The Queen Archivist's job is NOT being undermined?

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[b]Micrówave wrote: [/b]

Yes, I know.  I have the album.

But I'm still not sure who owns "Victory", the song.  Surely not BOTH Michael and Freddie.  The Jackson estate owns State Of Shock.  There is no way in hell Greg Brooks is the archivist for Michael Jackson.  That would require quite a bit more than one person.[/QUOTE]
Well I guess Michael Jackson wrote it for victory, so it’s his.
Whatever limits Michaels lawyers put on his unreleased stuff at the time also extends to the version of it in the Queen Archives.
Both Michaels and Freddie’s estates should benefit from royalties on its release though, if they use the version with Freddies vocals.
Of course, none of this is fact, but I assume it’s something similar.

Hey Greg

Tog here...long time no speak, as you are in an answering mood I thought I'd drop a couple in.

Often wondered if the Queen archive is a full time role for you? how much time per week do you actually have to devote to it? and will it ever be done as-it-were.

As for the stuff you probably can't answer here goes one that I have also often wondered about.
During the time when Fred recorded The Great Pretender it was rumoured that he had done others in a similar vain. whether or not this is true has never really been clear to me (maybe others) if no, do you think (from what is left in the archive it was ever his intention to do a solo album of covers? if not why did he record that one?? what was his thinking behind doing a one off? just for fun? because it was a fav track? just had some tape left on the reel???   any clue

One other quicky, are you transfering Queen archive material into a format that will be (fairly) future proof. Is it all going digital or do you still rely on tapes?

Cheers Greg

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[/QUOTE] I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU DETAILS OF THIS, BECAUSE IT IS MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN YOU THINK, BUT - YOU KNOW WHAT'S COMING - I CANNOT SAY MORE.  VERY EXCITING THOUGH.   [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]   

  Okay, I guess I will appear quite ignorant here, but I have to ask.  Why is this something that cannot be discussed?  I mean it's a song, not a national security secret.  Would just like to understand.  Thanks

We been through this already....It was over a decade ago I heard this same guy say that lots of great exciting Unreleased material is sitting in the vaults, and ready for release in the next few years.  Years and few a more gray hairs later nothing has been released.  Now he say's this exciting michael jackson duet is in the vaults, and you all fall for it.

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I am continuing to do a brilliant job and being generally splendid at all things I undertake in the course of my work.
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it would be hard to be BAD or INCOMPETENT at the job of labeling tapes and stacking them .......    lol
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[b]mike hunt wrote:[/b]

  Now he say's this exciting michael jackson duet is in the vaults, and you all fall for it
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mike you misunderstand him
[/QUOTE]the duet is with MJ, it exists, and it is in the vaults[/QUOTE]
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Well, I'm saying BULLSHIT.

I don't think it exists with Fred.  Why would Michael give the track to Fred if he sang on it?  The Jackson estate owns this.  Greg's knowledge of the track should IN NO WAY interfere with the operations of the Queen machine.   It is not co-owned by Queen so Greg (and Queen) are under no obligation to hide any info from the fans.  If they know something, they would not be prevented from saying things like:

"It's a four minute track with vocals by Freddie". 
"Brian and Roger have done production work on it"
"Michael said 'it sucks, let's shelve it.'"

The song did not earn any monetary value, as it was never released, finished, etc.  No one's estate would be harmed by discussing these facts or non-facts.  Sounds to me like Queen or Greg Brooks is simply trying to keep up the illusions that the fans are demanding this, which they're not.

It's the same old bullshit being rehashed. The so called box sets were supposed to be out as early as '93 but nothing has ever come close to that. This has already been discussed hundreds of times. GB is only winding everybody up and as usual people are falling for it. You can't blame him really. Until an offical announcement comes from QP there is no point in discussing it any further.

There are loads of leaked tracks to be found on the net, just download them and be happy with those cos that's all we will ever have to listen to.

Exactly, Darren.  I'm sure Greg will not answer my queries, either.  When you're caught, you're caught.

I used to actually believe some of the stuff that is brought up by the so-called Queen Archivist.  I think the last thread he started, simply informing us of his greatness, was a bit revealling.

Queen had their masterpiece, A Night At The Opera.  It was pretty much down hill from there, albiet very slowly.  It took several years to go from greatness to "huh?  What's this?".  I believe Greg Brooks has run the same course.  He had his masterpiece, The Freddie 'Box Set'.  It's been pretty much down hill from there.  Why else would someone come on here and slam the fans of the band he works for?  Obviously that shows the Brian and Roger do not or never plan to visit this site.  It also shows the kind of interest that Queen has for their back catalogue.  QPL's approval ratings with the fans are similar to that of George Bush's when he was in office.  And both respond the same way!!!

I used to believe that Greg Cheney was truly concerned about what he could or could not say with Queens approval.  After the last couple of years it's obvious that Queen could care less what the Archivist says or doesn't say.  They probably don't even take his phone calls anymore.  Perhaps they've decided that they have enough dough, fine.   So if he says a Michael Jackson / Queen album exists and there are 10 tracks fully complete, well I am not interested anymore.  A guy like Michael doesn't make the same mistake (State Of Shock) twice. 

There's a better chance that Victory was a Jacksons / Bruce Springsteen collaboration.  And THAT might even make Mahler's day!

In summary,

Greg Brooks = Dick Cheney

Victory (with Queen) = The Weapons Of Mass Destruction in Iraq.

There does seem to be more stuff on the outside than on the inside of Queens archive.
Wouldn't surprise me if there's not much more than what we have, not counting DoRo's stuff, re-takes and endless remixes.

Hi Greg,

A technical question...
How is the music stored in the archive? Is it all on a multitrack tape still, or did they transfer stuff to acetates, or stereo downmixes to tape or maybe even to harddisk?

So, for example the stuff you show us at conventions, did you originally find that as a multitrack tape? I remember some years ago in Holland, you showed us a version of Put Out the Fire where the drums where much more prominent, is that how you found it or did someone remix it for the purpose of conventions?

Just curious. I think it's a shame that there's so little known about how Queen worked in the studio, and I was wondering if you could shed a light on that matter.

when Queen Productions release concerts Queen on DVD ?

When you learn better English.  Geez!!!

what kind of knowledge of English language in question. I am a Russian Queen fan and I use a translator to write in English and I asked the Queen Archivist quite normal easily accessible and understandable question. It is as close to the Queen production should and must answer the question .. Several times I wrote a letter to Brian May and he is not one of my letter. and then there is an upstart from Russia, who works as a spy in England, and furnishes us with Russian fans the news. Do not forget to say that the Queen disastrous management and success in 80, he became for them due to the fact that most groups by the time it collapsed. He also said that Freddie addict. And another said that the Queen does not represent any interest