The Queen Archivist's job is NOT being undermined?

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Freddie Mercury was gay and was not a drug addict. and you are here staged a debate on that Freddie was gay and a drug addict[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about?  That it is not the topic here - post this inane drivel elsewhere.

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[b]Thistleboy 1980 wrote: [/b]

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[b]community wrote: [/b]



Freddie Mercury was gay and was not a drug addict. and you are here staged a debate on that Freddie was gay and a drug addict

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What are you talking about?  That it is not the topic here - post this inane drivel elsewhere.




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He's right. Stop drinking meths, learn English... then come back. Theres a good boy.

[b]Thistleboy wrote:   (His comments in BOLD, mine are not)

OK Microwave, first of all, call me "out"? What the hell is that meant to be? Do you think you're watching some WWE programme or something?  Call me out? LOL.

[/b][i]I don't watch wrestling, don't even know what WWE stands for.  Good for you.[/i]

[b]Back on topic, what do you need to know? (actually, you don't need to know anything, so I'll rephrase....what would you like to know?)  Other than that I've heard the tracks and they exist in full form, with Freddie and Michael clearly heard together, I can't tell you more.  To you, there is only black and white.

[/b][i]Well, let's clear that up a bit.  So you listened to a song and could only tell if Michael and Freddie were singing on it and nothing else?  Who's black and white?  I'll tell you... it's you, you're a musical moron, obviously.
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[i]You couldn't tell if this was a demo or a completed track?  Real drums & Production?  Probably you couldn't tell the difference.  You're probably not too up to speed with The Jacksons or the Victory album, so you couldn't tell us if it were in the same vein as that, right?
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[i]See, there was this band called Toto.  They were pretty famous, and they had a guitarist named Steve Lukather, you ding dong.  He's all over Thriller and Off The Wall.  He's got a pretty easy guitar to spot.  Remember Beat It?  He's the guitar player throughout except the two-bar solo.  Also, David Paich is a very easy keyboardist to spot.  Were they on the track?  Or do you not know?[/i]

[b]You're not a thinker, you don't see things outside the box.

[/b][i]Actually, I've contributed more to this thread than you.  All you've given us is "I've heard the track, it's got Freddie and Michael and that's all I know".  Who's the thinker?  I've laid out several points, you haven't addressed anything new.[/i]

[b]I used to be like that, I can understand, but you also have to understand that you can't know everything and don't need to know everything.  If you don't believe they're there, fine - I know better.  I don't have to prove myself, and I certainly won't name names. 
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[i]Actually, it seems that you're still like that.  I like to know facts.  That's a funny thing about me.  I get curious and it makes me question things.  You should try it sometime.  You apparently are satisfied with as little information as possible.  That's fine - I know better.[/i]

[b]Yes, cause Going back to you not thinking outside the box,[/b]

[i]Actually, I think you're living in your own.[/i]

[b]I'm not actually worried about QPL, but this sort of thing could get messy for the guy who actually managed to uncover the tracks.  I know of examples before.  I'm not saying who it is or where it came from, you don't need to know - I'm merely saying it is there, in great quality and as people would hope, with FM and MJ together vocally.
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[i]Blah blah blah.  So was Jeff Porcarro playing drums?  Or do you even know who that is?  He's got a pretty distinct style of playing the hi-hat.[/i]

[b]In order to know these things you have to know people in the know.  You have to get out there and widen your circle of friends.  I mean real friends, not cyber chat with somebody you''re never actually going to know.  And in order to do that, you have to peel yourself away from your spunk stained laptop and actually go out.  It's called socialising and getting a life.  I doubt you'd understand, Microwave.

[/b][i]Really, well I've shared the stage with Steve Lukather before.  Have you?  Mr. people-in-the-know?  You want to verify it?  Find out who played the organ at Colin Hay's wedding in Malibu California.  It's a whos-who list of names from the L.A. scene.  Babko, Luke, Jimmy Earl, Cleto Escobar III, Luis Conte, Tris Imboden, Bernie Dresel, Lee Thornburg, and me.  Who's your circle, smarty pants? 

Bottom line, you're full of shit.  So don't name names, don't give us anything that we can use to verify your bullshit story.

If you have any other worthless crap you wanna spew, go right ahead.  I'll get you some Greg Brooks pom-poms.  You're a faker and have estinguished all credibility that I thought you had.  Actually, I thought you were a pretty rationale member of the forum, until you entered this thread.  Too bad.  "I would rather wait outside the Van for Treasure Moment."[/i]

Microwave, I'll just post straight in instead of copying and pasting that huge rant you just posted, it only serves to clog up the forum.  You have just spouted one load of nonsense there and assumed too much by guessing I don't know what the fuck you're on about (and actually do, btw - not all of it, but the majority).  Much of the rant actually had no relevance whatsoever to the actual topic.  So you have spoken more on this forum?  I'm pleased for you that you have the time to do that, but it still doesn't mean that what you are saying is useful.  The point of my response is that you said the tracks don't exist, yet I know they do - you were the one who said I was bullshitting, faking and started belittling anything I had to say before you actually went out your way to dig up facts for yourself.  You simply cannot do that mate, it's unnacceptable - all you had to say originally was that  it is your belief that I may have heard what I [i]think[/i] was real, but you think that it may have been doctored because....and then put all that technical jargon and musical history forward to qualify your statement.  Instead, you made a petty smart-arsed comment and made out I was talking shit.  So don't question my rationality - it's you who who's tring to cause the problem here.  You are too cynical and try to make cutting comments to bring people down instead of just having a reasonable debate, which is the whole point of this forum.  What kind of response did you expect to get?  I couldn't care less who you've shared a stage with mate, really, it just appears that the only time you have in your life is spent in here trying to antagonise people - and you make a good job of it as you are the common denomenator in a lot of  arguments around here. Admittedly, I got caught up in that, but  I would rather get on with you than argue pointlessly against you and hope that this is just a blip in our queenzone relationship.  This is the last I'm going to say on the matter - to you, at least, to avoid any unnecessary animosity.  By this, I am trying to extend the olive branch and hope we can get along.  You have your opinion, I have what I regard as fact - lets agree to disagree, please.  [img=/images/smiley/msn/thumbs_up.gif][/img]

Yes, Thistleboy, I think this is the last you should post on this thread.

Once again, in your ramble, you have failed to address EVERY point about the song.  As I suspected, you cannot.  You have no idea what a Lukather rhythm sounds like, let alone the backbeat of Jeff Porcarro.  I'm sure you couldn't recognize Randy Jackson's bass playing either.  You know NOTHING about the song.  My guess is somebody played you some warped up remix of two different songs, one by Freddie and one by Michael.  You, having no musical knowledge, did not recognize this and instead thought  "WOW!  This must be the secret song."

Tell you what, I'll mix up the song FireFlies by Owl City and add the WWRY A Cappella Freddie.  We'll tell everybody that we had an exclusive listening party but we can't name names or give any further info...  except the FACT that we know that the Queen + Owl City track exists!!! We have heard it!!!

I don't think I told microwave this was my last post on the thread, did I? I'm sure I told him that it was my last reply to him on the matter, to avoid animosity.  Was that not the case?  Why does he just make assumptions about people and try to goad them into pointless arguments?  Even if I had have given him all the info that he longs for, he would just have argued anyway.  Everyone can see I tried with him, if ever the term troll was apt for someone, he's yer man. He's just brought this whole thing down to a childish level like he does with every other discussion he takes part in here, this topic is now completely wasted.  Well done "deity" Microwave, yet another accomplishment here on QZ.

Still not going to address the real issue, eh?

How many verses were there? 
Was it Verse-Chorus-Verse-Chorus-Bridge-Chorus? 
What key is it in?

These are questions you WON'T answer because if it finally sees the light of day, we'll know you were quite full of it.

You're a child, who wants to muck up this thread with psychobabble instead of addressing what you say you've heard.  Why don't you take your ball (that you don't want anyone playing with) and go find a private court to play on?

By the way, I'm rocking out right now.  Freddie singing "Everybody Wang Chung tonight" puts chills in my spine.  You guys should really hear this track.  Unfortunately I can't say anything more!!!

At the end of the day, it's way too easy to write 'I've heard it and I can confirm it exists', and that can easily be true, and can easily be false. Same for, say, claiming to have seen Brian taking off his wig or Rog confirming PR was Freddie's favourite singer.

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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]

At the end of the day, it's way too easy to write 'I've heard it and I can confirm it exists', and that can easily be true, and can easily be false. Same for, say, claiming to have seen Brian taking off his wig or Rog confirming PR was Freddie's favourite singer.
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I can see where you're coming from, but the questions I was expecting to hear back was who had it, how he/she got it and who it came from  - that's why I said I couldn't say more.  In essence, it would have been more difficult to say more, that is correct.  If I was thinking that the response would have been "who played on it,  is it a demo, is it full or partial and how many choruses were on it?", I could have elaborated to the best of my ability, considering I heard both tracks just once and it was around eight years ago. 

The reason I hadn't answered microwave's questions right away was that he resorted to crying bullshit and namecalling instead of just asking straight out the things he thought he had to know.  I'm not being childish (although it could be said that his attempts at flaring our argument with petty, smart-arsed remarks is, however), I'm just fed up with that guy's attitude - why should I answer to him?  If the conversation was more polite and rational from his end, fair enough.  I am open to debate, that's the point in the forum, but not to demands.  I don't know who he thinks he is, but  he can go take a fuck to himself if he's going to continue to talk to me the way he has been.  There's no need for it whatsoever.

For those who are interested in the best of what I can recall from hearing the track (as I say, it was eight years ago and played once, I don't know how I'm expected to remember every little detail) one version sounded experimental - there were the usual ad-libs and fluffed notes, the other sounded a bit more polished, but not in similar vein as one would expect from the rest of the victory album, if indeed it was intended for use then (and yes, Microwave, I'm familiar with the album, the tracks and the sound - I have the thing and am an MJ collector as well as a Queen collector).  I don't think that any of them were finished versions, one had a very rough feel and was more of a jam of a few minutes, the other was more structured but definitely not what you'd expect to be a final product (although it doesn't cut out and is a bit longer).  It could have been a demo, but I'm no expert.

There is something Microwave has been getting at, and that's the allegation that what I heard was some sort of weird mix - but how the hell the potential bootlegger/ faker or whatever managed to get Freddie and MJ singing the same song, bouncing off one another and in similar chord and tempo is anyone's guess.  In order for them to mix it up would mean they would have to have recorded the same song at different times - and in a similar vein - for them to be able to have merged the tracks together. 

Now how likely is [i]that[/i]?

It doesn't matter what I say or how I describe what I heard, there are still going to be people who do not believe it.  Everyone will still have their own opinions on it and they will continue to have the same discussion over and over again.  Even if the tracks do get released, in full or sampled form, people will still look back to this discussion and doubt that it is the same track I believe I heard.  Geez, folk are even still saying the the state of shock and more to life than this demos are fake.

And some food for thought - if they do get released, who says that it won't just be some QPL mix of shit merged together to form what sounds like a track just to shut us all up? (I believe some of that Freddie box set is, btw).

Thistleboy 1980 = Greg Brooks on the windup (not that different to "Queen Archivist" then).
An Extremely Nice Chap = Greg Brooks using QueenZone to gather info.

Just in case anyone was wondering.

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[b]Negative Creep wrote: [/b]

Thistleboy 1980 = Greg Brooks on the windup (not that different to "Queen Archivist" then).
An Extremely Nice Chap = Greg Brooks using QueenZone to gather info incognito.[/QUOTE]
LMFAO.  I can say in all honesty I'm not GB.  I wish I had his job, though.  Nor am I here on the windup!  Far from it, I just wanted to say that I thought the tracks in question were in the archives because I had heard them.  Maybe I'm wrong, but maybe I'm right - that's what happens in debates, but I'm not trying to wind anyone up.  I wish I had the tracks myself, this would have been settled one way or another.

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[b]Negative Creep wrote: [/b]

Thistleboy 1980 = Greg Brooks on the windup (not that different to "Queen Archivist" then).
An Extremely Nice Chap = Greg Brooks using QueenZone to gather info.

Just in case anyone was wondering.[/QUOTE]

Greg Brooks = All mouth & very little info
Thistleboy 1980 = More info on Victory than I ever expected to get

Why would everyone who knows something that you don't be a windup?

[QUOTE]I don't think that any of them were finished versions, one had a very rough feel and was more of a jam of a few minutes, the other was more structured but definitely not what you'd expect to be a final product (although it doesn't cut out and is a bit longer).  It could have been a demo, but I'm no expert.[/QUOTE]

Ok.  Finally, we may be getting somewhere.

But now I'm even more confused.  So if they were rough mixes, demo sounding, and not very structured, why would you and Greg be insisting that this is some WONDERFUL PRODUCT?  I have the Freddie Box Set that John Stuart and Greg Brooks worked on.  I don't keep going back and listen to "Horns Of Doom" and think I've got gold here.   How many of you have "Message To Queen Fan Club" in their Freddie top ten?

Freddie singing de-do-de-do because the words aren't worked out is not something the Queen mass is going to go crazy over.  This is just an overhyped demo to see if we can spark some interest in the box sets again.  And no one, repeat NO ONE will be allowed to doctor that track now.   Not Queen, not The Queen, and not Queen Latifah.  Any kind of work on that track now will require approval of The Jackson Estate.  That's not gonna happen.  Paul McCartney couldn't get a raise for 15 years and he was Michael's friend!!!!!

Jimi Hendrix supposedly has nearly 300 unfinished demos.  Jimi Hendrix was/is/and will always be in more demand than Queen.  So why hasn't someone capitalized on that?  It's taken 35 years to get ONE track out.

nobody said the track(s) was special, but the find IS exciting because it finally brings an end to the "is it or isn't it ?"discussion.  Well, obviously it hasn't for some, but you get the general idea - at least we know it's there in some form.

I have been here for lots of years and microwave is one of those who talks a lot but has nothing to say... like he wants to get his thread count up because it is all he has in his life.


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