Freddie knew he had HIV in 1984?

I thought that Freddie never used drugs like Jim says in one article- he tried every drug that excist-.....(i read that somewhere).But, I really dont think Freddie would do the unsafe sex with anyone,if he knew he was HIV positive..especailly with Jim..I read somewhere they met in 1983 and here i read its 1985. year.
Watch The Untold Story,and u`ll hear how Freddie told them he is HIV positive,and u will hear that he couldn even say that word (HIV)..He couldnt say that to his mom and dad,he didnt want to hurt them...

A pair of things:

-  Mary said in that interview that Freddie knew he had HIV for 7 years, which would put the date in 1984 or 1985.

-  Barbara Valentin suspected he knew in 1984, when she says he left her.
She says that because he left her without explanation, and because of that incident in which he cut himself and didn't want her to get near.
She also says they had sex.
And that she was the first person to make him have an HIV test.

-  Peter Jones (Freddie's driver and friend until 1984) said that he thinks Freddie knew then, because that would explain some attitudes of his as well as an almost fall from some stairs...

Now, Kes from the forum in Queenonline has said many times that Jim, Peter AND Mary have given 1987 as the date.  But I haven't seen an interview with her saying that.  Would it be possible that the magazine made a mistake?.
Both Barbara Valentin's and Peter John's impressions that Freddie knew in 1984 are something they thought in hindsight, when they knew later that he had AIDS.  the attitudes they talk about could be explained by many other things (personal problems, drugs...), and not necessarily because he knew he had HIV.  Maybe he left Barbara because he wanted to live with Jim?.  As for the HIV test, they weren't very reliable at the time (for what I know) so it mighthave been negative.

Now, if they are right, then:

-  Barbara Valentin would have had HIV too.  Does anyone know if she did?.
Actually, whether he knew or not in 1984, he very probably had it by then , so in any case she would have had it.

-  Freddie would have knowingly infected who knows how many men, since by any account he was having a lot of casual sex until 1985 at least.

-  Jim said they only started to use protection after Freddie told him he had AIDS in 1987, so if he knew since 1984 it would mean that he knowingly infected Jim.  And his German boyfriend, Winnie.

So, it would really lower my opinion of Freddie if he indeed knew in 1984.  But I refuse to believe him capable of that unless some better evidence is presented.

Plus, think about it: 

-  If he didn't want Barbara to come close to him when he had cut himself (to protect her, evidently), then, how would you explain that he wouldn't care about having unprotected sex with Jim (and Winnie)?.
-  Monserrat Caballe has said that he told her that he had HIV, saying that he felt "it was his obligation" to tell her.  So, he felt morally obliged to tell a friend, with whom he was not having sex, but didn care about having unprotected sex with his boyfriends...?.

Doesn't seem to make sense.

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[b]L-R-TIGER1994 wrote: [/b]

[i]I found this:

"Freddie broke with Winnie and his relationship with Jim became better. His relation with Barbara came to end at the end of 1985 when Freddie decides to go back to England, he left Barbara with no reason, perhaps because he found out he had aids and was afraid to tell her. When he found out he had aids he stopped with his nightlive and stayed home al the time in his dreamhouse Garden Lodge."


On Barbara´s memoirs she said that the last time she saw Freddie he was crying and gave her no reason for that,she invited him to go to her house but he preferred to return to his hotel,he moved to England and never saw him again.[/i][/QUOTE]
Peter Freestone said Freddie and Barbara remained friends until the end...

Does Peter Jones have a book? Or any interviews with Joe Fanelli? Or any of Freddie's other friends?

I'd be interested in reading some other perspectives on this other than Jim's book, Peter Freestone's book, and Mary's one interview. I think Jim's writing is heartfelt, but it's also very clouded because of his deep feelings, his seeming feud with Mary, and from what I've noticed, a tendency to contradict or embellish for dramatic purposes. I know in many cases he has completely left her out of events for which she was present, or refers to her as simply a company secretary.

My 2c is that he likely would have known before Live Aid, just because he must have felt the slow effects for a LONG time before he finally got symptoms he could no longer deny, but that doesn't count for much since I didn't know him!

kenny everett discovered he was HIV+ in 1984,after Nicolai (russian)..Freddie was awarned about that desease from his friend Paul Gambaccini who just got back from USA.Nicolai went in NY and got from someone HIV and he infected Freddie and Kenny..I dont read magazines,I believe this when someone close to him gives that interview now.Mary knew that he was ill from the start.He says,that Freddie was ill for about 7 years.

and one more thing is that after someone get that infection,and if he tests himself results will be negative for 3-6 months.

How is this possible when Freddie didn't get HIV until 1986? After the Magic Tour was over, he went to New York and this is where he got HIV, he was tested and found out in late 1987

MercuryAngel209 wrote: I believe Freddie knew he had HIV for a long time before he was finally tested.  He may of been diagnosed with AIDs by 1986.  After Live Aid, Brian May, and the rest of the band, including Freddie were in the studio finishing their Magic Album.  When time for touring came around, Freddie said he had had enough of touring and wanted to make it their last stretch on the touring circuit.  He was adamant about it and put his foot down when Brian May pressed him as to why he was giving up on the touring part of Queen.  Freddie just said he had enough.  Inside, however, although Im no Freddie insider(in his close circle of friends.), Freddie was exhausted.  He had just begun a serious relationship with Jim, that would last until he died.  He wanted to relax a bit.  Take stock of life and enjoy his time out of the press and spotlight.  Freddie most likely knew he had something.  He knew of flight attendents and bartenders at gay clubs he had one night stands with die from a disease that he thought was at first contracted as an inhalant from cocaine use.  He had officially been tested in 1987 and diagnosed with full blown AIDS.  At the time the drugs were years away from success.  They were in their infancy and terrible side effects occured, such as weight gain, nausea, etc.  Freddie knew that he contracted AIDS from having multiple partners.  He did not blame Jim.  Jim, most likely got HIV from Freddie.  In the early 80s, Freddie, Kenny Everett, a spaniard name Pepe and a russian solider named Nicolai, had a sexual foursome for a long time.  Nicolai, is said to be the person who infected all of them and was the first to die.  Nicolai was rampantlly permiscuous.  I am sick of people here blaming Jim for infecting Freddie.  No one knows the true orgin of how Freddie became infected, nor who gave it to him.  I wanted to point out in one of the threads, one person said that Mary said that Jim gave Freddie HIV.  That is completely a lie.  Mary to this day has never spoken of the orgin of Freddie's HIV/AIDS.  She and Jim may both have been at odds and still are to this day.  However, Mary has never betrayed Freddie's confidence and told anything about Freddie that others already knew themselves.  Im not saying Mary was always nice to Jim about things before and after Freddie's death.  But I do believe out of everyone, it is Mary who truly cared about Freddie. I  have read Jim's book.  I found it to be, in my opinion very real and honest.  However, either Jim was not very affectionate or was closed to Freddie at times, because, I wished he would have shown his love to Freddie more openly, the way Freddie deserved to be loved.  I think in the end Freddie made the right decision and left his money and estate to Mary because he felt she would be the one to perserve it in a way he would have wanted.  Freddie was a wonderful musical genius, the likes of will never be seen again.  He left an indelible mark on many who loved him so much.  We all secretly hope he is looking from beyond to really see how incredible he was to so many.  I do believe he didnt know how much he was loved and how people really did love him not just for how he made them feel by his musical genius but by the kindly generosity and thoughtfulness he showed to countless names and faces who benefitted from a look, a smile and even of touch of the true king of Queen.

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Or Freddie left Garden Lodge and 50% of his estate to Mary because he thought Jim, being HIV+, wasn't going to live long (and as we know Jim lived for another 19 years).

http://www.closetkawaii.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/freddie-mercury.jpg

I doubt Freddie was ill (HIV or AIDS) in 1984--the man was in his peak fitness shape.

No one may know just when he got the virus.mick rocks thinks it was in new york at the time he became infected.

We should build a time machine, return to 1975 and tell Freddy to use condoms. Then we return to 2011, Queen have just released a new album and we have 5 albums to listen to which have been released since 1991. Oh, and a huge tour with an orchestra, performing Queen II integral.

"I doubt Freddie was ill (HIV or AIDS) in 1984--the man was in his peak fitness shape. "

For your edification; having been infected with HIV would not have really made him appear unfit.  It's only once it develops into full blown AIDS that things start to really go wrong.  He could've had it in '84, easily.  

A lot of people like to speculate, for some reason, whether he knew or not.  I don't think he did, technically, but in line with his growing maturity in those years I think he probably knew there was a possibility that it was gonna happen.

Well someone said that he looked fat and out of shape because he got infected with HIV. I'm like "that's BS."

That photo was to prove that he wasn't fat or out of shape!

I doubt that Freddie knew about his illness in 1984. Once I read in Rick Sky's book that Freddie had a test of his blood in 1986 and doctor said to him that he's got AIDS (or HIV at that moment, I can't properly remember).

About one and a half years ago I read that Freddie got his illness in 1983.

Gregsynth wrote: Well someone said that he looked fat and out of shape because he got infected with HIV. I'm like "that's BS."

That photo was to prove that he wasn't fat or out of shape!

Well, if you've watched Live in Rio you will notice Freddie was indees a bit fatty.
He had a belly well in development by that time (january 1985), as well as in the
other gigs from early '85. Then suddenly in july by the time of Live Aid, he was
totally in shape. Like this picture from this article:

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/ilustrada/854676-queen-ganha-exposicao-filmes-e-reedicao-de-toda-a-sua-obra-em-nova-gravadora.shtml

But I don't think this has something to do with his illness. And if I'm going to give
an opinion, he was infected by 81-83. It was a time when he was massively going
into clubs having unsafe sex with everyone that crossed his way. I have read 
Lesley-Ann Jones biography (an excellent one, best I've read by the way) and once
you read it you're sure that this was the exactly period. But that doesn't mean he knew
it. I think he could suppose he did, but was not sure at all. The confirmation test was
really in early '87 when he was already developing full blown AIDS.