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Crisstti
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[b]inu-liger wrote: [/b]
Didn't it say in the biography included in his Solo boxset that he was officially diagnosed HIV Positive in 1987? [/QUOTE]
Did it?.
I think the 1984 date is brought up because Mary Austin said in an interview that he "lived withe knowledge that he had HIV for 7 years" (going from memory).
[b]inu-liger wrote: [/b]
Didn't it say in the biography included in his Solo boxset that he was officially diagnosed HIV Positive in 1987? [/QUOTE]
Did it?.
I think the 1984 date is brought up because Mary Austin said in an interview that he "lived withe knowledge that he had HIV for 7 years" (going from memory).
Crisstti
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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]
It does say, but some people have a superstitious, frankly bizarre distrust of Jim Hutton. It's called the [b]"I like Queen, therefore I know enough to pass judgement on the people in the band and everyone who ever knew them personally"[/b] syndrome.
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LOL!!!.
No doubt one sees that attitude...
[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]
It does say, but some people have a superstitious, frankly bizarre distrust of Jim Hutton. It's called the [b]"I like Queen, therefore I know enough to pass judgement on the people in the band and everyone who ever knew them personally"[/b] syndrome.
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LOL!!!.
No doubt one sees that attitude...
jadedlady
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[b]Crisstti wrote: [/b]
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[b]inu-liger wrote: [/b]
Didn't it say in the biography included in his Solo boxset that he was officially diagnosed HIV Positive in 1987?
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Did it?.
I think the 1984 date is brought up because Mary Austin said in an interview that he "lived withe knowledge that he had HIV for 7 years" (going from memory).
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When did Mary say that and to who?
[b]Crisstti wrote: [/b]
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[b]inu-liger wrote: [/b]
Didn't it say in the biography included in his Solo boxset that he was officially diagnosed HIV Positive in 1987?
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Did it?.
I think the 1984 date is brought up because Mary Austin said in an interview that he "lived withe knowledge that he had HIV for 7 years" (going from memory).
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When did Mary say that and to who?
Sunshine
I think he knew it indeed in 1986 but got the virus maybe already in the early 80's. He got Aids in 1987 when he developed Kaposi's sarcom and felt sick. The virus started in the US among gay men. Then it travelled to Europe. And because Freddie was clubbing heavily in that period, the chance he got it in his New York period or Munich period is likely.
No one knows for sure when he knew it. My guess is that he knew it as soon he stopped clubbing suddenly, like end of 1985-early 1986. Maybe then he found out he was infected and made his way of thinking different.
If he got infected 5 yrs later, he probably would still be alive...
No one knows for sure when he knew it. My guess is that he knew it as soon he stopped clubbing suddenly, like end of 1985-early 1986. Maybe then he found out he was infected and made his way of thinking different.
If he got infected 5 yrs later, he probably would still be alive...
Crisstti
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[b]Sunshine wrote: [/b]
I think he knew it indeed in 1986 but got the virus maybe already in the early 80's. He got Aids in 1987 when he developed Kaposi's sarcom and felt sick. The virus started in the US among gay men. Then it travelled to Europe. And because Freddie was clubbing heavily in that period, the chance he got it in his New York period or Munich period is likely.
No one knows for sure when he knew it. My guess is that he knew it as soon he stopped clubbing suddenly, like end of 1985-early 1986. Maybe then he found out he was infected and made his way of thinking different.
If he got infected 5 yrs later, he probably would still be alive...[/QUOTE]
Didn't it start in Africa?.
It's ironic, really, because the people who got in the late 70's, early 80's didn't know about the danger, or very vaguely. The people who got it later were probably being more irresponsible. Not that they desereved it at all either, but it seems unfair.
[b]Sunshine wrote: [/b]
I think he knew it indeed in 1986 but got the virus maybe already in the early 80's. He got Aids in 1987 when he developed Kaposi's sarcom and felt sick. The virus started in the US among gay men. Then it travelled to Europe. And because Freddie was clubbing heavily in that period, the chance he got it in his New York period or Munich period is likely.
No one knows for sure when he knew it. My guess is that he knew it as soon he stopped clubbing suddenly, like end of 1985-early 1986. Maybe then he found out he was infected and made his way of thinking different.
If he got infected 5 yrs later, he probably would still be alive...[/QUOTE]
Didn't it start in Africa?.
It's ironic, really, because the people who got in the late 70's, early 80's didn't know about the danger, or very vaguely. The people who got it later were probably being more irresponsible. Not that they desereved it at all either, but it seems unfair.
Crisstti
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[b]jadedlady wrote: [/b]
When did Mary say that and to who?
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In an interview to the Daily Mail, in 2000 it seems:
http://www.freddie.ru/e/archives/daily_mail/
The same interview appears in that website, but in OK Magazine. Funnily enough, they edited some parts:
[url=http://www.freddie.ru/e/archives/ok/]http://www.freddie.ru/e/archives/ok/[/url] (this one has photographs).
[b]jadedlady wrote: [/b]
When did Mary say that and to who?
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In an interview to the Daily Mail, in 2000 it seems:
http://www.freddie.ru/e/archives/daily_mail/
The same interview appears in that website, but in OK Magazine. Funnily enough, they edited some parts:
[url=http://www.freddie.ru/e/archives/ok/]http://www.freddie.ru/e/archives/ok/[/url] (this one has photographs).
jadedlady
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[b]Crisstti wrote: [/b]
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[b]jadedlady wrote: [/b]
When did Mary say that and to who?
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In an interview to the Daily Mail, in 2000 it seems:
http://www.freddie.ru/e/archives/daily_mail/
The same interview appears in that website, but in OK Magazine. Funnily enough, they edited some parts:
[url=http://www.freddie.ru/e/archives/ok/]http://www.freddie.ru/e/archives/ok/[/url] (this one has photographs).[/QUOTE]
Interesting reading it, if a bit sad.
[b]Crisstti wrote: [/b]
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[b]jadedlady wrote: [/b]
When did Mary say that and to who?
[/QUOTE]
In an interview to the Daily Mail, in 2000 it seems:
http://www.freddie.ru/e/archives/daily_mail/
The same interview appears in that website, but in OK Magazine. Funnily enough, they edited some parts:
[url=http://www.freddie.ru/e/archives/ok/]http://www.freddie.ru/e/archives/ok/[/url] (this one has photographs).[/QUOTE]
Interesting reading it, if a bit sad.
Marcos Napier
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[b]jadedlady wrote: [/b]
If he knew he had it in 1984 I will be very surprised. He looked to be in the best shape of his life around that time.
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I have to disagree. When they came for Rock in Rio, I remember thinking he was kinda fat, and a visible belly could be spotted, and it was a bit less evident during Live Aid. The next year, he was a bit (way) thinner for the Magic concerts. To me it all started around 85 although the confirmation was around 87, but when he finally was tested it was because the symptoms were starting to get more and more evident and not because he wanted to know if he had it or not - he knew he had it.
[b]jadedlady wrote: [/b]
If he knew he had it in 1984 I will be very surprised. He looked to be in the best shape of his life around that time.
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I have to disagree. When they came for Rock in Rio, I remember thinking he was kinda fat, and a visible belly could be spotted, and it was a bit less evident during Live Aid. The next year, he was a bit (way) thinner for the Magic concerts. To me it all started around 85 although the confirmation was around 87, but when he finally was tested it was because the symptoms were starting to get more and more evident and not because he wanted to know if he had it or not - he knew he had it.
jadedlady
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[b]Marcos Napier wrote: [/b]
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[b]jadedlady wrote: [/b]
If he knew he had it in 1984 I will be very surprised. He looked to be in the best shape of his life around that time.
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I have to disagree. When they came for Rock in Rio, I remember thinking he was kinda fat, and a visible belly could be spotted, and it was a bit less evident during Live Aid. The next year, he was a bit (way) thinner for the Magic concerts. To me it all started around 85 although the confirmation was around 87, but when he finally was tested it was because the symptoms were starting to get more and more evident and not because he wanted to know if he had it or not - he knew he had it.
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I did not realise.
[b]Marcos Napier wrote: [/b]
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[b]jadedlady wrote: [/b]
If he knew he had it in 1984 I will be very surprised. He looked to be in the best shape of his life around that time.
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I have to disagree. When they came for Rock in Rio, I remember thinking he was kinda fat, and a visible belly could be spotted, and it was a bit less evident during Live Aid. The next year, he was a bit (way) thinner for the Magic concerts. To me it all started around 85 although the confirmation was around 87, but when he finally was tested it was because the symptoms were starting to get more and more evident and not because he wanted to know if he had it or not - he knew he had it.
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I did not realise.
A_WintersTale
I don't see much sense in finding out precise time for something terrible that had its fatal end anyway but let me contribute to the topic nevertheless.
While he was still working in Munich, Freddie got close to the German actress Barbara Valentine. She, herself, also passed away in 2002 but in HER memoirs she mentioned that she was the first person to MAKE him to make an HIV-test. This was the period of the "Mr. Bad Guy"-album. (He dedicated it later to her "big tits" amongst other dedications) You do the math!
While he was still working in Munich, Freddie got close to the German actress Barbara Valentine. She, herself, also passed away in 2002 but in HER memoirs she mentioned that she was the first person to MAKE him to make an HIV-test. This was the period of the "Mr. Bad Guy"-album. (He dedicated it later to her "big tits" amongst other dedications) You do the math!
«¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤»
What does it matter?? The man died of terrible, incurable disease. We lost a talented, wonderful musician who gave so much and filled the entire world with his beautiful voice and songs.
L-R-TIGER1994
[i]It´s not the real matter of the topic but Barbara Valentine was not German but Austrian.[/i]
The Real Wizard
There is little doubt that he knew it during the Magic tour.
L-R-TIGER1994
[i]I found this:
"Freddie broke with Winnie and his relationship with Jim became better. His relation with Barbara came to end at the end of 1985 when Freddie decides to go back to England, he left Barbara with no reason, perhaps because he found out he had aids and was afraid to tell her. When he found out he had aids he stopped with his nightlive and stayed home al the time in his dreamhouse Garden Lodge."
On Barbara´s memoirs she said that the last time she saw Freddie he was crying and gave her no reason for that,she invited him to go to her house but he preferred to return to his hotel,he moved to England and never saw him again.[/i]
"Freddie broke with Winnie and his relationship with Jim became better. His relation with Barbara came to end at the end of 1985 when Freddie decides to go back to England, he left Barbara with no reason, perhaps because he found out he had aids and was afraid to tell her. When he found out he had aids he stopped with his nightlive and stayed home al the time in his dreamhouse Garden Lodge."
On Barbara´s memoirs she said that the last time she saw Freddie he was crying and gave her no reason for that,she invited him to go to her house but he preferred to return to his hotel,he moved to England and never saw him again.[/i]