Israel's actions. But Israel's actions are not better or worse than Hamas. Both are causing damage.
But not as much damage as Wikipedia.
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You've been trying to justify it for the whole duration of this topic. Whenever I pointed out a serious breach of international law, not to mention human decency, you jumped in and defended them (in the mean time spewing silly puns likening me to whatever terrorist you could think of at the time, but hey, that's beside the point).
You try very hard to act moderate and acceptable, but you demonstrate time and time again that you are just a regular conservative with a cold war mindset, dividing the world into "good" and "evil" portions, and filing yourself under the "good".
[b]Micrówave wrote: [/b]
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[b]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/b]
The numbers don't lie...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gaza-Israel_war_casualties.png
About 5% of Israeli casualities Vs 95% of Palestinian casualties.
...and people are still willing to justify Israel's actions?
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I don't think anyone has come on here and "justified" Israel's actions. But Israel's actions are not better or worse than Hamas. Both are causing damage.
But not as much damage as Wikipedia.
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You've been trying to justify it for the whole duration of this topic. Whenever I pointed out a serious breach of international law, not to mention human decency, you jumped in and defended them (in the mean time spewing silly puns likening me to whatever terrorist you could think of at the time, but hey, that's beside the point).
You try very hard to act moderate and acceptable, but you demonstrate time and time again that you are just a regular conservative with a cold war mindset, dividing the world into "good" and "evil" portions, and filing yourself under the "good".
The headlines today read "Israel declares unilateral ceasefire," but they should read: "Israel negotiates ceasefire on their terms with Condolezza Rice while they still can." What impeccable timing. And the massacre continues...
An Israeli tank shell hit a UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency) school today killing two children and wounding 13 civilians. This is the second UN safe zone that Israel has attacked in three days.
Let's see the apologists try to rationalize this one now. I have no doubt they will.
An Israeli tank shell hit a UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency) school today killing two children and wounding 13 civilians. This is the second UN safe zone that Israel has attacked in three days.
Let's see the apologists try to rationalize this one now. I have no doubt they will.
The cease-fire was treated in the news media as a farce even before it came into effect (and rightly so, as it could never have held considering the circumstances). Olmert has said that "Israel has attained its goals in Gaza"; considering what has happened so far, I am not quite sure what those goals are, but they must be something along the lines of "recruiting more Palestinian youths for Jihadist extremism". Perhaps the top of the military establishment in Israel is afraid they won't have enough rock-throwers left to justify their ridiculous budget?
Hopefully, the next Secretary of State will be a bit more critical in her treatment of allies when they go loco like this. Whatever happens, she'll have a hell of a job to patch this up.
Hopefully, the next Secretary of State will be a bit more critical in her treatment of allies when they go loco like this. Whatever happens, she'll have a hell of a job to patch this up.
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[b]ThomasQuinn wrote: [/b]
The cease-fire was treated in the news media as a farce even before it came into effect (and rightly so, as it could never have held considering the circumstances). Olmert has said that "Israel has attained its goals in Gaza"; considering what has happened so far, I am not quite sure what those goals are, but they must be something along the lines of [b]"recruiting more Palestinian youths for Jihadist extremism".[/b]
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Dead on!
[b]ThomasQuinn wrote: [/b]
The cease-fire was treated in the news media as a farce even before it came into effect (and rightly so, as it could never have held considering the circumstances). Olmert has said that "Israel has attained its goals in Gaza"; considering what has happened so far, I am not quite sure what those goals are, but they must be something along the lines of [b]"recruiting more Palestinian youths for Jihadist extremism".[/b]
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Dead on!
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No, I have not be defending anything. I am simply stating that BOTH sides are causing harm. YOU don't acknowledge the random missle launching... and if you do, you think that it's no big deal.
By the way, according to the UN, 25% of the casualties are civilians. The way this thread has been going, the only people being hurt or killed are civilians... and that's just not true.
Hamas makes it common practice to hold their meetings and rallies at schools and mosques, and even launch their missle attacks from there! Yet, no one mentions how wrong THAT is, to be putting those people in harms way. Then, when the school gets leveled, it's the horrible Israelis bombing children.
No, I have not be defending anything. I am simply stating that BOTH sides are causing harm. YOU don't acknowledge the random missle launching... and if you do, you think that it's no big deal.
By the way, according to the UN, 25% of the casualties are civilians. The way this thread has been going, the only people being hurt or killed are civilians... and that's just not true.
Hamas makes it common practice to hold their meetings and rallies at schools and mosques, and even launch their missle attacks from there! Yet, no one mentions how wrong THAT is, to be putting those people in harms way. Then, when the school gets leveled, it's the horrible Israelis bombing children.
Israel has no place in Palestine anyway.
You don't see Italy claiming half of Europe because it was once Roman. As it happened thousands of years ago, it isn't a valid reason to invade another country.
You don't see Italy claiming half of Europe because it was once Roman. As it happened thousands of years ago, it isn't a valid reason to invade another country.
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[b]Micrówave wrote: [/b]
@ TQ
No, I have not be defending anything. I am simply stating that BOTH sides are causing harm. YOU don't acknowledge the random missle launching... and if you do, you think that it's no big deal.
By the way, according to the UN, 25% of the casualties are civilians. The way this thread has been going, the only people being hurt or killed are civilians... and that's just not true.
Hamas makes it common practice to hold their meetings and rallies at schools and mosques, and even launch their missle attacks from there! Yet, no one mentions how wrong THAT is, to be putting those people in harms way. Then, when the school gets leveled, it's the horrible Israelis bombing children. [/QUOTE]
[i]I´m not defending any position either but you know that war is never the solution to anything.
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[b]Micrówave wrote: [/b]
@ TQ
No, I have not be defending anything. I am simply stating that BOTH sides are causing harm. YOU don't acknowledge the random missle launching... and if you do, you think that it's no big deal.
By the way, according to the UN, 25% of the casualties are civilians. The way this thread has been going, the only people being hurt or killed are civilians... and that's just not true.
Hamas makes it common practice to hold their meetings and rallies at schools and mosques, and even launch their missle attacks from there! Yet, no one mentions how wrong THAT is, to be putting those people in harms way. Then, when the school gets leveled, it's the horrible Israelis bombing children. [/QUOTE]
[i]I´m not defending any position either but you know that war is never the solution to anything.
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